The shot that starts a civil breakdown won't have anything to do with gays. They don't matter that much.

It'll be about race.

 

Amnesty and or gun bans....

 

I saw a post calling for a constitutional convention with nothing specific in mind.
The results of a constitutional convention will result in a civil war.

 

Constitutional conventions cannot be called for without a specific amendment being the subject, in other words a convention is called for to amend the first amendment, but instead of the convention being just about amending the first amendment they also attempt to amend the 2nd amendment, this wouldn't be legal but with way the things are going in todays times they'd likely get away with it. In my opinion this would in fact bring about a civil war, the likes of which will dwarf the last.

 

Saw a movement for Texas to secede. That might cause something.

 

Saw a movement for Texas to secede. .

Is Mexico giving Texas back finally?

 

As much as obama and his minions would like it, I don't think it will be a person on the conservative/ constitutionalists side that starts the shooting.

I think it will be in response to an attack or final push,(if you will) from the other side.
Yeah, we may have a few nuts that try to start something (Dylaan Roof, Tim Mcvhey) but we acknowledge they are nuts, and condemn them.

While the other side has nuts, they make martyrs and idols of them ( Treyvon Freddie Grey , Micheal Brown)
But being a white, heterosexual male from the south, I don't expect anything good to come of any civil breakdown.

 

personally, we're in this mess because the 'constitutionalist' won't fire a shot. if, at the very onset of deprivation of rights/freedoms, there was a stand against it, we wouldn't be so far down the rabbit hole now. i don't see that they can take much more before there is a 'spring'. the several legislatures have committees which say yea or nay as to the constitutionality of a bill. even if it is plainly uncons, they will pass it anyway. why? because the scotus said that they could experiment with the laws. when someone tries to challenge the laws, it is such a headache. one that can last nearly 10 years. when you do get to court, they will misinterpret your logic/cites, and give a thoroughly twisted opinion of what is. the executive branch is no better. cops are 'just doing a job'. when your job is to uphold the law, aren't you supposed to know how the law works? if you're a craftsman, don't you need to know how your medium works?

 

Its not could the shot happen. The question is when will it happen. The us as a country is done.

 

Blade, that side sure is working overtime to try to provoke that "something" from which there is no turning back. What we do as individuals in response is just a drop in the bucket; what the overall effect of the decisions of many many people would be - is the only way to make them listen; pay heed; and change their ways.

Now, I'm talking about a whole lot of different kinds of individual family decisions - none of them involving actively bringing about or provoking a confrontation with anyone. It is time: to batten the hatches and try to get out of the way - or at least get the people you care about, as safe as they can be.

 

...Now, I'm talking about a whole lot of different kinds of individual family decisions - none of them involving actively bringing about or provoking a confrontation with anyone. It is time: to batten the hatches and try to get out of the way - or at least get the people you care about, as safe as they can be.

Yes, indeed.

 

Odd thing is, based upon my observations, is that it's not the white Southern male who wants civil war.

It's gays and people of other ethnicities.

PC or not, that's what I'm seeing.

Oh, and my disclaimer---if my non-PC comment offends you, tough baloney. I have the constitutional right to free speech and to state what I believe.

 

Oh, and my disclaimer---if my non-PC comment offends you, tough baloney. I have the constitutional right to free speech and to state what I believe.

For the time being.

 

I'm not so sure, PawPaw...have you seen how empty the churches are these days? (Excepting the mega-churches that aren't preaching the gospel, that is, and can you imagine many of them taking a stand for God's Word?)

 

I am not a christian by any stretch or religious for that matter. But I sure as hell will stand with those who are, and who are constitutionalists when the time comes.

Hell If it were up to me, and I had the power, Every morning kids would recite the pledge of allegiance and there sure as hell would be the words "One nation Under God, Indivisible with Liberty and Justice For all" In there. Dont like the words "under god" dont say them, then sit down shut up. Thats what I did.

 

I can see this happening. the feds would come down like (insert metaphor) and a bunch of people would be killed, wounded or jailed.
the question is, then what? will others stand up and make the feds back down, or will the rest be too cowed to react? 'oh well, it's the law, what can we do'.
no doubt there's still a hard core of believers, mostly in the Southeast, that would be willing to force the issue.
one wonders if churches will just start to refuse to do weddings at all.

 

We got pretty close to that in Nevada last year

 

Oh good grief

 

My family had an "Uncle" we "adopted" from an old folks home. He was a very unique old man, still had his wits about him. He was born in 1914, was 15 when the Stock Market crashed in 1929, basically watched the entire 20th century unfold. I loved to talk with him for hours, he had incredible insight and wisdom.

In one of our last conversations, he told me he did not believe the United States would exist in the same way it does today when I have grandchildren. He and a couple of old men who played cards together with him at the retirement village believed we would end up like Yugoslavia.

