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Alright I've just recently started my preps for the coming tough times and i have a few questions...

First, I'm a college student in St.louis, but im from the ozarks.
In TSHTF scenario what will happen to colleges in general if they economy hits rock bottom like many believe and martial law is induced? I feel i'm doing the right thing by preparing as much as I can so I can get to my BOL back home in the Ozarks.

Second, My bugout location is located in a very hilly within 15 miles of a military base, which has been identified to have a fema camp built on it.
What precautions should be taken around this area?

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I am a student at U of TX. I would stay as far away from FEMA camps as possible. The bottom of the barrel will be at those places and they will have no problems stealing from you if they know you have something. I really hope in a time of martial law that classes will be forced to continue to keep things as normal as possible.
 

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but how could classes stay normal in a time of unrest at this level? I dont see how anything could stay normal especially classes, I for one would like to stay of the grid as much as possible even if that means I wouldn't be able to go to class. That's not ideal, I would not want to interrupt school, but if it meant that I had to protect my civil liberties, than I would do that.
 

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but how could classes stay normal in a time of unrest at this level? I dont see how anything could stay normal especially classes, I for one would like to stay of the grid as much as possible even if that means I wouldn't be able to go to class. That's not ideal, I would not want to interrupt school, but if it meant that I had to protect my civil liberties, than I would do that.

You need to have more than just one plan. Plan on staying in school until it is time to leave and take care of you and your family. You ask when will that be? well I don't have that answer and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say nobody does, all you really can go on is your instincts and intuition, in other words you'll know when it's time to BO or atleast when that time is nearing.
I don't know your situation as everybodies is different but you need to always have more than one plan, more than one E&E route, two is better but having even more than two would benifit you because you really need to have a back up plan for every back up plan. ARE YOU READY ME:D: JK.

do you have an E&E route already planned out, if so what if it is blocked off? what if you can't turn around to get out ? do you have a plan to escape on foot? etc... Have maps made up already with your routes plotted with plenty of possibles.

I for one, (if I were in school) would not stick around if things were in a time of unrest, I would be with the family.
 

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I'm a student myself and like all these scenarios it will depend on what crisis we are facing IMO.

I agree with DoubleD you definitely don't want to be near a FEMA camp. But I don't see anyway that classes continue. If we have martial law, our profs. aren't coming to teach us, they'll be panicking like most other people. If you go to a state funded school, like I do, then an economic crisis will cause the semester/classes to be canceled anyway. I have family that works at universities, their budgets are already being cut and courses are being cut. If the bottom really drops you'll see schools shut down. If it's a natural disaster we are talking about, well... my school shuts down 2-3 days before a hurricane and clears campus housing, I imagine that's what will happen in face of any SHTF scenario.
 

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I live in a St.louis suburb so i have highways to get out of the city quickly when I spot a serious trigger to martial law or whatever scenario takes place...I will probably be out of this area before most people realize what is happening. I have been looking at alternative routes such as county roads and smaller highways that wont be congested or blocked with checkpoints...ill have my arms and other essentials at my BoL so I wont risk them being taken away.

I guess I need to get my E&E plan and have a great alternative even if it means going way out of the way to get to my family and BOL
 

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I'm a student myself and like all these scenarios it will depend on what crisis we are facing IMO.

I agree with DoubleD you definitely don't want to be near a FEMA camp. But I don't see anyway that classes continue. If we have martial law, our profs. aren't coming to teach us, they'll be panicking like most other people. If you go to a state funded school, like I do, then an economic crisis will cause the semester/classes to be canceled anyway. I have family that works at universities, their budgets are already being cut and courses are being cut. If the bottom really drops you'll see schools shut down. If it's a natural disaster we are talking about, well... my school shuts down 2-3 days before a hurricane and clears campus housing, I imagine that's what will happen in face of any SHTF scenario.
I am a college student as well, and wonder about student loans if the schools shut down. I hate debt, and don't want to be having to pay off 20K in loans while the SHTF, or short of that, an economic collapse where the government is still functioning.
 

