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Will we be able to pick one up cheap at a future surplus auction? Will we last until 2013?


Humvee Era End Nears; DOD to Replace Fleet With New Vehicle
Tuesday, September 30, 2008


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QUANTICO, Va. — The Pentagon is inching closer to replacing the Humvee — once called the "jeep on steroids" and currently the vehicular backbone of U.S. military operations in Iraq — with the latest lightweight tactical vehicle under development.

The Defense Department next month is expected to select at least three of the seven competing teams to advance to the next phase of a multibillion-dollar competition to build a lighter, more agile tactical vehicle that can withstand roadside bombs and explosive devices.

Like the mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles, or MRAPs, urgently requested by the Pentagon more than a year ago, the lightweight vehicles will be equipped with V-shaped hulls to protect soldiers from the latest urban threats, while still providing maneuverability and speed.

Among the teams competing for a stake in the deal while mingling with military officials here Tuesday at a Marine Corps conference were: Northrop Grumman Corp. and partner Oshkosh Corp.; the U.S. subsidiary of BAE Systems PLC and its teammate Navistar International Corp.; General Dynamics Corp. and Humvee maker AM General; and Lockheed Martin Corp. and Armor Holdings.

The vehicles will feature technology to absorb shocks from blasts, travel 90 miles per hour, and be easier to transport into and out of battle zones compared with the heavier MRAPs. While no weight requirement has been set by the services, the vehicles must be light enough for a C-130J aircraft to transport two of them, according to industry officials.

Dan Goure, a defense analyst at the Lexington Institute, said the U.S. military could benefit from the next generation of tactical vehicles, but he questioned whether the services will be able to properly maintain an expanded fleet that already includes MRAPs, Humvees, armored Humvees and more.

The challenge for companies has been meeting all of the government's requirements for the new vehicles, while keeping in mind the weight of armor, cargo and personnel that will be needed to complete various missions.

"The requirements have driven a lot of the technological innovation," said Kathryn Hasse, director of tactical wheeled vehicles for Lockheed Martin Corp. "It's been a big technical challenge."

But such demands, companies say, will vastly improve upon the current Humvee in offering additional protection and increased capability.

"The Humvee was a good vehicle, but it wasn't designed for the missions needed today," said Kenneth Juergens, Oshkosh program director.

Craig MacNab, a spokesman for AM General, disagreed.

"The Humvees are going to be around for decades ... there are some missions that will require that vehicle," he said. "It's not as easy as it looks."

Oshkosh and Northrop claim their offering will provide the added advantage of being able to easily upgrade the vehicles as technology continues to evolve.

The deals expected to be awarded in October to three teams will get the clock started for another 27-month period, where the remaining competitors will have to undergo a testing phase. The Pentagon will then award another set of contracts to two contractors. It's unclear whether the government will award a final contract to a single company or use multiple vendors.

Each team is being asked to build a family that will include an infantry vehicle, a general purpose vehicle and a utility vehicle to support various Army and Marine Corps missions.

The services are expected to order 65,000 vehicles, which will not enter initial production until 2013.
 

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''lighter more agile,that can withstand roadside bombs''.......heavy/faster is what we will probably endup with.........
 

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If you don't get rid of the old ones, you can't spend tax dollars on new ones.
Sure they can, They will get the new ones and raise our taxes for the up keep on the old ones they aren't using anymore....
 

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Wait, I just read in the Stars and Stripes that the DOD is just now testing the second generation HUMVEE made by GM. I know that Ford, Dodge, International, Lockheed Martin, and several other companies has already turned in their prototype to test. Even Polaris is making a ATV like the ranger made for the military















And of course the new models of MRAP's and ASV's. We currently have about five different models of the MRAP's and heard of a few new models are coming out soon.
 

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I'm pretty sure any humvees they take out of service will get chopped and sold as scrap metal, they usually don't let those sorts of things out into the civilian world, they even chop the jeeps.
 

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Folks, to be honest, I'm really not sure about the humvee.
It sucks gas like mad, and everything about it's build screams bullet magnet. All it's lines are at right angles and offer no deflection for incoming fire, and the boys in the middle east have had to heavily modify them, even juryrigging parts on to them to try to make them safer. The only thing recommendable by them are the puncture resistant, reflatable tires.
 

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I'm pretty sure any humvees they take out of service will get chopped and sold as scrap metal, they usually don't let those sorts of things out into the civilian world, they even chop the jeeps.
Guess that '44 Ford MB I had wasn't really a military Jeep then huh?
They won't chop them they will and already do inventory them into auction and a good number of them will remain in M.E. as well as get farmed out to other "friendly" nations.
 

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As much as I like the HMMWV, they are bullet magnets alright. Nothing but a machine welded aluminum pop can. Don't expect to get one surplus, they will be sold off to other military's first. I'm just glad they are keeping the CROWS system. The new ones take quite a blast, and crew can survive VBIEDs usually too.



 

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every now and then you will hear about a surplus sale of vehicles at various camps and bases, that they are pratically giving the Humvee's away. around $2000 a truck was the last I heard they were going for. couple years ago I was offered a military spec Blazer or CUCV. I almost bought it, and now I wish I did, the military even did a overhaul on the engine replacing alot of worn out parts just so they could have it sold.
 

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We've gotten some milsurp vehicles where I work and they are sh!t. If a milsurp Hummer is anything like the two Chevy's we got, you could almost buy a new one for all the things we had to fix on them. The upside is, once they were fixed, those 2 Chevy's are beasts. Especially the crew cab diesel. :)
 

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Guess that '44 Ford MB I had wasn't really a military Jeep then huh?
They won't chop them they will and already do inventory them into auction and a good number of them will remain in M.E. as well as get farmed out to other "friendly" nations.
Maybe it was decommissioned a long time ago. I was looking around at surplus auctions and you can get things like transport trucks but most of the jeeps and humvees are required to be destroyed and then are only good for scrap metal
 

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They are selling off the reconditioned Humvees to places like Iraq. We may get to see them again in the future. About chopping them up, that has been the procedure for ones sold at auction. You get it in three pieces sometimes they are from the same vehicle. this has been the case at the Fort Hood auction in the past. I never have enough money to play in that game.
 

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I was at a can point in Camp Douglas WY back in the 90's. They had lined the jeeps up in a row and drove over them with a D-7 Cat. Some of them at less than 100 actual miles on them. Thespent all the money to put 6 point roll cages in them with seat belts and side screens for nothing. What a waste. Your government in action.
 

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We've gotten some milsurp vehicles where I work and they are sh!t. If a milsurp Hummer is anything like the two Chevy's we got, you could almost buy a new one for all the things we had to fix on them. The upside is, once they were fixed, those 2 Chevy's are beasts. Especially the crew cab diesel. :)
Want a good laugh? I looked at a military humvee surplus last year,,, they CAN NOT be made street legal, dont meet the dot safety requirements and DOT will not inspect and license them after modification. I almost had to empty my pants out after I found that out.
 
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