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Ok here's the deal, my Wife, kids and I live on the east coast and the rest of my family live on the west coast. My mom has 7 acres in the mountains with a complete off grid house, an ideal BOL.

Our current location is basically suburbia about 60 miles south of a major metro area. We have a house with a decent sized backyard. Not exactly an ideal BOL.

Here's your assignment:

Get my family across the country (2719 miles) in a nation wide long term SHTF scenario. Forget about whether or not we should make the trip, give your opinion on that after you come up with a plan to make it there. What equipment do I need, what do I need stockpiled, how do I gas up, everything.

I would be traveling with my buddy and his family to about the halfway point (Ohio) so I can conceivably refuel and restock there. I have a 4 door Chevy Colorado Z71 offroad suspension with tow package (only 2wd though). I also have twin 2yo boys so you have to keep that in mind if shtf tomorrow (although this they will get older). Get creative I want to hear how you would do it. Money is an issue so don't get crazy saying I need a decom huey, apc or something like that. Keep it reasonable and achievable. Let's kick this off.
 

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there's a Jerry D Young story about a family that dies that.. they had caches all along their route...

offhand, you'd need multiple routes already planned out to be safe... but you'd also have to hope that the route your cache is on is also one you can take... 2700 miles is a looong haul in an unpredictable environment.. lots of variables that you can't even plan for... or can if you have the $$...

honestly.... I'd say your best bet is to be proactive and try and anticipate an event... and leave as early as you can... to cut some of that distance down, and get ahead of the wave..
 

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What state do you live in on the East Coast?

Personally, it will be hard enough making it 40 miles when the SHTF. In Urban environments, it might take you days just to get a few blocks with your life.

The task seems near impossible.

You would need some sort of transportation that would be able to make it. Doing it on foot isn't going to happen.

Perhaps a boat and one hell of a long trip, or a plane.
 

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What state do you live in on the East Coast?
VA.

Personally, it will be hard enough making it 40 miles when the SHTF. In Urban environments, it might take you days just to get a few blocks with your life.
I think in the early stages of SHTF we can make some good distance. They aren't just going to throw up the burning tire roadblocks in the first few hours. Also back roads would be a must.


You would need some sort of transportation that would be able to make it. Doing it on foot isn't going to happen.

Perhaps a boat and one hell of a long trip, or a plane.
We'd be in our truck.
 

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It is easy enough to stock up a few days of food and water for a 3-4 day trip accross the country. That part is obvious, and will not provide you any problems.

The problem I see is that in any real SHTF event that would require you to bug out across the entire country, there is simply no way you will be getting gas more than 1 or 2 times no matter how much money you have. The gas will simply be gone from all the stations. Any gas that may be available for sale will be insanely expensive, probably 10x-100x the pre-SHTF cost.

Doing rough math using the 14 MPG I get in my Dodge Ram, you will need around 193 gallons of gas to make it 2700 miles, so let's round up to 200 gallons to be safe. At $3 per gallon you are looking at $600 just to drive that distance in today's economy, and likely 10x-100x in a post-SHTF economy if gas is somehow still available. Do you have $6k-$60k you can commit to gasoline?

Depending on the size of your tank, you will be refueling about 8 times. That is 8 times you must stop, wait in a line for gas (if any is available), and barter for the gas you want to buy. Every time you stop and do this is a prime chance to be attacked and looted. Needless to say, stopping is not going to be a good idea, and will surely be an unpleasant experience.

The only viable option I see is to somehow cache gasoline every 300-350 miles (the rough max range of your truck on a tank of gas) along your route. You would need to hide 25 gallons of gas in 5 gallon tanks so. You would need to use a stabilizer in the gas and still change it out every few months, which means several cross country trips each year at $1200 per trip ($600 each way) just to refresh the gas in your stocks. If even one cache is raided you will be stuck, so you may want to think about doubling up or something.

This is why I advocate the max distance you can live from your BOL is about the range of your vehicle on one tank of gas. In a real SHTF event requiring you to bug out, you won't be filling up your tank more than once.
 

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Get out now if you are concerned or determined to make the west coast your BOL.
It would take probable two day under good conditions. If you figure major utility, communication, transportation, social failures your just asking for trouble. If you wait you had better be prepared to put your family's lives on the line.

Emp attack: even if your vehicle runs getting fuel would be an issue and a running vehicle in another wise non-functioning area would make you a target. My bug out plans include having to walk.

plague, virus whatever: you can bet the road blocks would be up in a hurry. Do you have your vaccination shots with documentation to get passed the guards If they will allow travel which is unlikely.

