[Lagnar]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/29/new-california-law-makes-buying-ammo-a-lot-harder/

I had no idea it was that bad.

The measure also prohibits driving ammunition across state lines, and institutes background checks for anyone looking to purchase bullets. The law requires sellers to track ammo sales electronically and submit records to the DOJ to be stored in the “Ammunition Purchase Records File.”

Buy ammo and you are on "The List".

Will there be car searches at the borders? I see the ammo smuggling business booming in the future. Maybe instead of drugs the mexican cartels can switch to .22LR.

 

[Pitbull_Dallas]

The DOJ may not accept the ammo information. I read something somewhere a while back that said they weren't really interested. Seems though they are talking about the California DOJ, which is a different story.

Wonder it the supreme court would consider the requirements as infringing..

 

[240Geezer]

I sorta smuggle ammo now.
From Live Free or Die State to The People's Republic.
LOL not really.
I just procure some .22 standard velocity CCI for my boss when he can't find it.
(That's what his gun "likes" in pistol league competition )

 

[Hyperglo]

Yup. Been screaming about it in other threads... even started my own earlier in the year. People don’t seem to care. I ordered a bunch of ammo awhile back. The ammo is how they plan on catching people who haven’t registered guns.

They passed a law stating that it’s illegal to purchase ammo for calibers that aren’t registers to you. It’s illegal to purchase ammo for others and illegal to borrow or loan firearms; basically making impossible to justify a purchase of a caliber not registered to you.

So say Johnny law-abiding citizen built a perfectly legal AR-10, but doesn’t own any other .308 firearms. Then the whack jobs decide to mess with the laws regarding the scary black rifle yet again, and Johnny decides he refuses to bastardize the firearm or register it as required.

Johnny decides he wants some more ammo for the “ghost gun” and gets jammed up at the counter. “Sorry, you don’t have a .308 registered to you, so which law are you breaking?” Red flag is sent to the California DOJ.

How this hasn’t enraged gun owners in California, I’ll never know. The struggle is real and I’m growing tired of it. Hopefully my situation will change and I can either enjoy the newly formed state of Jefferson or be in position to get out by spring 2019.

 

[Lagnar]

not suggesting anything illegal or anything, but the california/nevada border goes right through Lake Tahoe.

:taped::taped::taped::taped::taped:

Too bad Mike Vanderboegh isn't still around.

 

[богдан]

Components my dude.

Thats your loophole not ammo till you put it together

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Components will unfortunately be next in California. Just give them time. There will be limits on the number of primers and amount of powder you can buy.

This is the kind of liberal progressive crap that makes me sick and forever thankful I had the foresight during my first marriage to NOT succumb to my former wife's desire to move to CA. She was a San Diego girl.

California has become the model of the utopian socialist wet dream. At least the porn stars can continue to screw without condoms and starting tomorrow retail sales of marijuana begin.

https://apnews.com/7bbbf9b552d4470d...high-as-California-rolls-out-retail-pot-sales

ETA: if I am reading the new law correctly, I could be in violation of it simply by attending the PacFleet Matches on board Camp Pendleton since I would be transporting ammunition across state lines. So chances are no more participation in the Fleet Matches.

 

[justin22885]

hasnt the supreme court already established that ammunition counts as "arms" and that trying to force somebody to register ammunition would be unconstitutional, and that recording sales in that manner to be a form of registration and why the feds are SUPPOSED to delete NICS information?.. seems california is openly and knowingly violating the constitution again...

there really needs to be penalties for elected officials and their employees that violate the constitution, whether intentional or not because theres no risk and nothing to lose, and a chance it wont be challenged

 

[PurpleKitty]

Now, that's not coming to Texas anytime soon.

But I had considered, you know my "deal", I can't own a gun with my life the way it is. Last night my husband got drunk and tried to climb under the sink, thinking it was his bed. I can only imagine him drunk around any sort of weapon, not counting my crazy.

Anyway (shut up, Heather!), I had considered buying some ammo to use for barter, but decided against it. Can you imagine what would happen if I went on the radar buying ammo? I would have the mental health intervention team (a very nice group of people) at my door in no time flat.

 

[Pitbull_Dallas]

hasnt the supreme court already established that ammunition counts as "arms" and that trying to force somebody to register ammunition would be unconstitutional, and that recording sales in that manner to be a form of registration and why the feds are SUPPOSED to delete NICS information?.. seems california is openly and knowingly violating the constitution again...

there really needs to be penalties for elected officials and their employees that violate the constitution, whether intentional or not because theres no risk and nothing to lose, and a chance it wont be challenged

Hense my earlier comment/wonder about if the Supreme's would consider the law an infringement..

 

[MikeK]

Components will unfortunately be next in California. Just give them time.

The wording makes it sound like they are already counting components also.

"The measure also prohibits driving ammunition across state lines, and institutes background checks for anyone looking to purchase bullets. "

Unless it was some ignoramus saying bullets when he means ammo. But since it's in the same sentence, it makes it seem like separate items.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I will make it a point to read the actual law and not the interpretation of the law as posted on some forum.

