I have completed first aid, CPR, and Stop the Bleed training courses. Additionally, I possess first aid and Stop the Bleed kits and suture and syringe kits that can be used in areas with limited access to clean supplies. However, I am unsure what to do in a dental emergency if a dentist is unavailable. It is unclear whether dental emergency classes exist for nonprofessionals, and if they do, I am unsure how to locate them.
Arik Pointer
Dental
For dental work, I would assume you are going to need somethings beyond the relatively easy to carry items that would be needed for CPR, blood clotting agents, sutures, syringes, etc. My guess is if someone is really miserable and you don't have the necessary tools and setup, the tooth may need to come out. If that's the case, I'd say make sure you have gauze and those cylinder shaped absorbing "pads" they use on you at the dentist (those who have been blessed with root canals will now what I mean)
There are books online on 3rd world dentistry. You can buy epoxy filling kits but in SHTF a painkiller and good tooth pliers will go far.
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Had to have my wisdom teeth pulled for submarine duty, everyone does....
Anyway in the chair getting set up to pull all 4. Novocain kicks in and cant feel my ears LOL...
He is laying out the tools and towels, and places a heavy towel over my forehead and eyes.
He asks if I know why he placed it there... I say incase there is a bleeder it doesnt get in my eyes....
He goes "nope I dont want you to see me expression on my face as I am grunting and trying to torque them out of your jaw...."
Anyway in the chair getting set up to pull all 4. Novocain kicks in and cant feel my ears LOL...
He is laying out the tools and towels, and places a heavy towel over my forehead and eyes.
He asks if I know why he placed it there... I say incase there is a bleeder it doesnt get in my eyes....
He goes "nope I dont want you to see me expression on my face as I am grunting and trying to torque them out of your jaw...."
True story. I had an abscessed tooth which got cracked biting an olive pit in a Greek salad. My dentist remarked "gee I remember the first #? I pulled..." And he told the story that in his younger days he was a Navy Corpsman on board a nuc boat on a covert mission sending divers up river to tap phone lines in a hostile country during the Cold War. Skipper had an abscessed tooth, the same one as mine, which was killing him. Summoned to the Skipper's quarters, he was quizzed, "Corpsman, did they teach you any dentistry?" "No Sir!" Morgan said.
"Then dammit, you better get out your books and study up, because if this tooth doesn't come out by the end of Dog Watch tonite you will never make Chief!"
"Aye Aye, Sir" and thereafter the tooth came out. Skipper got a medicinal booze ration instead of Percoset, and the mission was completed. Corpsman Morgan made Chief a year early.
"Then dammit, you better get out your books and study up, because if this tooth doesn't come out by the end of Dog Watch tonite you will never make Chief!"
"Aye Aye, Sir" and thereafter the tooth came out. Skipper got a medicinal booze ration instead of Percoset, and the mission was completed. Corpsman Morgan made Chief a year early.
I understand that you are trying to convey to me that pulling teeth isn't a difficult task. However, the story you shared doesn't give me much confidence.
Fish antibiotics; with mouth problems responding to amoxicillin usually. Thermoplastic to make your own redneck dentures.
Clove oil to store. Toothache plant to grow your own meds. Black walnut hull powder/mint leaf powder/licorice root powder/activated charcoal for toothpaste. Spinach packs for cavities. Black tea for mouthwash as well as tea bags to bite down on for pain relief.
I have other tinctures and powders for teeth at home. I'm on the tractor right now so I can get back to you.
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Clove oil to store. Toothache plant to grow your own meds. Black walnut hull powder/mint leaf powder/licorice root powder/activated charcoal for toothpaste. Spinach packs for cavities. Black tea for mouthwash as well as tea bags to bite down on for pain relief.
I have other tinctures and powders for teeth at home. I'm on the tractor right now so I can get back to you.
Aqua-Mox (Amoxicillin) Forte 500 mg, 30 Capsules
Aqua-Mox (Amoxicillin) Forte 500 mg, 30 Capsules
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Best choice is to keep your dental up to date. Like the military does, they pull and dig all before any deployments.
