No not in its current form! There is no more room left for compromise!

 

If you factor in all the fundamental realites, from lost industries, ever increasing welfare rolls (and associated mentality), currency woes including our impending loss of reserve currency status, eventual citizenship and voting rights coming to millions of largely anti-American foreigners, a rapidly strengthening police state, and both a citizenry and political leadership that flat-out refuses to even acknowledge these issues ( much less address them)......then , I'll say NO.
America has long since been bought and sold (down the river), and though we'll no doubt hear irrationally optimistic claims that, "sure,we can turn things around, all we gotta do is......(insert hypothetical,pie-in-the-sky nonsense that has no chance of happening)...."
The economically and militarily strong and independent USA that we've known our whole lives, is rapidly decaying, and everything that would need to be done to change this, has ZERO chance of ever being implemented.

 

Demographics is destiny (see above post by MIL-DOT who posted as I was writing this). America will get worse.

Anything after that is pure speculation since it relies on predicting what a small number of people will do-- who will step up to 'fix' the problems: a modern day Hitler, Washington, Mao, or a Lincoln? Or worse, another Jimmy Carter.

 

who will step up to 'fix' the problems: a modern day Hitler, Washington, Mao, or a Lincoln? Or worse, another Jimmy Carter.

Unfortunately a modern day Jimmy Carter stepped up to fix the problems and he is in his second term.

 

I don't know. I'm speaking as a foreigner here but I really hope America does come back. America was once a great nation and I'd like to see her rise again. But I have serious doubts. And honestly, the possibility of a complete collapse south of my border is the biggest reason I prep. Not global pandemics or CMEs, the collapse of the US is the most terrifying by far - because we're watching it happen in slow motion right now.

 

That's an excellent perspective. :thumb:

 

No. We won't recover until we've had a collapse of one sort or another, or, a combination. The question remains, what will we rebuild? We are definitely, and rapidly, headed towards a Totalitarian Dictatorship. Putin say's there's going to be an American civil war.

We see the BRICS nations preparing for this by buying gold, trying to set up an alternative global currency. We also see our own country preparing for this by the drastic militarization of our police, 2 billion rounds of bullets, 7,000 AR-15's, 2,700 armored vehicles for DHS. TSA, The Patriot ACT, NDAA, DOD document 3025, etc. If our own govt. and other world leaders are preparing for a American collapse, we sure better follow suit and do so to.

 

Mogli, you forgot to mention the FEMA camps. Hopefully they will put all of us in the same one and not split us up.

 

No. The only dim hope of recovery won't even be possible until people stop voting for Democrats and Republicans. It's probably too late anyway.

 

History Is Cyclic Plus Basic Human Nature

History shows that nations are born, grow, peak, decay, then collapse. We as a nation probably reached our "best" stage around the year 1900. Since then it has been a slow downhill slide. Non avoidable IMHO. Very sad.

Basic human nature. Greed, power, control; the seven deadly sins. Too many people vote and for their own $self interest$ and not for the needs of the nation. We have had our walk in the sun. HB of CJ (old coot)

 

Never. America as we knew it is gone forever. The changes we have seen in the last five years were changes that would normally take twenty years to happen. The USA is on the fast track to **** creek. We're picking up speed too.

 

Rome, the British Empire, the Soviet Union all collapsed. And all after a slow, steady decline.

And like them, I see us going with a wimper, not a bang.

Balkanization? Maybe.

I just hope I dont live too see it. But the way things are being done right now, I dont see any other outcome.

 

Rome, the British Empire, the Soviet Union all collapsed. And all after a slow, steady decline.

And like them, I see us going with a wimper, not a bang.

Balkanization? Maybe.

I just hope I dont live too see it. But the way things are being done right now, I dont see any other outcome.

I would argue that old-schoolers will be precisely what will be required to rebuild if a collapse occurs. The advice and guidance of those who knew the good America before all of this nonsense got out of control will be critical to those who don't have a reference point to use as a compass.

Hang in there, Marine.

 

There will have to be a reset and the "good guys" will have to come out on top. There needs to be a fundamental shift in the whole populace. People need to be ashamed to be on assistance again. The moral decay needs to be rooted out and dispatched. The American males should be MEN instead of this milque toast, nancyboy, metro pansy that they are today. The American woman should strive to be a LADY instead of the "liberated equal" to her counterpart.

In the immortal words of Dave Williams, "Let the bodies hit the floor".

 

Before we recover, we are going g to see a major collapse of some sort. After that, not american union, after that, we might become a republic again but it will be different.

V

 

Will it recover ? Yes I believe so. Will it ever be like the America I grew up with ? no never.
I just hope whatever is next is good to my grandchildren.

 

Okay, go ahead and hammer me!

IT AIN'T OVER till IT'S OVER AND I AIN'T LISTENING TO NO FAT LADY SINGING!!!!!!!

