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So i have decided to invest in a bug out vehicle and after lots of research i have narrowed it down to a diesel station wagon made between 1975 and 1985. I like these because they are generally more affordable cause lets face it...nobody want them, and for fuel efficiency, gas tank size, EMP protection, and interior size reasons. The problem i'm having is that i cant find them ANYWHERE! You cant exactly look on autotrader.com, they cut there vehicles off at 1980,and even then they have almost nothing from that long ago. The next option seemed to be looking at classic car websites...but they, by nature of being "classic" in title, are way jacked up on their prices. Does anyone know of a website or anywhere online to look for this type of vehicle? i would really appreciate some resources. Also, or if not, if anyone has any suggestions for other vehicles that meet this same criteria that I'm looking for that might be more readily available i would love to hear about that too.
 

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Craigslist. If there isn't one for sale in your area check for listings in your neighboring state.
Seems like Florida is a great place to find certain cars. Grandpa moved to Florida when he retired, he died off and none of the kids like that "old car" so they sell it off.
Certain models can be found here with low miles for cheap money with no rust.

If you're talking about the old Mercedes diesel wagons I admire your taste. They run forever, from what I hear can run on anything, and they actually make HUGE power by playing with the tune and turbo size. Check out this video for a little gratuitous car porn

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=24afjVqm2Uw
 

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I don't have advice as to where to find said diesel wagon (I found mine on Craigslist), but wanted to share that I daily-drove an '80 Mercedes 5-cyl. diesel (normally-aspirated) for a couple years. I really enjoyed the vehicle, and even made my own ASTM-qualtiy biodiesel for a while.

A couple thoughts/opinions (worth what you paid for them :D:):
  1. I'm not sure if you're looking at Mercedes, or something different (my only experience is with Mercedes), but the "nobody wants them" comment is not the case at all. They have a following, for sure.
  2. While the engines run a long time, they're definitely a "hands-on" kind of car in regards to maintenance. Parts are VERY expensive. For example, my radiator was still working, but needing replacement soon. The replacement part alone was $500, whereas I could replace a radiator in a Jeep Cherokee for $80 (new price). I did have to replace the starter, and that too was ridiculously-expensive. Ultimately, the "nickel & dime" stuff combined with high parts costs led me to get rid of the vehicle. It was fun to drive, though, and my kids loved the rear-facing "way back" seat.

If you're mechanically-inclined, and enjoy this type of maintenance work, go for it; it certainly seems to meet your BOV criteria. If that's not the case, I'd certainly research and learn about these things if you're going to pursue this type of vehicle. Again, if you're referring to something other than a Mercedes, none of this may apply.

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You can find old Massy Ferguson’s tractors with the 4.2 perkins. Those engines are probably the most reliable ever made. They also used them in multiple forklifts and the US army used them to run the diesel generators. Angle cutter and a welder they will go into anything. They can be hand spun and operate without a battery and you can abuse the **** out of them.
 

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Hopefully you are NOT talking about any vehicle with the GM 350 diesel that was based on a converted gas engine.

Though truth be told from what I understand the last year or two of those were okay, as they had worked the bugs out but by then the public relations damage had been done and GM killed the line.
 

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If you are talking American made, stay away from the early years of the car diesels. They were in a hurry to get them on the market and in doing so, rather than design a dedicated deisel, they converted/modified gas engines for their purpose. They had a bad habit of puking rods and damaging pistons. My Dad bought an early Oldsmobile with the deisel and went through three engines before he finally sold it. Both failures were without warning. Just driving along and bang, instant lockup due to a rod failure..
 

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We have a couple of VW TDI'S in the family , one 14 and one 15.
The 14 is highly tuned and will throw you back in the seat and still get 50mpg on a trip (last yr before def also).
The 15 is stock (and last year before dieselgate) and combined mpg's never less than 40 but typically 44+, so 800+ miles or so on a tank.
Something to think about if you got to get far out of Dodge with no one manning the pumps.

I've been on the fence about a BMW X5D , 09-13 is supposed to be good years for a tune.
Like has been said more maintenance on a diesel (I'll do my own) and pricey parts for the German ones, but I don't believe the VW parts are nearly as nutty as BMW or Mercedes.

SHTF and I think diesel will be more readily available than gasoline.
 

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A lot of these older vehicles are just getting harder and more expensive to find. They are also frankly just about wore out generally.

At some point, it may be easier to just build what you want from scratch...
 

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I bought a 2007 gl320 cdi a few months ago for $6,700

Gets 22-25mpg on the highway.
600 mile range fuel tank
As big as a Tahoe with third row
All wheel drive
Adjustable ride height suspension
PRE def fluid Diesel engine. V6 out of a sprinter
Has a 7k lb hitch capacity
Rides like a dream

Parts are hellaciously expensive for it, but the wife loves it and will do our family just fine.
 

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Something else to consider, since you specify a bug-out vehicle. Those station wagons aren't going anywhere once the roads are jammed or washed out and the only option is cross country. Also something as simple as needing to hop a curb or power over some downed tree limbs isn't going to happen.
 

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Sounds like a reasonable plan if you can find one for a decent price. Myself, I want four wheel drive in my BOV, so I ended up with a '92 Geo Tracker (see avatar) for $1,800.
 

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You can find old Massy Ferguson’s tractors with the 4.2 perkins. Those engines are probably the most reliable ever made. They also used them in multiple forklifts and the US army used them to run the diesel generators. Angle cutter and a welder they will go into anything. They can be hand spun and operate without a battery and you can abuse the **** out of them.
In good condition you will be well served with a 4x4 aka front assist farm tractor/industrial tractor and a trailer. It is like a swiss army knife with the front loader.
 

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2 Diesel 1982 Mercedes wagons on the list right now in Portland. OR..

https://portland.craigslist.org/search/cta?query="diesel+station+wagon"
Neat thing about the old MB 300D is it's possible to push / pull start them using a hill or another vehicle.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/249074-possible-push-start-automatic-300d.html


Ebay cars is another place to search for older vehicles. I'd like a 240D Mercedes (Baghdad Taxi) with a manual transmission.
 

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Shouldn’t your “bug out “ vehicle..... be your everyday driver ?

A well maintained... roomy... comfortable vehicle
All these old 30 year old vehicles are very high maintenance and not so dependable
Repair parts are not as cheap as you think they are ....and not readily available.

And if the SHTF ....YouTube will be not working......lol.

Just saying.....
 

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