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Another student.

my family is at least 3 hours away, in a much more metropolitan area (2 in bay area. one in SD)

here in Chico I think im better off, no I don't have a house, like Ma does but I have more preps and a few guns. Ma really doesn't have anything ready except a lime tree in the back yard.

So I will convince them to come here, and when they don't I'm sorry they will be on there own.

Sounds harsh, but in a time of nat'l emergency i can't be driving around CA trying to convince unwilling family members to come with me.

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I am a college student as well, and wonder about student loans if the schools shut down. I hate debt, and don't want to be having to pay off 20K in loans while the SHTF, or short of that, an economic collapse where the government is still functioning.
In the event your school closed down, your loan would be null and void until it reopened.
 

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Another student.

my family is at least 3 hours away, in a much more metropolitan area (2 in bay area. one in SD)

here in Chico I think im better off, no I don't have a house, like Ma does but I have more preps and a few guns. Ma really doesn't have anything ready except a lime tree in the back yard.

So I will convince them to come here, and when they don't I'm sorry they will be on there own.

Sounds harsh, but in a time of nat'l emergency i can't be driving around CA trying to convince unwilling family members to come with me.

T

I agree, Chica is a better place to be then the Bay and when it does go to S**t they're gonna have to suck up there pride and get out of dodge for a while. They need to treat it like a natural disaster, leave and come back when the storm is gone. Now I know the Bay Area isn't used to natural disasters, save for the occasional earthquake which there's no warning for anyway but there should be a decent amount of time for them to get a few things together and skiddaddle, just make sure they take the 505 and avoid downtown Sac. BUUT if they don't come F**k'em, thats my motto. (no disrespect)
 

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seriously on the 505 note, when i went down for thanksgiving Wednesday afternoon I made the mistake of going down 99 to sac and then west on 80. took me like an hour just to get to past west sac, at least thats what it felt like.

my mom and sister (the one in the bay also) both went to chico state. so they should know that.

the sister in SD, idk what she will do.

I hope i never need to find out.

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Many crime statistics will show the most likely perpetrators are in their late teens to early twenties, which is what a good majority of college students are. There will be a sharp rise in crime on college campuses as a result of economic troubles. Some will have trouble paying for their tuition, on campus housing, and college meal plans. In such a densely packed community, where dorm residents come and go at all hours, with a general lack of competent security, burglaries will be present. Many dorm residents, at least in my experience, often leave their doors unlocked through negligence. With so many people passing through the dormitories it will be easy pickings for those inclined to steal. Moreover, many residents keep their doors open while present in their room, which invites the casual observer to see any potential items of value. Numerous cars in a parking lot will also invite burglary in search of valuables or even auto theft. Some residents, particularly of the thug type, may even try to mug others given the right circumstances. I can see this occurring far more often in a large university rather than a small campus, where it is difficult to disappear quickly and everyone knows everyone else. In such difficult times drug sales from new drug dealers, in search of a fast dollar, may result. College campuses are always prime targets for dealers. With an influx of drugs, further theft can occur due to users trying to support a habit. Many students feeling the economic bind may end up turning to drugs and alcohol as a means to soften the depression they face. Again, more drugs, more crime. Depending on the drug used, it can lead to violence towards others or property crimes. Hard times could also invite economically burdened outside parties looking to target “those wealthy college kids”.

