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What happens when every major country defaults on loans? What if China and the US tank financially, and Russia with it's wobbly economy crumbles.

CHINA IS FACING A MASSIVE DEFAULT - CREDIT AGENCIES ARE COVERING TO HIDE THE FACTS

This short video covers a lot of ground in just a few minutes. China is going to default 10 times harder than the USA did in 2008!

Make sure that you have seeds for crops for 2023. Try to get ahead of your debts. This will be a global depression and it could start before Christmas 2022.

 

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China will be the first to recover, just as they were after 2008.
Which country will tell China "I will not buy from your manufacturing"?
Nobody did after western world 2008 bank profit bailout scam.

Well... US might not.
As USD value may make its final dive to zero.
Soon as US debt gets called by those wanting to buy from China.
Ba da boom ba da bing.

Europe is being led over the cliff.
6 - 8 weeks after Euro goes dirt napping.
USD will fall out of that basket.

Petroleum availability may govern tactical capability.
No, not of US adversaries.
Of itself.
Funny how Joe Dementia Biden is opening oil fields now.
Either gas price bribing for votes, or military mobility if above vid is viable.
 

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On one hand the world seems to be descending into authoritarian fascisim. Never have so many despots controlled so many without any meaningful opposition. Autocratic bullies from asia to the americas, some threatening nuclear warfare, rule with impunity.

But, why would china attack their #1 customer and source of technology to steal? Russia clearly can't fight their way out of a vodka bottle, though they appear expert in atrocities. China might invade Tiawan, in which case we have a big problem if Tiawan blows the chip factories as they said they will. I doubt the US govt will respond under the current regime. Putin could light the fuse in Ukraine with nukes or a melt down. Europe could drag us into another war on the continent.

Sooner or later one of these slimebags posing as leaders is going to light their firecrackers. Even without that the planet is dying. Famine is being narrowly averted, but for how long? The western US is facing climate disaster as is China and Europe. Great nations are on the rails. The oceans are nearly depleated. Each year is exponentially worse than the last weather wise, and economically for many. In much of the world wild food/animals are nearing extinction, far below any ability to sustain as a food supply. People can't pay their bills. The oceans are rising.

We told the world back in the 70's with the first gas crisis that by 2040 the ecosystems would begin to fail. Well boys and girls (and non-binary, trans, questioning, furries, lizard people, et al) it's going down. The S is Hitting the Fan. It already has for about half the world's population. And unless we stop the warring and political infighting and the unrestrained greed of the oligarchy, the planet is doomed. I am thankful my wife and I chose not to bring children into this world.

Sorry for being so pessimistic on a nice Saturday.
 

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Yes and no. If the world economy collapses then it very likely will lead to global conflict, however it obviously won't be like "damn the economy is crap time to start a nuclear war" but rather unrest will exponentially grow until eventually conflicts break out and eventually it turns global and the major powers rush in and start WWIII.
 

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I don't think China gains through war. The U.S. does, but it has to be limited.

Meanwhile, the effects of global warming and limits to growth kick in, coupled with black swans like pandemics and invasions.
I think China is warming up rapidly to the idea they may like war. First they may have to tangle with their economy tanking, but maybe that will be the trigger to keep unrest at bay.
 

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I think China is warming up rapidly to the idea they may like war. First they may have to tangle with their economy tanking, but maybe that will be the trigger to keep unrest at bay.
I think China is experiencing similar as the other newly industrialized countries, i.e., too much credit. That's why they have to build more real estate that won't be used.

Meanwhile, the U.S., like the ones which industrialized earlier, are experiencing trade deficits coupled with soaring debt, which means more credit that has to be made. That's why the U.S. started experiencing weak economic growth during the early 1960s, chronic trade deficits from the early 1970s onward, and rising debts across the board since the early 1980s.

What's keeping the U.S. afloat is ironically what caused those three problems: the use of the dollar as a reserve currency. That made the dollar more expensive, which also meant that U.S. products became more expensive and imports cheaper. This also explains why U.S. companies began outsourcing during the 1980s and more workers moving to service industries. Not surprisingly, Japan began to experience similar, and so did the tiger economies and even China, where I read more than a decade ago that 60 pct of their manufacturing is assembly as they also outsourced to poorer countries with cheap labor.

