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http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/23_01.html

NHK has captured images of Chinese naval ships navigating the high seas between the islands of Japan's southernmost prefecture of Okinawa.

The video footage was taken from an NHK helicopter flying over waters about 120 kilometers northeast of Miyako Island from 5:45 PM to 6:25 PM on Wednesday.

Japan's Defense Ministry and Self-Defense Forces have confirmed the ships were in the area.

They are a frigate of the Chinese navy's most advanced category, the Jiangkai II, a Sovremenny-class destroyer and a vessel for information gathering.
 

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One ship does not a "fleet" make. If it was an aircraft carrier and escorts, I'd notice. But until China builds enough ships to transport those 14 billion screaming Chinese infantrymen to our West Coast......I could care less. :D:
 

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Three actually. A detachment pulling the naval equivalent of burnouts on your front lawn.
 
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The articl says there were 11 vessles, including subs. I'd call that a fleet, at least a small one.
 

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The articl says there were 11 vessles, including subs. I'd call that a fleet, at least a small one.
I missed that part.

But the fact still remains....they are not a threat to us. I don't care how technologically advanced they are....wars are won and lost by boots on the ground. And China simply does not have the transport capability to field a force big enough to take us on our mainland.
 

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I missed that part.

But the fact still remains....they are not a threat to us. I don't care how technologically advanced they are....wars are won and lost by boots on the ground. And China simply does not have the transport capability to field a force big enough to take us on our mainland.
They have plenty of cargo vessels they could use :)
 

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The articl says there were 11 vessles, including subs. I'd call that a fleet, at least a small one.
Think what it meant was, those three were part of the 11 vessles, but the 3 were the ones to sail over so far south, into those waters.

I'm sure it's intentional the way it's playing out. Sending the 3 most advanced ships through days before the rest pass by.

They're walking past Japan with a mean glace, and flexing their arms. Pretty much what this all amounts to.

Sort of stuff isn't unique to China.
 

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I missed that part.

But the fact still remains....they are not a threat to us. I don't care how technologically advanced they are....wars are won and lost by boots on the ground. And China simply does not have the transport capability to field a force big enough to take us on our mainland.
That's fantasy.

All they have to do is stop buying T bills and you will all be rioting on the streets and wondering where American went. Funny how the tables have turned isn't it? To defeat you, all they have to do is cease an action. Once their internal economy is strong enough, I have no doubt that will be weaponized.

To what end?

You'll be busy with internal turmoil and rebuilding while they consolidate by taking Middle East assets.

Wars of attrition are old hat. Choke an economy off at the source (energy, industry) and they're putty in the hand.

"take us on the mainlaind"

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That's fantasy.

All they have to do is stop buying T bills and you will all be rioting on the streets and wondering where American went. Funny how the tables have turned isn't it? To defeat you, all they have to do is cease an action. Once their internal economy is strong enough, I have no doubt that will be weaponized.

To what end?

You'll be busy with internal turmoil and rebuilding while they consolidate by taking Middle East assets.

Wars of attrition are old hat. Choke an economy off at the source (energy, industry) and they're putty in the hand.
What's the Aussie viewpoint toward China?

I've heard statements on Indonesia.
 

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That's fantasy.

All they have to do is stop buying T bills and you will all be rioting on the streets and wondering where American went. Funny how the tables have turned isn't it? To defeat you, all they have to do is cease an action. Once their internal economy is strong enough, I have no doubt that will be weaponized.

To what end?

You'll be busy with internal turmoil and rebuilding while they consolidate by taking Middle East assets.

Wars of attrition are old hat. Choke an economy off at the source (energy, industry) and they're putty in the hand.

"take us on the mainlaind"

lol
Since the US is China's number one consumer...and the reason their economy is so strong....don't you think it would be in their best interest to keep status quo?
 

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I missed that part.

But the fact still remains....they are not a threat to us. I don't care how technologically advanced they are....wars are won and lost by boots on the ground. And China simply does not have the transport capability to field a force big enough to take us on our mainland.
No, but they can sink our economy first, and then sink our battleship later. China has us by the balls economically..
 

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Since the US is China's number one consumer...and the reason their economy is so strong....don't you think it would be in their best interest to keep status quo?
Part correct. China supplies us with cheap goods, with money we borrowed from them in the first place. The world is already in a race to be the next reserve currency, and we are going to get left with an inflation nightmare.
 

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Since the US is China's number one consumer...and the reason their economy is so strong....don't you think it would be in their best interest to keep status quo?
I love quoting myself:

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All they have to do is stop buying T bills and you will all be rioting on the streets and wondering where American went. Funny how the tables have turned isn't it? To defeat you, all they have to do is cease an action. Once their internal economy is strong enough, I have no doubt that will be weaponized.
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What's the Aussie viewpoint toward China?