His reasoning was, Yugoslavia was not a "natural" country." It was cobbled together in the 1920s by the victors of WW1. The people of the area incorporated into Yugoslavia had no say so. They never got on with each other until the Soviet army installed a puppet government, backed by the full might of the Soviet Union.Once the Soviet Union collapsed, there was no centralized force strong enough to keep the different ethnic regions from coming apart violently.

Now,what can I take away from this? Maybe we will see a HUGE national police force:SicherHeitPolitzei-DHS, patrolling the streets maintaining order.Checkpoints, travel restrictions,curfews, arrests, ect.
I don't see massive armies fighting like during the war of Southern Independence. It just doesn't seem logical. Maybe guerrilla bands?

I DO see a Detroit-ization of areas, an oppressive government willing to ram left wing, Marxist, "progressive," laws down states throats, regardless of the will of the people. I can see fractures along racial lines. Mainly blacks attacking whites with impunity, until enough of the whites have had enough.

(Wonder how the economy will be doing during all this?)

The confusing thing is, I've met a LOT of whites, I would not urinate on, even if they were on fire. I have also met some wonderful black people.So maybe, MAYBE, M-A-Y-B-E... it will be a cultural war, ghetto vs civilized.


Maybe the ghetto culture will start this , and force the civilized among us to stand up. Maybe we will get people in the government that will put an end to this crazy 1960s experiment gone wrong. Maybe, the Supreme Court will have term limits, and Congress can veto their rulings.Maybe Governors will be elected by the State representatives. Maybe US Senators will be APPOINTED by their respective state governors, and be loyal to the states, rather than pandering for election.

Or maybe we will go the way of Rome. TP

 

Worth repeating :thumb:

 

This administration - includes political elites, both parties - have been emboldened by the recent trade and SCOTUS wins. Watch for a slew of new regulations coming out of the alphabet soup agencies.

People will be paying more for electricity, fuels, food, internet, and cell phones. They all have thousands of new regulations that will increase taxes, fees and penalties. All of them will be passed onto the consumer.

One thing I find curious is that Obama and the Feds have shown that they are not friends of police and sheriff departments. Already, many have decided to stand aside and let the so called oppressed run wild. What do you think will happen when their neighbors, friends and family decide not to go along with the promised transformation and wealth redistribution?

Could be a perfect storm.

 

Well when the communist pedophile Bill Clinton burned a church full of women and children, liberals loved him for it, and nothing happened.

So feds kept poking and instigating till they got a patsy to bomb the the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, facilitating the whole act. Failing to do anything about it ( except stay home) so a bunch more babies could die.

Now they are spitting on veterans graves, wanting to white wash your history and flaunting your religion right in front of your face. Just trying to provoke you to do something so they can say " see them white Christians is the terrorist we warned you about "

See how the communist operate? This happens when you elect liberals

 

Well when the communist pedophile Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton was a pedophile? First I have heard of this.

 

Something to consider, talking about strange laws. Bear with me, I am a History major, not a psychologist! Once homosexuality was defined as a mental disorder. Even today, there is a mental disorder that deals with "magical thinking," the belief that "magical" beings are communicating with you.

What if Christianity is dealt with as "magical" thinking. Mental disorder....no Second Amendment for you, just like PTSD in our vets. Hmm? TP

 

True of the two, 'faith' in my book represents a far bigger disorder. With homos, at least w/o modern tech, it's an evolutionary dead-end. Religion persists and seeks to indoctrinate others into the fiction(Look I'm not crazy, others believe); in which a % will be fanatics because of the fear of the unknown.

Humans *may one day find 'a creator'/reason; It won't be prostrating themselves against an artifact, but exploring/experimenting out in the universe(eyes wide open).

IMO.

 

In all fairness

the shot heard around the world started World War 1 not the civil war

what started the Civil war was less specific

now we are told it started when the south fired on fort sumner but they were scurmishes before that

what will start a 2nd Civil War

nation wide Martial law

 

In all fairness

the shot heard around the world started World War 1 not the civil war

the "shot heard 'round the world" was the start of the American Revolution.

 

to the op, in a word... nah.

 

Constitutional conventions cannot be called for without a specific amendment being the subject, in other words a convention is called for to amend the first amendment, but instead of the convention being just about amending the first amendment they also attempt to amend the 2nd amendment, this wouldn't be legal but with way the things are going in todays times they'd likely get away with it. In my opinion this would in fact bring about a civil war, the likes of which will dwarf the last.

WRONG!!

A convention caln be called for without any reason stated--or with a reason stated; and then once formed cannot be limited to any specific topic at all. The whole of the constitution could be tossed aside at any point--and the conventioneers themselves do have to power to ratify anything they come up with, because they were appointed by the states to act as their representatives.

You're listening to too much Mark Levin.

And let's all hope that such a thing happens.
It would be a good thing.
It would be one of the only things to get people off their butts and take action.

 

Takezo gets a cookie! :

The Constitution itself was a 'revolution', in that it replaced, by a 9-of-13 vote, a system that required unanimity for change (Articles of Confederation). In order to validate itself, it must have as part of its composition the provision to alter or abolish without precondition.

