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So, here goes my rant/opinions about some of the problems we face and the solutions to them. These are just my opinions and yes, they may offend some. If this happens then stop reading. lol. If you're not afraid to think then go ahead and post with a thoughtful response.

I'll deal with Socialism as I see it in this country, the USA, first. I see Socialism as a way to lower everyones' expectations and performance to the lowest levels of society. It takes achievers and guarantees them nothing more than a slacker is capable of receiving for their efforts or lack thereof. Why bother giving your best if your best will not improve the standard of living for your family? Many would answer that with the answer, "for the greater good." To me, this ignores human nature. Those who will do something for the greater good will do so in a capitalist or socialist society. Those who will not can not be forced to give their best.
What I find comical about Obama supporters is that when Obama promises to level the playing field, taking from those who have money to give to those who do not, people, at least those I know, wrongly assume Obama is talking about taking from the wealthy and giving to THEM. ROTFLMAO. WRONG! If you are not living in the inner city with no job and a crappy standard of living, or you are not a homeless person, then it will be YOU that Obama takes from to give to the truly impoverished. Think about it. Are YOU really representative of the truly impoverished? If not then why on earth would you receive anything when Obama redistributes the wealth? You will not. What will happen is your wealth, no matter how little you consider yourself to have, will be confiscated and redistributed to the truly impoverished in this country. Think homeless people and inner city poverty when you try to figure out where redistributed funds will go. Duh.

Capitalism run amok is what we're starting to experience now, IMHO. And the answer is not socialism. Fighting one extreme with its opposite extreme just isn't the way to go because in the end you wind up with an extreme which doesn't serve the majority well at all.
Capitalism isn't a bad thing. It rewards hard work and achievement with a better style of living and there is nothing wrong with that. Capitalism run amok, on the other hand, does not accomplish this and has the same end result as socialism, which isn't a good thing at all. Capitalism with no restraints allows those with enough money to victimize citizens by controlling the supply of commodities that citizens need for their day-to-day survival. An example would be oil. We have almost no alternatives to purchasing either gasoline or diesel. Since there is no competition, those who control the oil supply can, at any time and without consequences, raise the price of gasoline or diesel at the pump, which effectively removes money from citizens' pockets to make the extremely wealthy more wealthy. Alternatives to gasoline and diesel have been smothered and now companies that control the supply of oil are reducing the standard of living of citizens around the world.
Food is another area where capitalism run amok is a drain on citizens. Here in the USA, much of our food now comes from South America as opposed to our own farms. This makes it easy to control the supply of food, another commodity citizens need for their day-to-day existence. And don't even get me started on hybrid, non-reproducing seeds!:mad: Citizens, for the most part, can not just choose to not buy food. They have to have food to live. If the cost of food is driven up to a level that makes it difficult for the average citizen to afford, those citizens will have been victimized yet again.
Capitalism must have restraints placed upon it or we will see more of the same things we saw with the Rockefeller family back at the beginning of the century. The Rockefeller family made the term, 'company store' famous. This is the family that hired the Pinkerton Security company to come in and murder men, women, and children of employees who worked for the Rockefeller family. After the slaughter of their workers the Federal Government placed constraints upon employers to protect workers. It was no longer legal to murder workers when they didn't obey.:thumb:
Yet now, elites have found another way to victimize people. They consolidate companies that used to compete with one another to provide necessary commodities to consumers and make deals with other elites who have consolidated to raise prices for those necessary commodities. They're eliminating competition, a corner stone of price balancing for consumers.
So, what is the answer? You would think more government control would take care of this. However, large cooperations have literally bought politicians in our government. You vote them in and the cooperations purchase them, making sure they do not represent you and only serve the cooperations.

Again, what is the answer? IMHO, the answer is citizens literally stepping up and doing something about this problem. Don't like paying high prices for gasoline/diesel? How about looking into alcohol production and then actually doing something to bring it into a place where it can compete with gasoline and diesel, up to and including producing it yourself at home or organizing an effort to get local farmers to produce and sell it on a local level? Don't like paying high prices for food? How about starting a garden and selling the surplus at the local farmer's market? Or how about purchasing local grown produce whenever possible? Don't like the price hikes for utilities? How about actually investing, a little at a time, in an alternative source of electricity like solar, wind, or hydro? Or, how about even going so far as to research a new way to provide electricity that hasn't been accomplished yet, if you've got the skills?
Those were just a few suggestions and not, by any means, the only suggestions that might work to break cooperate power over us.

It's going to take 'We The People' to fix this problem, not government. And by 'We The People', I'm not talking about just citizens in the USA. I'm talking about citizens around the world.

The single biggest hindrance to solving our own problems is a belief that we need these cooperations to provide for us. The belief is that We The People are powerless to protect ourselves. Ever hear the term, "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer"? This is a reference to the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor. It's true only as long as We The People allow it to happen.