As time progresses, colleges would institute new security policies and changes to keep up with the increased levels of crime. This may call for an increased number of security guards with numerous checkpoints at entrances to buildings and parking lots, where they may “log you in” using your college ID, search your baggage, and possibly use metal detectors in extreme cases. I can recall many times from my college days when security or RAs would search our bags prior to entering the dorms to make sure no one is transporting alcohol in what they believed was a dry campus. Even now, in grade schools, there are security placed at main entrances who do require students to pass through metal detectors and have backpacks checked. It wouldn’t be too far fetched to assume a college may institute similar practices. As an added security measure, a college could try to have a curfew, though I am sure it would be met with a huge backlash. Many students, in my own experience, have tended to ignore what most security guards say. They have even gone as far as running away from security when confronted, as the typical guards at my former college were far from the physically fit type. Now if the police are involved with a mandated area curfew, it will be far more difficult to protest against an able bodied police force with the threat of arrest and jail; though I am sure it would still occur.

If the college’s finances are going down hill as well, they may try to raise the cost of tuition, further angering the students. In the event the college decides to close its doors it would surely create an atmosphere ripe for civil unrest, being fueled by the decreases in freedom my new college security measures. Martial law is usually declared in such incidents involving mass civil unrest, whereby having the “innocent” people off the street makes it easier for the police to focus their efforts on the trouble makers. I cannot foresee a college continuing to function under martial law, but that depends on the severity of it. In some cases a curfew is in effect, in others it may mean having everyone off the street for a few days. Either way, it would disrupt the function of the college. If a curfew is in effect, night classes would not be possible. If a mandatory “stay in your home” is in effect, classes would be cancelled until further notice. I cannot imagine the police having hundreds or thousands of students stay in their dormitories for days on end. First of all, the students would have to be allowed to leave in order to eat, unless the college makes provisions to allow food to be brought to the dorms. Secondly, sitting in those little, cramped dorm room style jail cells would be just like that – jail. This is where civil unrest would likely result after having so many students are fed up with their loss of freedom and general boredom of being inside all day, every day. In some cases, maybe special circumstances will permit students to be out of their dorms, but not leave campus. This will further agitate the student body, being so close to the freedom of getting off campus, by having a security guard or police officer tell them they can’t leave. One by one, residents will band together and decide they have had enough. They may fight each other out of frustration, they may fight against authorities for a loss of liberties, and/or destroy public and private property out of frustration. Whatever the case may be, a mob of hundreds can result and you really do not want to be in the middle of it.

If I were in a college “lock down” situation due to martial law or college policy, I would say the heck with it! Where I went to college I was right outside of a city, in the suburbs, with many patches of forests everywhere. It wouldn’t be too hard to slip out at night and scamper off into the wilderness for a 30 mile trek home.

In your area, it would be best to avoid any sort of authority figure. What history has shown us is that in a time of emergency, authorities may place you in a FEMA camp for “your own good”. No matter how well prepared you are or how many times you try to tell this to a “rescue authority”, many of them believe you have to rely upon Uncle Sam for your own well being rather than being capable of taking care of yourself. They cannot fathom someone may have the knowledge, skills, and supplies to live independently from all other sources, including the government. You may be scooped up into their loving arms (yeah, right!) and escorted to a FEMA camp for your own safety. Any items you bring are likely to be search and confiscated. Even if they do not take you away, they still may stop, question, and search you. Many times during Hurricane Katrina, law abiding people were stripped of what they had by law enforcement. It would not be too unrealistic to believe it won’t happen again.

Depending on the size of this disturbance, authorities are more likely to be stationed in the most populated centers. Small sized patrols are likely through rural areas, making it far easier to avoid being spotted. Whenever possible, stick with the most rural, isolated routes that you can. Some of these routes may take you through private property, so be forewarned of angry land owners confronting you. Travel at night, hole up during the day. Your appearance is an important aspect, because you do not want to look like a soldier by wearing camouflage, but you also do not want to stand out in the bush by wearing “loud” colored clothing. Stick with solid, earth toned colored clothing that makes you look like just the average joe. Equipment carried should also reflect this philosophy as well. Be prepared to “cold camp”, which means being able to function without the need of a fire or smoking cigarettes. These both emit a very identifying odor that will alert anyone in the area.

That’s my two cents!
 
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