 

I like your attitude. I hope there are enough like you to make a difference. :thumb:

 

So how long do YOU guys think america has until a collapse? I give it under 20 years

 

I'd say under 20 years is a very safe bet. The biggest threat, the one most likely to result in something that manifests very rapidly, is financial in nature, and we've been standing on the brink for a few years now.
We're already being gently pushed aside as the global reserve currency, and much of the world has been balking at buying more of our debt, for some time now.
As I've said before, a full blown collapse can make it difficult for the PTB to keep control, but the THREAT of collapse can be used very effectively, which is why I believe it's likely that some semi-orderly transition(s) will take place prior to a full blown collapse.
I think "they" are going to present us with some alternative, that will require other "concessions" ( of the highly unconstitutional variety), but history has shown the majority will only see the little picture, and go along with virtually anything that promises to keep the electricty on and the grocery stores open.

 

There's no hope that America will ever be what it was. There are two reasons why were the greatest country: the people and the natural resources that we have. The resources are still here, but the people of this country have degenerated. We used to be number 1 in education and we used to have a great work ethic. Now, we're near the bottom in education, and a lot of people are too lazy to work and expect handouts. We're number 1 in obesity, imprisonment, drug use, and a lot more stuff. Now, we have a government that spies on us, lies to us and taxes us to death. We have a media, that tells us nothing. We have a bunch of men in this country, that are sissies.

Our only hope is oil, but we're too stupid to take full advantage of it and we import a bunch from countries who want to kill us.

I don't see how we could recover. The future does not look good for us.

 

I think change is coming. Not Mad Max, just an upset, then a shift, then an acclimation to the new normal. I believe the result of all this is that the unsustainable standards of living we have currently become accustom to, will change for the worse. We'll still have what we need to survive, but your wife driving her H2 Hummer 25 miles to get her mani-pedi done will be a fond memory. It's already happening. The only constant in life is change.

 

No.
20 years ago someone sent me a pamplet "THE COMING CONFICT BETWEEN THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS" . It ouutlined everything thtat has already happened in the last 12 years or so. It was not a liberal or a conservative right up, it was a prepping primer and I was not ready for the message I tossed it aside in dsbelief. the plan is in place, we are done, there is no more future.

 

America is young by the standards of other nations. The things that made us great and is being discarded before our very eyes. We haven't always been the biggest and best. After WW2 we ran the table economically because we were the last nation that wasn't touched after the ravishes of the war.

To fully understand "America" watch this video and see why we have fallen:

 

No. I don't believe we will recover. I think we are past the point of no return, and those who do not know how to grow food, shoot food, preserve food, and fight to keep their food are seriously screwed.

 

Thats how it got built the first time !

I think we are in big trouble. I think we can turn it around however I think it's going to take a massive disaster or something very bad to wake the low information voters up. Currently most of them think Obama is not the problem, they see him as trying to change the situation. They get their information from sound bites and facebook. Until they learn how the real world works thinks will get worse.

I'm starting to some hair growing on thechest of some members of the legislature.

No recovery will not happen do to bad economic policies, Quantative Easing, high fuel costs $107 a 42 gallon barrel maybe at $60 per barrel but not $107, high unemployment above 4%, $17 trillion dollar debt, unsustainable govt handouts such as social security= Medicare= Medicaid= unemployment=t Land I policies= welfare EBT= Section 8 housing= free cell phones= medical coupons= govt pensions for city county state federal employees and other" I am entitled hand outs" not mentioned, Weak US dollar, Illegal Immigrants, 42 million on Welfare, would be a few things that come to mind.
To sum it up.. not enough taxes being paid in and to much being paid out.

Our founding fathers also started out in debt and had to deal with british sympathisers during and after the start.

Recover from what? I could easily see the US muddling along with changes driven by technology and shifting demographics. Can it still be around 20 years from now? Seems likely based on history.

It is a pretty great time to be alive and a US citizen right now. The degree of material goods and types of medical care is simply Science Fiction to some of us older folks.

You can't say times are bad when the problems most people face is too much food and what form of entertainment to pick. That and what smart phone is the best.

Exactly, we ain't even begun the long slide that COULD be ahead. But do we need to start now? YES Can we wait until 2014 or even 2016 ? HELL NO

If that ever happens IT WONT BE THE USA WE REMEMBER!!!!

The NWO will fully be in effect! (Its been Obama's plan since day 0)

Absolutely correct. Again we can't wait until another election or even another day.

Many here keep saying the exact same thing: no we can't stop it. But they are phrasing it as "no, we can't recover". Those are two completely different topics.

And we need to do the first and not wait for the second.

The whole thing could come unraveled, but while things are good, I would hate to see a "recovery" to a period when things are real bad. There has never been a Utopian time where the world was peaceful, everyone had all they needed and the lion laid down with the lamb.

The young feller that created the thread started with a supposition that things are bad. I suppose he bases this on the belief that at some point in the past was a Golden Era, that the US has fallen from this era. Thus a need to recover. The problem is the idea is more fiction than reality.

