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http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/gangs-turn-chicagos-streets-battleground/Story?id=8785218&page=1

At 5 a.m at a secret location in Chicago, heavily armed U.S. Marshals and local police locked in on a target.

"He is a gang member," said U.S. Marshal Ed Farrell. "Pretty much everything they do is through fear and violence. That's how they control neighborhoods, that's how they control their criminal activity."

It was a busy morning. Five arrests in two hours. All those arrested were wanted for drug dealing, and all were gang members.

"We have the biggest gang problem in the country. There are more gang members per citizen in Chicago than anywhere else in the country," Farrell said.

The FBI works closely with Chicago authorities to try and dismantle gang leadership. The gangs have morphed from social organizations into full-fledged criminal enterprises.

In an undercover surveillance video, a female gang member was seen selling drugs in broad daylight -- and her four year-old daughter was also on the video clutching the drugs. The mother was a member of the New Breed gang that controlled a one-block area that included eight buildings.

"The gang did $80,000-worth of sales per day," said Thomas Trautman, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI Chicago Division. "There were nine homicides and nine shootings in that one block in 18 months."

Only after authorities took out the gang leadership and arrested 56 gang members from the housing complex was there any normalcy.

But it's a battle for police just to keep pace. At the largest jail in the country, the Cook County Jail, that reality is all too clear.

"We've got approximately 9,000 to 9,500 male inmates. And a good 90 percent of them, probably closer to 95 percent of them, are gang members," said Tom Kinsella, executive director of the Cook County Office of Intelligence.

"They are members of organized crime for strictly one thing -- money. And their drug dealing is where they get 95 percent of their money. It starts with 16-year-old kids dealing on the street, up to 50 year olds," Kinsella added.

The jail's gang intelligence unit provides police on the street valuable information about the gangs -- details about hierarchy, symbols and weaponry.

Police struggle to stop gang activity, but authorities are the first to admit that you can't arrest your way out of this problem.

"It's not clear we can break up the gangs. The best we may be able to do is to get them to decrease their violence," said Jens Ludwig, a professor at the University of Chicago Crime Lab.

"The police can't stop the problem alone," said Kinsella. "It is a family problem and a problem with society and it's gotten beyond what police can control."

A conversation with a 25-year-old member of the 4 Corner Hustlers -- who joined at age 12 -- makes the point in a chilling fashion.

Pierre Thomas: "Why did you join?"

Gang Member: "For the money. They had the girls. I liked the lifestyle."

Thomas: "Did you sell drugs?"

Gang Member: "Yes I did. ... My parents were caught up, too."

Thomas: "Have you been shot at?"

Gang Member: "Yes."

Thomas: "Have you shot at people?"

Gang Member: "Yes. ... At the time, it was kill or be killed."

Thomas: "Do you expect to live to be an old man?"

Gang Member: "Nah. I know one day it's going to be my turn."

Thomas: "Do kids in your neighborhood have a choice?"

Gang Member: "You will join. You will join."

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I believe that the implied unstated message of the Gang Member is "join...or die".

The police departments have been defeated...they will never win this battle. Leadership decapitation only results in spawning two heads to the beast. I'm sure there are plenty of young, ambitious studs ready to move up in the ranks.

Once the other gangs in the other cities see that they CAN win, all bets are off. Combine this with the Detroit problem in the other thread...you do the math.
 

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Thanks for the post Wifi it was a good read. Inner city gangs will only get worse as the economy worsens it will be interesting to see what happens in the major cities. Even scarier is the rise in gangs within our armed services. At our last quarterly training day we where warned that gang activity will not be tolerated. If its got to the point to where the Army is openly talking about it it must be pretty bad.
 

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Thanks for the post Wifi it was a good read. Inner city gangs will only get worse as the economy worsens it will be interesting to see what happens in the major cities. Even scarier is the rise in gangs within our armed services. At our last quarterly training day we where warned that gang activity will not be tolerated. If its got to the point to where the Army is openly talking about it it must be pretty bad.
I retired over 13 months ago and I had a counseling session with two soldiers, both from Chicago and asked them several questions. They filed EO complaints against me but nothing came of it.

The gangsters and former gangsters have an informal chain of command.
 
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I retired over 13 months ago and I had a counseling session with two soldiers, both from Chicago and asked them several questions. They filed EO complaints against me but nothing came of it.

The gangsters and former gangsters have an informal chain of command.
I dont know 1SG, i havnt had any dealings with it personally but then again im MI. I have heard that its especially bad here at FT Gordon in the signal branch. My PSG was saying there has been a total of eleven UCMJ actions in the last 6 months for gang activity. Pretty sad.
 

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The Atlanta metro region has had a serious gang problem in recent years, mainly due to being on major transportation routes for drug shippers and middlemen, as well as the cartels. Also MS13, etc. came here. Gwinnett County NE of Atlanta had the worst gang problem.

