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Several years ago there was some controversy in how much oxygen was in Wise freeze dried pouches.

Does anyone know if that issue has been resolved?

I have been doing taste test videos and was wondering if I should do some on Wise pouches?

Here is the playlist for my Mountain House videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOT4WLQJfjA&list=PLbDwQ8j3TsV0p-HAjBRfXaCcrAeipEcjA

Should Wise foods be included in a food stockpile?
 

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I personally wouldn't include them in a test on principle alone. If they are in business and knowingly deceive their customers, why even offer them the chance at redemption? What's to stop them from pulling the same crap again? Lie to me once and I'm out. There is no second chance in my eyes, not on something like that.
 

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Interesting read here:

http://foodassets.com/info/why-not-wise-foods.html

We have elected to not carry Wise Food for these reasons:Wise Food - Not your best choice!

1) Careful investigation of their products, selection, prices, claims and marketing revealed a lot of inconsistencies and inaccuracies making us uncomfortable as storable food specialists, due to this and more, we've opted not to carry this line.

2) Advertised shelf life is wildly inaccurate. Wise Foods does not pack their food with oxygen absorbers, resulting in dramatically shortened shelf life. See #3 for further details and verification.

Sample review found online:

"I purchased a two bucket kit from this company. Upon reading the calorie contents of each kit, i realized that what they advertised as a 4 month supply of food for one person, was actually something more like a 1.8 month kit of food for one person.

If you do a quick search on how many calories one needs to have per day to live, you will see that it is right around 1200 plus or minus per day for a man or woman. The kits, state they have 120 servings each. One is breakfast items (120) and the other is more like stews etc. (120).

If you look at the per day total of calories between the breakfast and 2nd meal, it comes up to an average of about 490 calories per day.

One may be able to live on 490 calories per day for a little while, but very probably not even near 4 months, or even 2.

I contacted the company about this and they never replied.

(Actual calorie requirements per day are MUCH higher than these figures! 2300 - 2900 for men and women leading an active lifestyle. The Wise "4 month unit" above would only last 22 days). See our Food Calculator for further details on calorie requirements.

3) Oxygen levels are very high. Mountain House (Oregon Freeze Dry, the largest freeze drying company in the industry) commissioned an independent laboratory to test Wise Food. What they found was shocking. Wise Foods contained an average of 18% oxygen, 110 times higher then comparable Mountain House products. The main contributors to food spoilage are water, heat, light, and oxygen.

Wise Food Oxygen Test - Proof of Short Shelf Life!

Some IMPORTANT links relative to 3rd party lab testing, packaging properties, and their results (must read).

Oxygen Test Results: Leading Storable Food Brands

Moisture Penetration at End of Stated Shelf Life

Barrier Testing of Pouch Products

Columbia Laboratories Testing of Wise Food pouches

4) The taste is terrible. Wise Foods uses a lot of sodium. A single serving is 38% - 42% of the daily recommended allowance! There are many very negative reviews found online.

Sample review found online:

Opened this up yesterday and tried 4 of the meals with some of my coworkers (3 other men in my office area). All of them said it was either not good or not edible and the majority of the meals had a chemical aftertaste. I plan on returning this as it isn't worth keeping, if I was given it for free I would keep it but that is about it. Also I am VERY concerned with the shelf life claim of 25 years. These cheap thin plastic bags ARE NOT good quality mylar bags which s what you need for real shelf life. The company says to store at 50 degrees for best shelf life. Who in the world is going to have that capability? People saying "sure this isn't gourmet but hey its cheap per serving" are probably employees of Wise Foods. Seeing all of these compromises (and the long ingredient dec) makes me question the company who makes this. They are clearly trying to be the Ford Pinto of food storage and are doing a good job of it.

Here are the meal by meal reviews:

Teryaki with Rice: Slight chemical aftertaste, rice was the largest item in the meal, the carrot pieces and the fake meat were smaller than the grains of rice which seems kind of crazy. Overall 2 stars out of 5 stars rating here.