So no, I do not see a Recovery from the present time. I just see changes. Some good and some bad. Hopefully no disastrous changes though such are always possible. I just wish they would hurry up with the cure to aging.

I would agree except we need to recover from the constitutional regresses of the last 20+ years.

And the 4th branch, the watcher/media, is completely in bed with the Communists and used to steer public opinion rather than keep the power hungry politicians/bankers/corporations, in check.

We've had a coup! No doubt about it! :xeye:

Its been pretty much a bloodless one ( on this side of the world anyway ). I figure a coup can be recouped and if we start standing up and supporting the spirit ( wacko birds ) in the legislature we can do it even with less violence than the done it to begin with.

 

I think we are in big trouble. I think we can turn it around however I think it's going to take a massive disaster or something very bad to wake the low information voters up. Currently most of them think Obama is not the problem, they see him as trying to change the situation. They get their information from sound bites and facebook. Until they learn how the real world works thinks will get worse.

 

America may recover or can recover if it deals with the following:
[] Socialism : dismantle the socialist system;
[] Usury : ban usury or at the least, cease enforcing contracts for usury in American courts;
[] Taxation : cease penalizing producers and rewarding non-producers;
[] Conflict of interest : disenfranchise recipients of public funds;
[] Abuse by democracy : Restore the dominance of the republican form of government;
[] Bureaucracy : eliminate limited liability and repeal all regulatory legislation;
[] Money : eliminate the restriction of gold / silver coin, and add recognition for private promissory notes as a medium of exchange enforceable by law.

In addition, void the public debt for fraud, which also voids the Federal Reserve notes, collapse FICA / Social Security (“Tax them and bribe me” scam), reduce the Federal budget by 98% or more, and return government to “securing rights,” and only governing those who consent - knowingly, willingly and intentionally.

{Pragmatic flag on - the probability of any elected government to reform itself is practically nil. Thus one can expect a total collapse before any meaningful change. The question boils down to : Will Americans shuck off 80 years of propaganda and socialist indoctrination? If no, then what arises from the ashes will be a totalitarian police state without any recourse or remedy for the individual serf. If yes, then America may yet restore its unique republican form of government.}

 

America may recover or can recover if it deals with the following:
[] Socialism : dismantle the socialist system;
[] Usury : ban usury or at the least, cease enforcing contracts for usury in American courts;
[] Taxation : cease penalizing producers and rewarding non-producers;
[] Conflict of interest : disenfranchise recipients of public funds;
[] Abuse by democracy : Restore the dominance of the republican form of government;
[] Bureaucracy : eliminate limited liability and repeal all regulatory legislation;
[] Money : eliminate the restriction of gold / silver coin, and add recognition for private promissory notes as a medium of exchange enforceable by law........

LOL,the above post^ did exactly what I said was gonna happen........

...... though we'll no doubt hear irrationally optimistic claims that, "sure,we can turn things around, all we gotta do is......(insert hypothetical,pie-in-the-sky nonsense that has no chance of happening)....".

 

Depends on how the die-off happens, and who lives through it. Actual survivalists have a definite edge in that one, unless .gov decides to exterminate 'em....

 

No recovery will not happen do to bad economic policies, Quantative Easing, high fuel costs $107 a 42 gallon barrel maybe at $60 per barrel but not $107, high unemployment above 4%, $17 trillion dollar debt, unsustainable govt handouts such as social security= Medicare= Medicaid= unemployment=t Land I policies= welfare EBT= Section 8 housing= free cell phones= medical coupons= govt pensions for city county state federal employees and other" I am entitled hand outs" not mentioned, Weak US dollar, Illegal Immigrants, 42 million on Welfare, would be a few things that come to mind.
To sum it up.. not enough taxes being paid in and to much being paid out.

 

"No way we last 20 years. I'm absolutely 'spellbound' that TPTB have managed to keep the dollar from collapsing already given the manipulation of ALL the markets including, but not limited to, gold/silver, stocks, housing, bonds, et' al."

How very true. The warnings are banging pots and pans in the form of Moodys, Detroit, California, Fannie/Freddie, and government buying bonds instead of issuing them. Prep, toughen up and read.

 

Recover from what? I could easily see the US muddling along with changes driven by technology and shifting demographics. Can it still be around 20 years from now? Seems likely based on history.

It is a pretty great time to be alive and a US citizen right now. The degree of material goods and types of medical care is simply Science Fiction to some of us older folks.

You can't say times are bad when the problems most people face is too much food and what form of entertainment to pick. That and what smart phone is the best.

 

You can't say times are bad when the problems most people face is too much food and what form of entertainment to pick. That and what smart phone is the best.

Because the hammer hasn't dropped yet. So much of our economy is reliant on debt, credit, and government spending. What would happen if the USD was no longer the reserve currency? Or if every other nation out there started dumping Treasuries? What would happen if our government finally, FINALLY strangled the wealth transfer programs like welfare, food stamps, Obamacare, and unemployment?

We are living in prosperous times, but it is a false prosperity, like a Potemkin village.