In order to make sure that almost everyone continues to use that dollar, which was also propped up through petrodollar recycling, the U.S. had to build over 800 military installations and bases worldwide with a military budget that is greater than that of the other military powers combined (which is doable if the currency you use to pay for that is needed by everyone else) to bully, invade, or coerce weaker countries.

The problem is that that ponzi scheme has been unravelling. More countries are engaged in bilateral trade with each other and use various currencies, planning to use special drawing rights using a basket of currencies instead of just the dollar, and forcing economic blocs. This also explains why during the current war even countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia are no longer listening to the U.S. and want to continue trade with Russia and others.

Given that, China gains nothing from war, but war is critical for the U.S. in order to keep that dollar propped up and to justify very high levels of military spending.
 

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What happens when every major country defaults on loans?
If every major defaults, does that not put every country at zero? Zero as a good thing. Zero loans. Zero payments. Zero global bankers moving bits and bytes across the street to another banker and magically accumulating mansions, jets, yachts, sex slaves, paid off politicos, etc. Like in the Bible when there is no usury in the market. A great reset that is good.
 

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I watched the video and agree, China is in a lot of trouble. If they sell off their U.S. treasury holdings of $1 trillion, that will cause real pain for us. The Fed will quickly pivot from QT to QE once again, fueling inflation even more.

I don't agree that China's financial problems are going to cause a war. Even though it's only about 90 miles across the Taiwan Strait, invading Taiwan is no easy task. It's mountainous and is heavily fortified. Many Chinese soldiers would die.
 
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On one hand the world seems to be descending into authoritarian fascisim. Never have so many despots controlled so many without any meaningful opposition. Autocratic bullies from asia to the americas, some threatening nuclear warfare, rule with impunity.

But, why would china attack their #1 customer and source of technology to steal? Russia clearly can't fight their way out of a vodka bottle, though they appear expert in atrocities. China might invade Tiawan, in which case we have a big problem if Tiawan blows the chip factories as they said they will. I doubt the US govt will respond under the current regime. Putin could light the fuse in Ukraine with nukes or a melt down. Europe could drag us into another war on the continent.

Sooner or later one of these slimebags posing as leaders is going to light their firecrackers. Even without that the planet is dying. Famine is being narrowly averted, but for how long? The western US is facing climate disaster as is China and Europe. Great nations are on the rails. The oceans are nearly depleated. Each year is exponentially worse than the last weather wise, and economically for many. In much of the world wild food/animals are nearing extinction, far below any ability to sustain as a food supply. People can't pay their bills. The oceans are rising.

We told the world back in the 70's with the first gas crisis that by 2040 the ecosystems would begin to fail. Well boys and girls (and non-binary, trans, questioning, furries, lizard people, et al) it's going down. The S is Hitting the Fan. It already has for about half the world's population. And unless we stop the warring and political infighting and the unrestrained greed of the oligarchy, the planet is doomed. I am thankful my wife and I chose not to bring children into this world.

Sorry for being so pessimistic on a nice Saturday.
I wouldn’t say pessimistic. You’re just stating your opinion and I imagine a lot of folks feel the same
 

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If every major defaults, does that not put every country at zero? Zero as a good thing. Zero loans. Zero payments. Zero global bankers moving bits and bytes across the street to another banker and magically accumulating mansions, jets, yachts, sex slaves, paid off politicos, etc. Like in the Bible when there is no usury in the market. A great reset that is good.
You think the rich and powerful are going to just watch their empires and fortunes crumble with out a fight? I sure don't.

Be nice to just let sleeping monsters lay but historically speaking that's not what those in power do.
 

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...Even though it's only about 90 miles across the Taiwan Strait, invading Taiwan is no easy task. It's mountainous and is heavily fortified. Many Chinese soldiers would die.
China doesn't value human life...
 

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CP had some useful stuff on his channel, but I stopped watching him a year or so ago. He seems to be in it for the money and maybe a hobby. Anyone that gives up a defensible place outside of town to go back into SoCal population densities is questionable in my mind. Regarding the X number of days, these guys have a little to say about that:


 

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The 800lb gorilla in the room is Iran and Israel. Iran is seething at the bit to throw a nuke at Israel. They get closer every day to reaching that capability, if they haven't already.
... and so what if they do drop one.
Seems as though it would not equal tnt equivalent dropped by Israel since they moved in.
What comes around goes around.
US military will collapse when USD does.
The East End of the Med is going to look rather disheveled shortly thereafter.
Quite inevitable I'd say.
 
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