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Hey Guess What? With economy in shambles, Congress gets a raise

:mad:With economy in shambles, Congress gets a raise
By Jordy Yager
Posted: 12/17/08 05:41 PM [ET]
A crumbling economy, more than 2 million constituents who have lost their jobs this year, and congressional demands of CEOs to work for free did not convince lawmakers to freeze their own pay.

Instead, they will get a $4,700 pay increase, amounting to an additional $2.5 million that taxpayers will spend on congressional salaries, and watchdog groups are not happy about it.


“As lawmakers make a big show of forcing auto executives to accept just $1 a year in salary, they are quietly raiding the vault for their own personal gain,” said Daniel O’Connell, chairman of The Senior Citizens League (TSCL), a non-partisan group. “This money would be much better spent helping the millions of seniors who are living below the poverty line and struggling to keep their heat on this winter.”

However, at 2.8 percent, the automatic raise that lawmakers receive is only half as large as the 2009 cost of living adjustment of Social Security recipients.

Still, Steve Ellis, vice president of the budget watchdog Taxpayers for Common Sense, said Congress should have taken the rare step of freezing its pay, as lawmakers did in 2000.

“Look at the way the economy is and how most people aren’t counting on a holiday bonus or a pay raise — they’re just happy to have gainful employment,” said Ellis. “But you have the lawmakers who are set up and ready to get their next installment of a pay raise and go happily along their way.”

Member raises are often characterized as examples of wasteful spending, especially when many constituents and businesses in members’ districts are in financial despair.

Rep. Harry Mitchell, a first-term Democrat from Arizona, sponsored legislation earlier this year that would have prevented the automatic pay adjustments from kicking in for members next year. But the bill, which attracted 34 cosponsors, failed to make it out of committee.

“They don’t even go through the front door. They have it set up so that it’s wired so that you actually have to undo the pay raise rather than vote for a pay raise,” Ellis said.

Freezing congressional salaries is hardly a new idea on Capitol Hill.

Lawmakers have floated similar proposals in every year dating back to 1995, and long before that. Though the concept of forgoing a raise has attracted some support from more senior members, it is most popular with freshman lawmakers, who are often most vulnerable.

In 2006, after the Republican-led Senate rejected an increase to the minimum wage, Democrats, who had just come to power in the House with a slew of freshmen, vowed to block their own pay raise until the wage increase was passed. The minimum wage was eventually increased and lawmakers received their automatic pay hike.

In the beginning days of 1789, Congress was paid only $6 a day, which would be about $75 daily by modern standards. But by 1965 members were receiving $30,000 a year, which is the modern equivalent of about $195,000.

Currently the average lawmaker makes $169,300 a year, with leadership making slightly more. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) makes $217,400, while the minority and majority leaders in the House and Senate make $188,100.

Ellis said that while freezing the pay increase would be a step in the right direction, it would be better to have it set up so that members would have to take action, and vote, for a pay raise and deal with the consequences, rather than get one automatically.

“It is probably never going to be politically popular to raise Congress’s salary,” he said. “I don’t think you’re going to find taxpayers saying, ‘Yeah I think I should pay my congressman more’.”
 

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Who is John Galt?
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Its an automatic cost of living increase; they have to specifically vote it down....which fails....

edit....I have already emailed my Representative and voiced my displeasure over this, that she should do everything in her power to get this changed AND to not accept the raise.....
 

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Remember when it was a voluntary public office with no pay? Oh yea that ended when the founding fathers all died.

-Cade
 

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I feel so sorry for them, how can they possibly live on $169K a year (not counting the perks). Maybe a million man march on Washington would wake them up.
 

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soon, when the market crashes and there are millions unemployed, there will only be the destitute, and the politicians... looks like the caste system will be coming back soon.
but dont worry, the government will legalize slavery and you will get a meal and a bed in a FEMA camp. ;)
hope everyone down there has their ammo stockpile ready. i just wonder if the masses will have the will to use them.
here in canada, where our house of commons is a shambles, and nothing is getting done, i don't think the people here have the will, or the guns, to rise up against the tyranny...
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makes me sad that this is going to happen in my lifetime.

peace
al
 

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Congressional excess

..these airheads speak with a forked tonque,they want to feather their own nests(states)with perks & a huge manufacturing base from foreign automakers,then try to shut down Northern domestics that help defend this country in time of war.Someone should organize a million man march on Washington..I'd march with our autoworkers & Vets to show our displeasure..!! :mad: :mad:
 

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I have always said (dreamed) that the best way to pay ALL elected officials, and those appointed by them, is on commission. How, you say? It of course would have to be enacted as an executive order by the president as it would never pass a vote. Here's how it would work. All elected office holders or appointees, would be payed a percentage of the GDP. The percentage depends on whether they are a congressman, governor, or senator, you get the picture. From that base amount, we SUBTRACT the same percent as the unemployment rate, the prime rate, the inflation rate, and the percentage of the population on welfare. Also, those on this pay scale are automatically in the top tax bracket, regardless of deductions or taxable income. The percent of GDP may not be changed, nor the percentages removed. No supplemental income bills may be passed, under any name.
Now, don't you think THAT would have our elected officials pay more attention to us common folk?
 

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Or we could pay the clowns based on their national aproval rating, which IIRC would land them somewhere between 10-20 cents on the dollar !!!
 

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Or we could pay the clowns based on their national aproval rating, which IIRC would land them somewhere between 10-20 cents on the dollar !!!
Wow your really being generous...dont they have about a 9% approval rating? About the only thing they do very well at all is waste tax payers money and find ways to increase taxes.
 

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This brings to mind the scene from the movie "Mars Attacks" where the old woman laughs maniacally while a martian vaporizes the members of congress with a ray gun.

We can dream can't we?
 
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