For a few hundred dollars you can get a pretty good dental set up going….. I even have a drill, lidocaine, and actual dental “Compound” that is the same stuff the dentist uses to fill and build teeth. You can get it all on eBay. I have even fixed a few of my own teeth over the past few years with success.
I’m not dentist, but I believe brushing and flossing every day, along with a trip to the dentist every six months is great prevention.
I hate to think of dental problems when the SHTF. Dental pain is pure misery.
I hate to think of dental problems when the SHTF. Dental pain is pure misery.
I have to ask, what’s the plan after implanting advanced first aid (stop the bleed, CPR,etc)?
Recently I had a family member die right in front of me. Their heart stopped and they had no respiration. I immediately called 911 to start EMS rolling. I started CPR and was on my own for nearly the next 15 minutes until the first paramedic arrived at our rural homestead in his person truck. About 20 minutes after I started CPR many other paramedics, firemen and sherifs deputies arrived. They worked on my family member for another 20 minutes on the floor of our home. They then transported them to the loca hospital that was by normal driving speeds and traffic at least 30 minutes away. I’m assuming they made it there faster in an ambulance. When the ambulance left our property they told me my loved one still had a fatal heart beat and was still under full CPR.
Lr story shortened, my loved one made a full recovery and is doing fantastic today. The ER doctor told me that the only reason was because I started CPR immediately and never stopped until I turned it over to the paramedics.
Although, back to my question. For people learning first aid as a prepping tool. What is the plan when there is no 911/EMS? In my situation if there was no advanced medical services to take over where I started the only outcome was death.
My question is really rhetorical and I’m hoping it just makes people think. I would also add, please prepare yourself mentally and emotionally for having to perform advanced first aid and or CPR on someone you care for. I will forever hear those ribs crack and see the color fade from my loved ones face. This was definitely the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life.
stay safe and healthy
Recently I had a family member die right in front of me. Their heart stopped and they had no respiration. I immediately called 911 to start EMS rolling. I started CPR and was on my own for nearly the next 15 minutes until the first paramedic arrived at our rural homestead in his person truck. About 20 minutes after I started CPR many other paramedics, firemen and sherifs deputies arrived. They worked on my family member for another 20 minutes on the floor of our home. They then transported them to the loca hospital that was by normal driving speeds and traffic at least 30 minutes away. I’m assuming they made it there faster in an ambulance. When the ambulance left our property they told me my loved one still had a fatal heart beat and was still under full CPR.
Lr story shortened, my loved one made a full recovery and is doing fantastic today. The ER doctor told me that the only reason was because I started CPR immediately and never stopped until I turned it over to the paramedics.
Although, back to my question. For people learning first aid as a prepping tool. What is the plan when there is no 911/EMS? In my situation if there was no advanced medical services to take over where I started the only outcome was death.
My question is really rhetorical and I’m hoping it just makes people think. I would also add, please prepare yourself mentally and emotionally for having to perform advanced first aid and or CPR on someone you care for. I will forever hear those ribs crack and see the color fade from my loved ones face. This was definitely the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life.
stay safe and healthy
20 minutes of cpr, wow. I bet you were feeling that in the morning. Sorry you had to go through that and I'm glad they made it.
Learning even the most basic cpr can save a life, and the world ain't ended yet. It may never, so it is a skill everyone physically able to do should learn. A good amount of time it will fail. But knowing you tried will give you the peace of mind standing there and doing nothing will not give you. Sometimes it's not about the person going to meet their maker. Sometimes it's about the ones they leave behind.
We are all heroes in the making. You saved a life. Anything else goes on in this world, you can lay your head on your pillow knowing that. Even if you failed, you can lay your head on the pillow knowing you gave them the best chance they could have had. Not every rescue ends in a happy ending, but not trying is not an option for me.