Then, Georgia LEO (local and state) gave it a major priority and earlier this year they can accurately say that the gangs are now on the run. That's what Chicago needs. Kick ass boys and girls.
 

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I dont know 1SG, i havnt had any dealings with it personally but then again im MI. I have heard that its especially bad here at FT Gordon in the signal branch. My PSG was saying there has been a total of eleven UCMJ actions in the last 6 months for gang activity. Pretty sad.
I bet that MI is wired very tight on watching the activities of questionable soldiers. I have had several soldiers come to me because they lost their security clearance from DWI's after being in MI.
 
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I bet that MI is wired very tight on watching the activities of questionable soldiers. I have had several soldiers come to me because they lost their security clearance from DWI's after being in MI.
Funny story. When i was in the 5th grade we had assignment to do a report on a country in the world. I was assigned the then Soviet Union. I wrote off the there embassy and they send me a wonderful map and other literature explaining the different countries that made up the union. Needless to say i got an A. Twenty years later i found myself sitting in front of Secret Service agent explaining why my name had been on a socialist mailing list for the past two decades. MI doesnt keep track of questionable soldiers. MI keeps track of ALL soldiers within there branch including there wives.
 

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I found this interactive map here:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/54180

When it loads, click on the "Map The Gangs" tab in the article. See how many gangs are listed on the left of the map...:eek:

You can click your state to see what is happening in your area.
Thanks. I clicked on Texas and all that popped up was the Aryan gangs. I also see Latino and Black gang signs in Dallas and Ft Worth everytime I go there but they are not listed.
 

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So what would happen to the gangs if...

they legalized marijuana and coke?
There would be big corporations selling drugs, it would take a lot of the profits out of the gangs...of course I assumed they don't legalize meth, heroin and some of the nastier drugs, so the gangs would still have those to sell.
 

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I dont know 1SG, i havnt had any dealings with it personally but then again im MI. I have heard that its especially bad here at FT Gordon in the signal branch. My PSG was saying there has been a total of eleven UCMJ actions in the last 6 months for gang activity. Pretty sad.
What in the hell is going on at Ft. Gordon?? I recently had a conversation with a young soldier who had a permanent profile for his back. I was concerned by this since he was so young (20 i think). I questioned him about it and he told me he was jumped by a group of black soldiers WHILE AT AIT at Ft. Gordon!!! He told me that they attacked him because he was hispanic, and that they also attacked at least one drill Sgt. that night. I was utterly dumbfounded that something like this could take place in todays Army.

WTF over?
 

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What in the hell is going on at Ft. Gordon?? I recently had a conversation with a young soldier who had a permanent profile for his back. I was concerned by this since he was so young (20 i think). I questioned him about it and he told me he was jumped by a group of black soldiers WHILE AT AIT at Ft. Gordon!!! He told me that they attacked him because he was hispanic, and that they also attacked at least one drill Sgt. that night. I was utterly dumbfounded that something like this could take place in todays Army.

WTF over?
Its recommended that we travel in groups of three or more when walking on post at night. I remember the case the soldier was talking about. From what i heard it was a case of mistaken identity. The group thought they were attacking a member of a rival group that had jumped them the night before. I just finished talking to my wife and she said she was talking to a DSgt that said he's gotten to the point that he's half afraid to discipline certain soldiers because of fear of retribution. Also she was telling that the same problem was going on at Lewis and Hood. At least thats what she heard. Give it 5 yrs and the Army may be under new management as these members climb the ranks. Heres a few links for some extra reading.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs32/32146/military.htm

http://www.thecommentfactory.com/irregular-army-the-rise-of-gangs-in-the-us-military-2297

heres an excerpt.

The situation had got so bad in 2008 that when the military planned to transfer 10,000 troops to Fort Bliss, Texas, the FBI feared a turf war between “members of the FolkNation gang… [and] a criminal group that is already well-established in the area, Barrio Azteca.” The New York Sun quoted an FBI agent as saying, “FolkNation, which was founded in Chicago and includes several branches using the name Gangster Disciples, has gained a foothold in the Army.”

Whatcha think about that. Gangs with military structure, training, experience in combat, and a fierce loyalty to one another. Now that is a threat.
 

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"join or die" sounds like West African warlords all over again.
 
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If marijuana was legal, then people who want the stuff would have more choices in the market besides people who are lawbreakers in the first place.

These gangs are obviously making money by capitalizing on valuable substances that they have a big monopoly on. They use some money to buy weapons to use in establishing an empire obviously.

Cannabis plants are medicinal and the fibers can be used to make jeans, paper, and many other products (Henry Ford made a prototype car with Hemp bodypanels before the plant was illegalized).

There is no good reason to ban marijuana. I don't consider it to be solely a drug plant in the grand scheme of things. Our ancestors from 150 years ago would agree I reckon.

There is no reason to make any drugs illegal for that matter. If someone wants to do drugs, that is their business.
 
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