I've heard statements on Indonesia.
Mixed, but the further you go from urban centers, the worse the opinion gets.

Geographically speaking, it's like living under a mean giant.

In my grandmothers neighborhood, she could remember when the first Chinese family moved in.

Nowadays, that entire part of the city is approximately 95% Chinese population.

Most cities here are probably between 30-80% Chinese.

Most Australians don't like it. It would be different if they weren't so numerous or if they didn't bring their communist-sympathizing influence with them.

As barbaric as it sounds, I don't think any first generation immigrant from a communist nation should be allowed to vote. That is from personal experience of knowing people from Asia and Africa.

Why the above strong statement?

Because they bring their past with them, even if they are refugees. The guy from Japan whom I lived with for a time, he strongly disapproved of me owning firearms ... Why? Because back in Japan, they virtually aren't allowed near a firearm and are convinced by the state that firearms are bad. Needless to say he brought these beliefs with him, and he can't understand "why a government would let their citizens own firearms".

The African guy I lived with, he thought the same thing except in a slightly more dictatorial way. In political discussions, he used to always use the words 'ban' and 'outlaw'. We'd discuss the latest armed robbery in the city, and his answer was "the government should ban weapons completely". When the discussion got around to pitbulls, his answer: "all pitbulls should be banned".

Why? Back in his home country, that is what the governments used to do. They'd rule with an iron fist, democratic principles weren't even wanted by the people, much less those ruling over them. Here he is denouncing fundamental principles of liberty, while taking advantage of those same principles. Is it his fault? No, I think he's brainwashed, and have no problem with his Australian-born kids voting for whatever they believe in since they have not been brainwashed by dictatorial anti-liberty governments.

And they import these beliefs, and use the rights we offer them (to vote) as weapons against the very fundamental principles that caused them to come here in the first place.

As bad as it sounds, again, I don't think any first generation immigrant from a country where freedom was frowned upon should have the right to vote. All others, sure. I support their property rights, freedom of speech, fair trial, firearms, etc.

But the power to vote is the power to affect my life as much as theirs, and I don't want laws passed by people trying to make their new home similar to the one they fled from.

It also doesn't help when immigrants from China don't speak a word of English, and act nasty to non-Chinese citizens. Just recently in that city, the Chinese population petitioned the council to change all road signs to Chinese from English. It's bad enough that all the shop signs are in Mandarin, but when you're driving around in an English speaking nation and can't read road signs ...

Maybe it's just me, but IMO that is not what I want immigration to look like. People with no respect for the new land, and use the Rights they have to attack those very Rights.

I doubt that is a popular stance, especially amongst immigrant groups, but there it is.
 

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I think this explains it:



JUNE 22: 90th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party of China.

And just remember- not only are they holding our wallet chain, but a good chunk of our government openly worships them.



only makes sense they decide to pull a Vlad Putin style testosterfest
 

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In 1938, Hilter bet there was no way the US could invade Europe, and yet by 1945 we had invaded Africa, Europe, and stormed through the pacific. I believe we had 180 million in population. China has 1.2 Billion people and the production capability in the world. Think about it.
 

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I think this explains it:



JUNE 22: 90th anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party of China.

And just remember- not only are they holding our wallet chain, but a good chunk of our government openly worships them.



only makes sense they decide to pull a Vlad Putin style testosterfest
On the contrary. I just see a row upon row of effeminate sackless drones. I find political military demonstrations like that as an underscore of the social insecurity of the state.

Real countries with real men and women (instead of androgynous drones of the state) don't need to trot out their military to make themselves feel good.

Maybe I'm a little harsh on the Chinese. There are a lot of decent immigrants here from China, however they are genuinely outnumbered by multitudes of rude and disrespectful ones. That is a product of growing up in urban China. So many people, so few opportunities, that they will literally trample each other for a loaf of bread and have no common courtesy.

One could liken them to Mexican nationalists living in southern states or the 'silent supporter muslims' who never speak out denouncing offensive violence. The nation-destroying immigration policies.

If they love their old way of life from 'the motherland' and insult your nations values, why don't they just go home?

I respect their Rights but am offended when they vote to take away mine based on imported ideologies.

In a compromise between Good and Bad, only Bad stands to profit while Good only stands to lose.
 

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I think we're both essentially saying the same thing. but the point is- people in our government one way or the other pander to them.
 
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Ongoing Thread in Aussie Section

What's the Aussie viewpoint toward China?

I've heard statements on Indonesia.

Interesting thread currently in the Aussie & New Zealand section on this subject ....... original subject concerned Aussie's possible future if the USA craps out ...... Who's the biggest invasion threat? ........ lots of China concern .......
 
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