If this is nation wide the longer you wait the more desperate things may become. I see no way to plan for such a long trip without up to date information about the route to be taken. To many variables and risks, to easy to drive in to a bad situation.

Without multiple routes with multiple caches $$$ at self storage units or other easy access locations (GPS may be down and things look different after a disaster) it would seem to me to be a fools errand.
 

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Ok here's the deal, my Wife, kids and I live on the east coast and the rest of my family live on the west coast. My mom has 7 acres in the mountains with a complete off grid house, an ideal BOL.

Our current location is basically suburbia about 60 miles south of a major metro area. We have a house with a decent sized backyard. Not exactly an ideal BOL.

Here's your assignment:

Get my family across the country (2719 miles) in a nation wide long term SHTF scenario. Forget about whether or not we should make the trip, give your opinion on that after you come up with a plan to make it there. What equipment do I need, what do I need stockpiled, how do I gas up, everything.

I would be traveling with my buddy and his family to about the halfway point (Ohio) so I can conceivably refuel and restock there. I have a 4 door Chevy Colorado Z71 offroad suspension with tow package (only 2wd though). I also have twin 2yo boys so you have to keep that in mind if shtf tomorrow (although this they will get older). Get creative I want to hear how you would do it. Money is an issue so don't get crazy saying I need a decom huey, apc or something like that. Keep it reasonable and achievable. Let's kick this off.

Talk about worst case scenerios. OK, how about making a vacation trip now, taking a few things , as much as you can in the back of your truck and actually taking the smaller highways as much as you can. Then you can put it at your mom's place in a 20' convex or so and lock it up Now , for the real trip, plan on haveing to go the southern route, as I have done the northern route through the dead of winter and it is really bad. Get old maps of each state you would need to travel through and look for the dirt roads through each state. You would not want or most likely be able to travel on the main roads. Besides the traffic you could also encounter road blocks from both the un friendly gob'ment and also local hostiles. But, traveling the most unlikely roads will also mean more milage for your truck to need gas for. Also plan on at least two spare tires, tire plug kit and a small air compressor. 12 volt would do. You would also want a good size camper SHELL on your truck, not a cab over camper as they weigh to much. Also figure about 60-100 gal of water and at least 50 gal of extra gas, which would be min. Thats taking into consideration that you get about 20mph in your truck. Its a start.
 

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Cpl. Pt 2 Now as far as food goes, yea I know they taste like shi. but MR'Es would be my choice for the several days you would need them. Easy to pack a couple of cases in and also eliminates the need to make fire etc. You would not be expending a lot of energy just sitting and driving so you could get by on one full meal aday, and maybe something to munch on like potatoe chips etc. Keep in mind with your wife and two kids and your self, you already have close to 400 lbs in your truck. Add 60 gal water , figure another 500 lbs and then even with just 50 gal of gas and another 420 lbs. Add another 60 lbs or so for the second spare and you see where your at. A small utility trailer with a lightweight alum. camper shell on it would solve a lot of your problems right off the bat. If you try and travel any lighter then that, you will be stranded on the side of the road and now you become a target and most likely a looter. We all know what happens to either of those choices now don't we. You have a hard row to hoe young man. Wish you the best of luck. Plan carefully or you won't even have a chance.
 

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convert that tuck to run on propain and gas, get an extra tank in the back of it and learn how to fuel it from a standard house propane tank. And, you are gonna have to cross some major rivers. Depending on what has happened, bridges may be out of the question. Learn ferry crossings. Most of them have a bridge close so you have options there. You said mountains on the west coast so I am guessing Northern Cali, Oregan, Washington area, so here goes:81 to 77, 77 to 64, 64 to71, 71 to 70. Stopping in Denver gives you the option to take 25 north to 80. If N. Cali is where you are going. Take 5 from 80 in Sacromento. 5 also gives you west coast of Oregon and into Washington. BUT, If you want to stay out of California, after you pick up 25 N in denver, run it up to 90/94 inBillings, Montana, 90 W to 82. Now if you are going south out of Va, 81 S to 40 W and stand on it. But I would not want to get close to that border in a shtf moment so be safe on 40. When you come thru Mo., look for the only light on, I'll be up I'm sure.
 

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And if all else fails, have two bikes in the back of the truck both equipped with trailers. One takes the boys and some supplies and the other takes all the water and energy bars you can handle. Get those legs in shape :)

And as many maps (road and topo) as you can carry.
 