Pasta Alfredo: Rank/rancid smell of milk. Manufacture date of 11/08/2011 (less than 2 months old) so it is not old product. Strong chemical taste, noodles were nice and long, not something you see often in emergency food. Overall star ranking of 2.5 stars out of 5.

Chili Macaroni: Again a funny chemical taste, not as strong as the Pasta Alfredo. Sauce has a very tomato-ey base which I thought was not right for a Chili Mac like I have had from competitors. This meal did seems to struggle to break apart and mix in well. I had several bites where clumps of dry sauce (which hadnt reconstituted) overpowered your mouth.

Savory Stroganoff: No real chemical aftertaste here. Very runny which is kind of surprising considering stroganoffs are typically very hearty. Flavor wasn't bad but wasn't good either. I have had MUCH better beef stroganoffs from other food companies.

5) Their pouches are not resealable.

6) Poor variety of only 8 or 10 selections. This would get very repetitive in just a few days of eating. We can't even begin to imagine how torturous this would be to eat for a month or longer. Food variety is very important and also has a large impact upon nutrition and health (how you feel, energy levels, ability to stay healthy).

7) Very low calories. None of their units offer sufficient calories to keep you healthy and energetic for the advertised time frame they are supposed to support. They really are the "starvation units" that we warn about on our price comparison page. Low calories mean they won't last anywhere near the terms advertised because you will eat what your body requires much faster than advertised. None of their units will live up to the advertised time, they will last less then 1/3 of the time advertised.

8) Price is FAR higher than we are for our better products. Wise Foods resorts to heavy saturation advertising and paid promoters. The reasons for this is obvious: their price is over twice as high as our better quality products from Survival Cave, Mountain House and Alpine Aire.

Overall, Wise Food is overpriced low quality food with a poor shelf life. It is not real food storage food in our opinion. We choose to carry only the best products because quality, taste, shelf life, and selection matter - especially when you are depending on our products in times of need.

9) Nobody wants to belatedly discover that their food storage doesn't work when they need it. That would be like having your insurance policy canceled when you had to make a claim. All those years you paid out with your hard earned money (or stored your food) are now wasted because your insurance company doesn't offer you the promised quality coverage when you most need it.

It does make you wonder what past customers are going to do about their previous investment. Our suggestion is to eat it or give it away – and replace it with better food. We’ve been saying for this for years — don’t skimp. Buy once, cry once.

Don’t think you are going to “survive” on just the basics or on highly repetitive meals and be satisfied. In an emergency, you will eat whatever you can, but food storage can be quite enjoyable — if bought correctly and according to your dietary tastes and needs. Food fatigue and highly repetitive meals will quickly turn a bad decision into a costly mistake.
 

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I only use Mountain House because I know for a fact their food will last and is high quality. I read a while back that mountain house and alpineaire use real meat, the other companies use TVP, textured soy protein.

i know in 10- 15 years when I open a mountain house bag I'll be able to eat it, they've actually been around long enough to test their 25 year claim.
 

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Interesting read here:


Some IMPORTANT links relative to 3rd party lab testing, packaging properties, and their results (must read).

Oxygen Test Results: Leading Storable Food Brands

Moisture Penetration at End of Stated Shelf Life

Barrier Testing of Pouch Products

Columbia Laboratories Testing of Wise Food pouches
Thank you.

Why not just add an oxygen absorber? Not like those little packets cost a fortune.
 

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When I may one day have to trust my life to something I insist that:

1) It be a quality product. I tried a LOT of different companies of LTS foods before I settled on Mountain House due to performance and taste.

2) It have a history of reliability. MH has demonstrated, over time, that it exceeds its stated capacities in almost every way. Wise has had numerous issues...the latest one was just particularly bad.


For me, my long term, emergency storage, is now and will always be MH products. I store the complete meals, the meal components, the whole variety and range.
 