Learning even the most basic cpr can save a life, and the world ain't ended yet. It may never, so it is a skill everyone physically able to do should learn. A good amount of time it will fail. But knowing you tried will give you the peace of mind standing there and doing nothing will not give you. Sometimes it's not about the person going to meet their maker. Sometimes it's about the ones they leave behind.
We are all heroes in the making. You saved a life. Anything else goes on in this world, you can lay your head on your pillow knowing that. Even if you failed, you can lay your head on the pillow knowing you gave them the best chance they could have had. Not every rescue ends in a happy ending, but not trying is not an option for me.
Mary,
First; A warm welcome to the Forum and SBs.
This site involves real scholarship as far as they make 'em.
Ref: Dental Emergency;
First, do factor in to this prep that in disaster events, much of emergency dentistry involves the closely-related head trauma.
Yes, dental emergency classes do exist. As for "non-professionals", we all have too many different definitions so difficult to clearly address this question on classes.
I'm a non-health care volunteer with Virginia Dental Association working the emergency pop-up dental clinics ... mostly in Appalachia. I learn much over meals with dentists at the motels' breakfasts and expresso breaks.
I've taken 4 dental school classes for emergency field dentistry. It was suggested that if I wanted to get more dental education go to the closest community college and ask about the program "dental assistant". This is not the hygienist program but a little-used program involving how to work the X-ray machine, the dental adhesives and how to make them, the RX pharma for infection control, pain-killers, and the etc helping a dentist.
In non-chron order;
Get all the pubs mentioned here on thread involved the theme "When There's No Dentist ...".
To dental emergency kit, consider adding a magnifying mirror and a ~ 6 X magnifying glass along with a quality clamp-on anywhere good battery-powered light. Also have a "pen light" avail.
Since you mentioned - sutures - , note that here with pop-up emergency clinic program, was taught that most dentists choice braided nylon sutures for procedures not requiring a dissolable suture.
Again, a warm welcome to the Forum and subject-matter boards.
Transmitting from coastal Virginia.
First; A warm welcome to the Forum and SBs.
This site involves real scholarship as far as they make 'em.
Ref: Dental Emergency;
First, do factor in to this prep that in disaster events, much of emergency dentistry involves the closely-related head trauma.
Yes, dental emergency classes do exist. As for "non-professionals", we all have too many different definitions so difficult to clearly address this question on classes.
I'm a non-health care volunteer with Virginia Dental Association working the emergency pop-up dental clinics ... mostly in Appalachia. I learn much over meals with dentists at the motels' breakfasts and expresso breaks.
I've taken 4 dental school classes for emergency field dentistry. It was suggested that if I wanted to get more dental education go to the closest community college and ask about the program "dental assistant". This is not the hygienist program but a little-used program involving how to work the X-ray machine, the dental adhesives and how to make them, the RX pharma for infection control, pain-killers, and the etc helping a dentist.
In non-chron order;
Get all the pubs mentioned here on thread involved the theme "When There's No Dentist ...".
To dental emergency kit, consider adding a magnifying mirror and a ~ 6 X magnifying glass along with a quality clamp-on anywhere good battery-powered light. Also have a "pen light" avail.
Since you mentioned - sutures - , note that here with pop-up emergency clinic program, was taught that most dentists choice braided nylon sutures for procedures not requiring a dissolable suture.
Again, a warm welcome to the Forum and subject-matter boards.
Transmitting from coastal Virginia.
Look on amazon for some of the kits for extraction. Years ago I bought a polish or transalvanian set up that has special pliers and some nasty looking hooked instruments for pulling teeth. Hard to deal with now but if the coice is a killing infection or rip out a infected tooth I guess the patient and the medic can both take a few hits of moonshine and get to it.
I do have some "emergency dental repair" kits (meant to be temporary until you can get to a dentist) as well as some dental implements, but for a true dental emergency, I just call my neighbor, as he is also our dentist.
That's why people go to school to be dentists and doctors. I don't relish the thought of being given a shot of booze to numb the pain .Then have some prepper guy ,that looked at some books , yank a tooth out. I'm not hardy like the people a hundred years ago.
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