This in itself validates the concept of the 10th amendment, that the states are the supreme entities and only by their consent and acquiescence does the federal government even exist.

The fallacy of "'once in, you can't leave' was settled in 1865" is an example of the lie told loudly and often. It's mob rule, democracy at its extreme.

I do not think that Franklin, Jefferson, et al envisioned their republic as Hotel California writ large.

 

A "civil war" ? fantasy, the drones(drudge) will keep trudging along in their rut till they die or the robots kill them.

 

In my opinion this would in fact bring about a civil war, the likes of which will dwarf the last.

There would be, nor will there be another civil war to dwarf the last one.
The main reason for uprising would be the disintegration of the USA as you know it.

Everyone likes to look back to Gettysburgh and Shiloh and believe this is our future.
Naaah!!
Not going to happen.


Look to the disintegration of the Soviet Union as our future.
This will be the next form of "civil war" --abandonment of the union.
A bit of chaos, some saber rattling, a tank column stops in front of protestors and give up.... that's our future.
You will in fact see states seceding (mostly the western states) when our ponzi economic system (that you all soooo love) goes poof.
You will in fact see the entire US military structure collapse--and literally see sailors and soldiers hitchhiking home, or trading goods for food.
You will in fact see DC more or less abandoned and regarded as completely irrelevant, or at the very least, only in command of a handful of kommie-eastern states left in a shattered union (goodie, goodie!).

But this is our future.
Embrace it. Love it. Welcome it.
You voted for it when you let in goons like Clinton, Bush I, Bush II and finally Emperor Seotoro.
This is what we get when we believe their lies and deception on all levels (see Benghazi).

I for one can't wait for some thing new to arise.

 

Shortage of food & water is just about the only thing that would start one in America. Everyone is too worried about the new iPhone coming out to care about anything else.

 

Shortage of food & water is just about the only thing that would start one in America.

This is not too far off I think.
How long can the system keep doling out free food and healthcare?
There is a limit to the unfunded spending the gov is doing and it's coming to a head quite quickly.

There have been many very good points brought up in this thread and I believe ANY of them could/will ignite the next Civil War.

 

Civil war would never happen. Who is going to be fighting for what? Who's willing to make it their problem?

Pretty much our government can do what ever they want and get away with it. Martial law as a trigger event? Don't think so. See Boston marathon bombing.

Checks and balances in our government doesn't work anymore. See Obama care.

I don't really think I need to keep listing things, because it don't matter.

 

Pretty much our government can do what ever they want and get away with it. Martial law as a trigger event? Don't think so. See Boston marathon bombing.

You're talking about MA which is already a conquered zone. Many of the folks in MA, particularly near and in Boston, have traded their rights away a long time for the belief of a safety net by the government. Don't mistake their bowing to the forces as the example of what people in the rest of the country will do. It will likely play out differently elsewhere.

 

Once upon a time in a previous life I was on hospital detail watching a sedated inmate with another officer who was of another race which makes up less than 15% of the population. Now watching a sedated inmate on graveyards is about as exciting as watching the paint dry. Since we were expected to stay alert and ready to respond watching TV or reading was against the rules so engaging in conversation was the only way to pass time. Eventually the conversation made it to race relations. The officer sharing the detail said there is a race war brewing between whites and blacks, it would be bloody, and the complacent whites will never see it coming. He said he was telling me this because I had always been straight with him, that he would not take any action against me, but he would have to hang with the brothers.

So yes, I do believe it will be a race war. If it does happen, we will not have been the ones that started it.

 

Once upon a time in a previous life I was on hospital detail watching a sedated inmate with another officer who was of another race which makes up less than 15% of the population. Now watching a sedated inmate on graveyards is about as exciting as watching the paint dry. Since we were expected to stay alert and ready to respond watching TV or reading was against the rules so engaging in conversation was the only way to pass time. Eventually the conversation made it to race relations. The officer sharing the detail said there is a race war brewing between whites and blacks, it would be bloody, and the complacent whites will never see it coming. He said he was telling me this because I had always been straight with him, that he would not take any action against me, but he would have to hang with the brothers.

So yes, I do believe it will be a race war. If it does happen, we will have been the ones that started it.

"Stay away from me I will stay away from you"...So perfect and it worked...No wonder leftists had to ruin it...The destroy everything that works and is good and wholesome.

 

Sooner, or later someone is going to get so sick, and tired of all the crap that is smothering him/her, and authorities are going to come down too hard on him/ her. It's going to outrage other citizens, and then it'll be on. Conservative, liberal, black, white, Asian, Democrat, Republican it won't matter. Once the toothpaste is out of the tube it'll stay out of the tube.

 

Would that not be a violation of church and state? Not that the government wouldn't try and sercomvent that standatd.

 

In my estimation, the next "shot heard round the world", would be a revolution. Civil War is way down the list. No the next shot heard round the world will be citizens versus government. Comes the day when government intrudes yet another time but this time breaks the camel's back. It won't last long and the government will certainly lose.