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I am curious, who actually produces wise foods?
Who does the freeze drying and who does the packaging.
Lots of private labeling is done by one or two manufactures.
I agree, mountain house is the best. Alpine aire does a good job as well but I believe they don't do there own freeze drying.
 

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>I am curious, who actually produces wise foods?<
The wise guys?

Investigate Honeyville.com if you want bulk items (gallon cans) to make your own vacuum packed meals. Quick, wide variety, and relatively inexpensive. They have standard powdered eggs (good for cooking into things, but not so hot for eating alone) and freeze dried scrambled eggs that are surprisingly good. Three months after The Event, they'll be gold.
 

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Understanding LTS

I have been a prepper all my life. It has been a lifestyle of common sense and practicality.
I, also, did not know what LTS was.
Not knowing the infinite list of acronyms ascribed to this game does not make an individual ignorant of the intent.
 

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Am I screwed or can I get a refund on the 2 unopened buckets that have been in my preps for 5 years?
I really doubt it. You can contact the company and ask. I think you'll get a flat "No", possibly prefaced by a runaround.
They probably can't re-sell the food, not knowing what conditions you stored it in. Could have been in a steel shipping container in the desert sun, for all they know.
But it wouldn't hurt to try, just send a few emails.


If (and almost certainly WHEN) they decline the refund, you have a few options:
-Eat it now. You already paid for it. Replace it with better stuff.
-Keep it for "post-SHTF giveaway". (Warning: You feed a hungry dog and it'll come back!)
-Toss it in a dumpster.

You cannot, with a good concience, give it away to someone who will think it's LTS food.
 

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I have been a prepper all my life. It has been a lifestyle of common sense and practicality.
I, also, did not know what LTS was.
Not knowing the infinite list of acronyms ascribed to this game does not make an individual ignorant of the intent.
I'm a nuclear digital commissioning engineer, acronyms are my life.

That's it, just remember that what he used was a TLA.

And what, you ask is a TLA?

TLA is a Three Letter Acronym for Three Letter Acronym. :)
 

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Thank you guys I'm getting ready to buy a two to four month supply wasn't sure who to go for Wise company's sure been sending me a lot of emails trying to get me to purchase the emergency supply food
 

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I am fairly new to prepping and have not yet gotten a lot of FD foods. So thank you for this valuable info about the Wise foods.
Does anyone know about Emergency Essentials? I have perused their website and been tempted to try some. But they don't offer sample sizes. And many of their items have a lot of sodium, and seemingly-chemical ingredients.
Also I have noticed they have "Greek yogurt" for sale which has hardly any protein! Which is wierd, every bit of Greek yogurt I have bought in grocery stores has a ton of protein.
I guess we all have to really read labels, and research and " ask around."
 

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I HIGHLY recommend that anyone considering freeze dried buy some from different companies and try them out before making a large, LTS size purchase.

You want to get a sense of the quality of the packaging and of the contents. You want to make some of it (especially making it the way you would in an emergency) to see how long it takes/how much fuel is required/etc. You want to see how changing the mix instructions affects it (for example, I found I like to add extra water to the MH Beef Stroganoff because otherwise it was sort of thick, and we like adding things like corn to the Chili mix).

You want to actually see the "serving size" on a plate. You want to have anyone who may be living off it in an emergency eat it so you know how their system handles it and if you should be storing an additional condiment or such that makes it more palatable. You especially want to know how it tastes; during an emergency is NOT when you want to add the additional stress of having to choke down horrible tasting food.

I found, in the ones I tried all that time ago (almost two decades now) that there were some truly horrible tasting products out there. You don't want those in your supplies. You and yours are going to be stressed as it is; lousy food you have to force down is just going to add stress you don't need. Sure, it might be better than nothing, but you are supposed to be preparing in advance so doesn't "better than nothing" sound like someone who skipped a step in preparing?

Do some research, make a list of what you want from the food, and then buy some to test. You need to make the right choice if you want to be both secure in your LTS foods and not waste a tone of money.
 
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