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a 3,000 mile bug out!

wow I thought my Bug out plan which is 750 miles is too far.

So why do you live in the east anyway? Sell out and move west then you dont have far to go.Just a thought.
BUT what if Yellowstone goes?!?!? That thing scares the crap out of me. Used to drive all over up in them parts. One little shake and I would about freeeek out. Are there any posts on Yellowstone here?
 

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LOL well I currently am prepared to make a 2400mile bug out. and have planed it by foot. I have driven from South Carolina to Seattle with multiple drivers and VERY minimul stop's in 72hrs 10min. yes the speed limit all the way. I recomend the southern routes as well as there are more places to cross the mississippi. you will need to do that. and many more water points. have a good purifier. also 55gal drum of water in back of truck and snow chains, thats chains not cables.. that will get you anywhere with two wheel drive. MRE's for food and backup bikes. good luck. or just move ahead of time.
 

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I suggest trading your gas pickup for a diesel. The older Dodge with the 12 valve cummins engines are quite inexpensive a get over 25 mpg on the highway. Look for the 5 or 6 sp new venture manual trans and 3.55 ratio gears. Add a 200 gal aux tank in the bed and some lockable storage.

You are still going to have to get a full day jump on the crowd. I believe this is likely if your whole family is all prepared to go. Drive to Ohio in one long day. Start off very early and cross the Mississippi river well south of St Louis before dawn and keep to the center on the country. I would cross the Rockies on Interstate 80 just to avoid Denver.

I would not say you cannot make it. You will need to carry enough fuel to avoid stopping at gas stations and you will need some luck as well. Basically, I believe that the average sheeple will remain frozen in fear for 24-48 hours. I also believe the government response to block travel and shut down news and communication will take most of a week.

But hey, this is all guess work. No super power like the US has fallen suddenly since 480 AD.
 

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This one is a real challenge. But it is doable with some planning. By way of experience, in 2002 I loaded up the family in a 31’ RV for 12 weeks. We drove 17,500 miles hitting 44 states and all 30 Major League Baseball Parks. The tickets were pre purchased so scheduling was important.

Some of these thoughts are obvious. The idea is to get there quickly and safely. My ideas may not be the cheapest, they just rolled out of my head.

1. Figure out 3 routes across the country on a big US map. Go over each of these routes looking for potential problems. Big cities that can’t be gone around, rivers and bridges, especially drawbridges, etc. Google Earth is your friend for now.

2. Know what states you will cross and contact their visitor’s bureau and request an information packet. Maps and other goodies still come in the mail from some of them.

3. Get state maps of every state you will cross and mark the routes you plan to take. A good US Atlas book will do.

4. Know the range of your vehicle and keep it tuned up.

5. Install an extended tank in your vehicle and add enough spare cans to refill once.

6. Along your pre-planned route, stash a complete refill of stabilized fuel, along with food, ammo and anything else you might need along the way. Clean underwear and clothes, etc I’d look for secure and out of the way Self Storage Units and always keep the rent paid and the locks strong. I might even beef up the doors. Do this at about 75% of your fuel endurance.

7. Every chance you get and put fuel in your tank and food in your belly. Stop at every stash and collect fuel and other supplies.

8. As others have mentioned, it’s a good idea to try to get a head start on any problems. The sooner you can get out of town, the better chance you have of avoiding the snarl of traffic.

9. Get a scanner and a book with all of the Law Enforcement radio frequencies. Have the frequencies programmed in so you are rolling from one frequency to the next. Try to find out what mutual aid frequency they might be using too. State Patrol, City and County might combine on one frequency in a disaster.

10. I once went 1350 miles with a buddy in 19 hours. Sacramento, CA to almost Pocatello, ID and back. That was during “peace time” and food & fuel was readily available. If all went well, you might be able to get it done in 50+ hours, with a relief driver.

11. I’d travel very light with most of my preps already at the BOL. Consider having somebody at the BOL meet you at a pre determined point at the last leg with enough fuel and a fresh driver to get you the last leg. That eliminates one fuel and food drop.

12. Final thought. Every freeway entrance to California has an Agricultural Inspection Station inside the border. How easily could those be turned into a police or military check point. I don’t think there is one on Interstate 50 coming in from Lake Tahoe’s South Shore.

13. Stashing fuel and other supplies would require you make the drive at least once. Take a 3-4 week vacation and see the USA in a Chevrolet. Pictures and GPS coordinates to record potential problems.