There are far more excuses to remain in the chains cooperations are busily wrapping around us than there are solutions. But in the end they are just excuses and not valid. "It's too much work." "They will not allow us to fix anything/They'll stop us." "I don't know how to fix it." "Only the government can do something about it." "I don't know enough about this or that to do something about this." These are all excuses to fail and not one of them is insurmountable.

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The system we have is not "capitalism run amok". Please do not blame the current problems on capitalism. If we had a capitalist system, the malinvestment that caused our current system, couldn't have happened.
 

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The system we have is not "capitalism run amok". Please do not blame the current problems on capitalism. If we had a capitalist system, the malinvestment that caused our current system, couldn't have happened.
OK, I'll call it something more to your liking. What would you suggest? BTW, any thoughts on the problems or solutions to propose?
 

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OK, I'll call it something more to your liking. What would you suggest? BTW, any thoughts on the problems or solutions to propose?
The solution is easy. Eliminate the Fed, go back on the gold standard, slash the Federal Budget 90% (bye bye SS, medicare, and medicaid), cut taxes by 40% (until the debt is paid off), eliminate all subsidies, eliminate govt intervention and regulation in the marketplace, and eliminate public education.

That would be a good start.
 

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The solution is easy. Eliminate the Fed, go back on the gold standard, slash the Federal Budget 90% (bye bye SS, medicare, and medicaid), cut taxes by 40% (until the debt is paid off), eliminate all subsidies, eliminate govt intervention and regulation in the marketplace, and eliminate public education.

That would be a good start.
While I agree that the system would be greatly improved, how would you go about accomplishing all that? It would take a powerful force to make those changes. Which powerful force did you have in mind to get this done? As well, the gold standard can be manipulated almost as easily as our fiat currency can now be manipulated by reducing the amount of gold in each coin and calling it the same value. And, the social programs to be eliminated are supported by a large percentage of Americans, which would make eliminating them difficult.
Not saying these obsticles are insurmountable. Just pointing out what would have to be overcome to accomplish that solution. Curious to find out your method for getting it done.
 

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There is nothing wrong in a theoretical society being "extreme", neither is there anything wrong in being an extremist. The problem lies in what you're being extreme about.

The western society is a blend if capitalism and socialism, and all of its problems stem from the socialist half. if you have 100% socialism you get Soviet russia. If you have 90% capitalism you get the industrial revolution. Add some civil rights and zam! - you've got 100% capitalism and the perfect society.


edit: Dammit, read ayn rand. Not some review, and not hastily. Study ayn rand's works.
 

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While I agree that the system would be greatly improved, how would you go about accomplishing all that? It would take a powerful force to make those changes.
Nothing more powerful than voters. In four years, you could change the political landscape 180 degrees. We won't, but the power exists.

As well, the gold standard can be manipulated almost as easily as our fiat currency can now be manipulated by reducing the amount of gold in each coin and calling it the same value.
If gold is money, then coins can come from anywhere. Remove the govt monopoly and problem solved. If the govt, or any competitor clips their coins, they'll drop in value as people refuse to use them or accept them for payment.

And, the social programs to be eliminated are supported by a large percentage of Americans, which would make eliminating them difficult.
Not saying these obstacles are insurmountable. Just pointing out what would have to be overcome to accomplish that solution. Curious to find out your method for getting it done.
Public scorn. If everyone who doesn't get a welfare check treats all those that do as the worthless, bottom dwelling, diseased pustules that they are, the percentage of Americans on welfare would drop. Once you have a majority, then who cares if they whine.

P.S. Want to know how to starve a farmer? Nail his mailbox shut.
 

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The problems that we face today is that big business wants it both ways. They want capitalism on the way up when they are making record profits. And they want socialism bailing them out when they are on the way down as the CEO makes a fast exit stage left with his millions.

We shouldn’t let them sail off into the sunset while we are left with the bills to clean up their mess! I say we should hold these guys accountable, hunt them down like war criminals and make them pay one way or another!
 

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The problems that we face today is that big business wants it both ways. They want capitalism on the way up when they are making record profits. And they want socialism bailing them out when they are on the way down as the CEO makes a fast exit stage left with his millions.

We shouldn’t let them sail off into the sunset while we are left with the bills to clean up their mess! I say we should hold these guys accountable, hunt them down like war criminals and make them pay one way or another!
Best Revilo post ever. we agree
 

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The solution is easy. Eliminate the Fed, go back on the gold standard, slash the Federal Budget 90% (bye bye SS, medicare, and medicaid), cut taxes by 40% (until the debt is paid off), eliminate all subsidies, eliminate govt intervention and regulation in the marketplace, and eliminate public education.

That would be a good start.
What, you mean follow the Constitution? That's crazy talk. :thumb:
 

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Big business is not just Republican. Check it out. Wall Street has more Dems, from what I understand.

Who want tax payers on payrolls? It's auto payroll deduction. Dems hate small business.
 
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