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Hi, I have an opportunity to buy a bushmaster AR . I know nothing about these . I was told that the rifle is the XM15 A2 version. It originally had a 14 inch barrel that was shortened by a smith to a ten inch barrel . I was also told that the carry handle is non removable to attach a rail mount .

Are these any good? What are the pros and cons ?
 

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The only con of bushmaster rifles is a 1x9 twist, other then that they are MIL-SPEC. Bushmaster just earned a contract with the US Navy or so Ive heard.
 

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Just add a Chrome-lined barrel that is chambered in 5.56, and has a 1 turn in 7" twist rate, and you're good to go.
 

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Personally I like the 1 in 9. They handle 55 or 62 grain ammo well. That can't be said for the 1 in 12s or 1 in 7s.
The Bushmasters I have been around have been pretty good.
 

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Personally I like the 1 in 9. They handle 55 or 62 grain ammo well. That can't be said for the 1 in 12s or 1 in 7s.
The Bushmasters I have been around have been pretty good.
I believe you are mistaken, 55grain is the bottom end of what a 1x7 can handle. In fact the military used this configuration for years before switching to 62grain. Israel currently uses some 55grain in 1x7 twist barrels with no problems. I use 55grain in all my 1x7 twist with great results. The 1x12 can handle 55grain as well but its the top end of what they can handle.

55 grain is the midrange of a 1x9 twist, it can also handle lighter varmint loads (Absolutely no use to me) and it can handle up to about 69grain top end.

The 1x7 twist can handle the 77grain MK262 MOD1 and MOD0 as well as 55grain, I have even used 80grain single loaded as they are longer then 2.260 overall.

The military has never used a 1x9 twist. 1x9 was made so that people could shoot the lighter earlier made rounds when they were still available and be able to use the current 62 grain ss109.
 
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I had a Bushmaster when I was in the Army for my own personal sport rifle and except for the lack of a flash suppressor and burst setting, it was identical to my service weapon which I never shot less than a 39 out of 40 with at 300meter pop-up courses. I was saddened when my commander made me give up owning a personal weapon because at that time I was looking into joining a competition team. I even scouted out a group on Fort Benning that competes and they had mostly Bushmaster, but a couple of Olympic Arms. A competition level Bushmaster is one of the coolest things I've ever fired. I think it is what people refer to as a hair trigger because pulling the trigger is as easy as breathing.

That said, I don't know the pros and cons of the various civilian M16s out there. I owned a Bushmaster and I can say that I never had a jam and I could fire accurately up to 600m with iron sites(max the range I practiced on allowed). It was a 20 inch and not an M4 model. I don't know what the actual model is referred to nowadays.
 

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Panderson,
Why wouldn't your commander allow you to have a personal weapon? That doesn't make sense to me.
 

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I believe the bushmaster lowers won't accept "oralite mags"
 

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I like my bushmaster, no complaints.

Bushmaster won a contact with the Texas Department of Public Safety to supply their AR-15's.

http://www.gtdist.com/TXDPS-AR15.htm
This is the same rifle (except for TX DPS Markings) that passed the Texas D.P.S. torture test and is now being issued to Texas D.P.S. troopers. 3,400 of these rifles have been ordered from GT Distributors by Texas D.P.S., the largest purchase of an AR15/M4 weapon outside of a Federal Agency Purchase.
 

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Panderson,
Why wouldn't your commander allow you to have a personal weapon? That doesn't make sense to me.

It was '94 or '95 and I was stationed at Ft Benning, I took a couple of guys from the unit to the range on Ft Benning and word got around that I was a great shot and owned an M16. A Sgt from another squad brought it up to the commander that I had an ammo can. So that's when the confiscation took place and itt started out that my commander simply wanted to inspect my ammunition(because it was in an GI Ammo Can) and ensure that my having a weapon was legal. I had no problem with that. Starting out it was going to be held over the weekend. I waited until the next wednesday to ask and she said one more weekend. After another week or two I asked to see the commander about them withholding the rifle and a week later my answer came when my Sgt told me that she said I was not allowed to have it and that I have to sell it. We were working out a plan where I was going to sell it to someone for a dollar and then they could give it back to me but I said "screw that" and went to JAG. If any of you in the military never delt with JAG, they are less than interested in working with you. I was a Specialist at the time and they were telling me that, while in the service, it is up to your commander as to whether you can possess a firearm. Under contract by the Army, blah blah blah. They did give me my ammo back.

So what really happened? I really don't know. I know my Captain was fresh out of Officer school. My squad wasn't particularly close to the Captain as we were at the ammunition bunkers while the main offices were back next to Airborne school(i'm sure Screaming Eagle knows where I'm talking about. Cardiac Hill is just up the road from there). I didn't have much support from the Sgts and I think it is because they had never encountered something like this before.

I have speculation about it; This was following up on the event at Ft Bragg where someone had started shooting at people during PT with his personal weapon. Along with my MOS: 55Bravo (Ammunition supply / BB counter) and my particular bunker was the small arms ammunition including millions of rounds of 5.56mm. Long story short, I think that my command was erring on the side of caution.

I saw the comment about not buying it, and that's fine. I could post unit, names, and ranks involved, but honestly, it's neither here nor there. Here's what I walked away from the experience *knowing.* If it ever comes down to martial law, I don't believe the government will hold back for a second in disarming the citizens it knows has weapons. They did it to me with a smile and a handshake and a "We'll get this back to you by monday" and i was just a soldier who bought a rifle to be a better soldier.

ADD: And just to let you know, I LOVE the Army. One of the best times of my life.
 

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Beaterar,

Can you explain a bit more about how 'twist' works? A standard bushmaster for instance has a 1x9 twist and a competition model has a 1x8 twist "to support heavier competition ammunition." What does twist indicate/
 

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What does twist indicate/
The twist is how many times your bullet "twist" or "turns" inside the barrel.

A 1 in 9, means the bullet turns 360 degrees in 9 inches - one complete turn in 9 inches.

Some twist are better for certain types or weights of bullets.
 

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IMHO Bushmaster is one of the better AR manufacturers out there (unless we are talking about .308's, then no). If I had to pick a twist I'd go with the 1:7. There's nothing wrong with the 1:9 and it will shoot fine but probably I wouldn't shoot the heavier grain bullets through it (.7x) if the target mattered. I've had a varmint model Bushy for about 8-9 years (1:8) and it still works as well today as the day I got it and it does have a few thousand through it.
 

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Wow. 5 yr old thread you dug up.

Fwiw, I have one Bushy 16" carbine. Another 11.5" CAR15 with a Bushy upper since 1983ish. Have never ever had a malfunction from either. Never.
 
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