I think you could do it, but it's pushing your luck. Too many unknowns.
 

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I suggest trading your gas pickup for a diesel. The older Dodge with the 12 valve cummins engines are quite inexpensive a get over 25 mpg on the highway. Look for the 5 or 6 sp new venture manual trans and 3.55 ratio gears. Add a 200 gal aux tank in the bed and some lockable storage.

You are still going to have to get a full day jump on the crowd. I believe this is likely if your whole family is all prepared to go. Drive to Ohio in one long day. Start off very early and cross the Mississippi river well south of St Louis before dawn and keep to the center on the country. I would cross the Rockies on Interstate 80 just to avoid Denver.

I would say you cannot make it. You will need to carry enough fuel to avoid stopping at gas stations and you will need some luck as well. Basically, I believe that the average sheeple will remain frozen in fear for 24-48 hours. I also believe the government response to block travel and shut down news and communication will take most of a week.

But hey, this is all guess work. No super power like the US has fallen suddenly since 480 AD.
While I do agree with most of what you say, you would be amazed at what a man can do under extreme pressure.. Like in combat. How far you can go with out sleep, food etc. However when it comes to the super long comute he will have, I myself have made the drive over and back about 4 times , 3 driving in a car and once on a motorcycle. It is long, hot or very cold and in this case very dangerous. He would be better off since he lives in VA. already to just look around out of the city way up in the mountains somewhere for a nice older house if you will on a few acres with water and lots of trees etc. ;)
 

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This one is a real challenge. But it is doable with some planning. By way of experience, in 2002 I loaded up the family in a 31’ RV for 12 weeks. We drove 17,500 miles hitting 44 states and all 30 Major League Baseball Parks. The tickets were pre purchased so scheduling was important.

Some of these thoughts are obvious. The idea is to get there quickly and safely. My ideas may not be the cheapest, they just rolled out of my head.

1. Figure out 3 routes across the country on a big US map. Go over each of these routes looking for potential problems. Big cities that can’t be gone around, rivers and bridges, especially drawbridges, etc. Google Earth is your friend for now.

2. Know what states you will cross and contact their visitor’s bureau and request an information packet. Maps and other goodies still come in the mail from some of them.

3. Get state maps of every state you will cross and mark the routes you plan to take. A good US Atlas book will do.

4. Know the range of your vehicle and keep it tuned up.

5. Install an extended tank in your vehicle and add enough spare cans to refill once.

6. Along your pre-planned route, stash a complete refill of stabilized fuel, along with food, ammo and anything else you might need along the way. Clean underwear and clothes, etc I’d look for secure and out of the way Self Storage Units and always keep the rent paid and the locks strong. I might even beef up the doors. Do this at about 75% of your fuel endurance.

7. Every chance you get and put fuel in your tank and food in your belly. Stop at every stash and collect fuel and other supplies.

8. As others have mentioned, it’s a good idea to try to get a head start on any problems. The sooner you can get out of town, the better chance you have of avoiding the snarl of traffic.

9. Get a scanner and a book with all of the Law Enforcement radio frequencies. Have the frequencies programmed in so you are rolling from one frequency to the next. Try to find out what mutual aid frequency they might be using too. State Patrol, City and County might combine on one frequency in a disaster.

10. I once went 1350 miles with a buddy in 19 hours. Sacramento, CA to almost Pocatello, ID and back. That was during “peace time” and food & fuel was readily available. If all went well, you might be able to get it done in 50+ hours, with a relief driver.

11. I’d travel very light with most of my preps already at the BOL. Consider having somebody at the BOL meet you at a pre determined point at the last leg with enough fuel and a fresh driver to get you the last leg. That eliminates one fuel and food drop.

12. Final thought. Every freeway entrance to California has an Agricultural Inspection Station inside the border. How easily could those be turned into a police or military check point. I don’t think there is one on Interstate 50 coming in from Lake Tahoe’s South Shore.

13. Stashing fuel and other supplies would require you make the drive at least once. Take a 3-4 week vacation and see the USA in a Chevrolet. Pictures and GPS coordinates to record potential problems.

I think you could do it, but it's pushing your luck. Too many unknowns.
The biggest hurdle will be the Sierra Nevada's . They run from the bottom to the top of calif and beyond. There are only a couple of highways that cross them. Anything else would require a pack mule situation. They are bad. By the time he got to him someone else would have figured this out on that end and probably already have some type of roadblock in place , whether to capture or loot.
 
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