Since the new law apparently prohibits transporting ammo across state lines that means I am definitely done attending the PacFleet Matches (sorry Navy guys involved with this program. You do run a good match.) but I also wonder if it means California dealers such as Miwall who travel to gun shows will be affected. Creedmoor Sports and CSS both moved out because of the stupidity. I spoke with both Dennis Demille and Gary Eliseo about it. CA is just too gun unfriendly.

 

[Harmless Drudge]

The wording makes it sound like they are already counting components also.

"The measure also prohibits driving ammunition across state lines, and institutes background checks for anyone looking to purchase bullets. "

Unless it was some ignoramus saying bullets when he means ammo. But since it's in the same sentence, it makes it seem like separate items.

Where imprecision of language meets confusion of constructive intent meets volume of verbiage meets complexification, that's where the laws allow for themselves to be reconstructed/misconstrued as a "living document."

Here in CT, for example, they proscriptively banned, by name, several models of firearms, and their copies. The list has a series of models of AK, including the "Type 56." Because that is also the model designation of a certain SKS, the state is still up in their air as to whether they are going to prosecute owners of SKSs.

Of course, leftists love laws that can be reconstrued, because it allows them to apply the laws selectively, targeting people they don't like, while giving a pass to those they do like. It allows them to weaponize the enforcement of the law for political and personal reasons, and even empowers them to entrap people by maintaining one policy with the intent of "discovering" another.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

CT is another one of those states where the left outnumbers the right and they make it clear that "your kind isn't welcome here". A good friend of mine is originally from CT and he summed it up very well when we were all discussing the CT AWB:

"The objective of the CT AWB is not crime control, it is political control.

The real goal is to make the CT even more solidly blue. With that done, it is easier to accomplish the real goal - stealing and redistributing your wealth.

Passing the AWB was a way for the controlling party to weaken the opposition and consolidate power. Period. You were a target of opportunity.

The purpose of these types of laws is to make you to exercise Option 1 in order to ensure that Option 2 is completely impossible on all fronts. While I don't presume to speak to your individual political leanings, the fact is that gun owners are a GOP leaning group. The purpose of the AWB was to send a clear message to you and everyone who might share your likely opinions about how your state should be run:

• If you live here, GTFO. Take your friends with you. Leave your voter registration cards at the state line. Can't leave? You are disenfranchised roadkill. STHFU and be sure you pay up on April 15.

• If you don't live here, stay the hell out - we don't want people like you here because you make Option 2 more likely.

Red states do the same thing. "Bathroom Gender" laws are more about keeping liberals out of the jurisdiction than keeping perverts out of the stalls.

Welcome to cultural warrior politics."

California has set the standard for all other good little progressive states to follow.

 

[bound for glory]

I feel for you lot in CA. Really.

We bought our home in PA 12 years ago, as we could'nt afford to buy in our home state of New Jersey. Got a nice place not far from the PA/NJ boarder.

I still hate PA. But the one saving grace? Yup. GUNS, GUNS, GUNS! And no one cares a whit:thumb:

Can't have that in the garden state...

 

[ImStillHere]

No more sinking boats

Prop 63 also ......The boating accident claim wont work in Ca either. A weapon if lost and not disclosed within 5 days, is a crime. So when they knock on your door, it had to have happened that week.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/BOF4546NLIP0209.pdf

 

[богдан]

The wording makes it sound like they are already counting components also.

"The measure also prohibits driving ammunition across state lines, and institutes background checks for anyone looking to purchase bullets. "

Unless it was some ignoramus saying bullets when he means ammo. But since it's in the same sentence, it makes it seem like separate items.

So buy primers and casings. And be green and recycle those evil kead wheel weights

 

[MikeK]

So buy primers and casings. And be green and recycle those evil kead wheel weights

Eh, it's none of my concern. California is a lost cause. About the only thing we could do is wall it off and expel it from the union.

My only concern is they spread like cancer into the other states and cause rot wherever they settle. Colorado for example. It's not far behind. If they want to ruin their own state, who am I to try to stop it. But they need to keep it to themselves and out of the rest of the country.

 

[богдан]

Eh, it's none of my concern. California is a lost cause. About the only thing we could do is wall it off and expel it from the union.

My only concern is they spread like cancer into the other states and cause rot wherever they settle. Colorado for example. It's not far behind. If they want to ruin their own state, who am I to try to stop it. But they need to keep it to themselves and out of the rest of the country.

I say give it back to mexico. We got all the gold and crap anyway.

 

[sixtus]

Eh, it's none of my concern. California is a lost cause. About the only thing we could do is wall it off and expel it from the union.

My only concern is they spread like cancer into the other states and cause rot wherever they settle.

100% that's the problem Mike. United you stand, divided you fall. When people say "who cares, screw those kommies in kalifornia". The anti-gun lobby answers " Thanks, we did " .

I'm always amazed US citizens that defend liberty for any single American on the globe, and support losing US lives fighting
in foreign countries to assist their liberty, have little concern for a fellow state of actual Americans losing their liberties.

I never thought I would see it.