Why are they during we need them for food clearly
Pluse they might have kids you never know
That is hard thing to be a parent

 

http://www.youcouldsavetheworld.com/fight_for_natural_food.html

 

What is this crap?

It looks like it was written by a grade school kid.

Look at this bullet from the article:

Also in this decade, Monsanto operated the Dayton Project, and later Mound Laboratories in
Miamisburg, Ohio, for the Manhattan Project, the development of the first nuclear weapons
and, after 1947, the Atomic Energy Commission.

wtf? ... either they don't know what year it is or they don't know what a 'decade' is.

Please, let's keep this thread limited to breaking news about farmers being forced off their land by Monsanto.

 

Heck no there need s to be organic too
That is just stupid to do

 

You'll lose your mind throwing pearls before swine.

 

I know this is off topic, but it was kind of humorous. I am in a Master Gardener program and part of that program is volunteering hours both in the dirt and on the helpline. I help out at a donation garden. We were having a discussion regarding the evils of Monsanto and all those minions of hell that use chemical sprays. I and one other fellow are pragmatically organic. If it's working, great. If I am about to lose a crop, start dusting. One of the fellows had a bag of corn that had a bright pink fungicide on it. That was one of the funniest discussions I've been involved in! It seems the strict organic folks would not consent to nuclear pink fungicide coated corn in the "Three Sisters" garden. I am at present putting together a sign that reads, "Monsanto Donation Garden" - Sponsored by: Dupont, Dow Chemical, Monsanto and Satan. I may be looking for a new volunteer gig soon.

 

What is your purpose of this thread? Seems like you're just stirring the pot

 

The purpose of this thread is to illustrate the fact that farmers do not fear lawsuits/Monsanto.

I guess there are backyard gardeners who fear lawsuits, they sure support the wild stories we hear about farmers losing their farms and they will support efforts to stop family farmers from making wise decisions when choosing inputs for their cropping enterprises.

I don't know why backyard gardeners would be concerned, and it annoys me that they are so closed minded that they won't see that persecuting this one company won't make a bit of difference anywhere. Take Monsanto out of the picture entirely, nothing will have changed. There is a HUGE threat to sustainable/local agriculture, but it's not Monsanto.

Short sighted sheep duisguised as gardeners (calling themselves farmers) fear lawsuits. They also have another dozen reasons (none of them based on fact) for hating this evil company. Sometimes I think they are being paid and have been sent here by the food manufacturing industry to draw attention away from the very obvious crimes beomg committed.

Please, let's hear some breaking news about farmers losing their farms to Monsanto.

In all my years of farming, I've never come across another farmer in any Monsanto litigation.
I don't know anyone afraid of them either.

Are we farmers just not as informed as the other members?

I remember the cases from the 1990s (that was before anyone out here had internet.)
They were all over the papers and radio/TV.
Farmers talked about them in the coffee shop and at the feed store.
Some among us had already been trying the new technology, we were all very interested.

If something like this had happened recently, it would be HUGE news.
If this kind of thing happened with any kind of regularity, Monsanto would go broke for lack of customers.

 

Can ANYONE explain the derision of these guys and why the threads go to crap?
Is is more than "sterilized soils"??

 

In all my years of farming, I've never come across another farmer in any Monsanto litigation.
I don't know anyone afraid of them either.
I think leftcoastgrower had a Monsanto story to tell. I'll pm him on this thread.
He is an organic farmer, and had some land issues with a gmo grower down the way.
Something about retaining certification on his land or something.
I hope he chimes in.

 

^^^^^^Damn, OD, MS sucks!!!!!! Erp, actually my BOL is in MS as you may know, but so far they let me buy what I want-so far. :xeye:

 

Yeah, but (a) you don't look like a farmer and (b) the only place you go for supplies is the liquor store. Of course, even there, the bourbon's probably all fulla GMO corn!

 

My uncle was a farmer and I am a gardener, and there is an enormous mental difference. Gardeners have time.

Gardeners can go buy potatoes if the potato crop fails.

Gardeners are not trying to feed themselves fully, and then some.

It's a huge difference. I can diddle about with my seven varieties of coloured potato and call each one by name and stroke its head when its feeling ill, give it a little pep talk...

I mean.. look at some of the folk here, they pick the very first caterpillar off their tomato plant that they see. Why? (a) they only have one tomato plant; and (b) they pay that much attention to bugs.

My uncle wouldn't have survived with my methods, not a chance. It's the difference between a livelihood and a hobby. A livelihood involves discipline, compromise, choosing between worse and worst, better and best. A hobby never faces these challenges.

 

I don't think any of those things? Nor am I rich.

I live my own beliefs and I'm chasing my own dream to farm. That doesn't cast judgment on you.

And I only thanked it because that is the entire purpose of this thread. And the entire purpose for peppering your posts with my name. Even in threads I'm not involved in.

 

I live my own beliefs and I'm chasing my own dream to farm. That doesn't cast judgment on you.

And I only thanked it because that is the entire purpose of this thread. And the entire purpose for peppering your posts with my name. Even in threads I'm not involved in.

PS ROFL on being rich

Pffff ... be careful when you are lamenting not being rich.
I'm sure there are many around you who do not have the resources you do.
(job, home, parents, friends, health)

Contribute to threads that align with your dream.
Leave the attack on the American Family Farmer alone.
I won't let you do that (even passively.)

You think I should bring tomatoes to you in little bushel baskets.
I can't do that because most folks eat McDonald's and drink Mt Dew.
How do you envision the transition from today's reality to your vision?
Does it start with me growing less food?
(I know, I know, organic/sustainable will yield just as much ... sheesh!)

I thought I cured you of all this when I raked you over the coals for bringing up Schmeiser.
Still, when someone posts the same lie again, you 'thank' them.
Why?

If you all think Monsanto is evil hard enough, what do you think will change?

 

You've seen some of the relationships I have with my farmers because you demanded photographic proof. You know I support them with my grocery money. I go out of my way to seek them out, talk to them, understand what they do and promote them to the hundreds of local folks who follow me. You know I'm working hard to join their ranks.

You know full well I don't hate farmers. This imaginary war has got to stop.

 

what is the carbon footprint of the produce at your farmers' markets and CSA's?

You drive there by yourself in a car just to pick up food for you.

What if everyone could afford to do that?

Do you think that would work?

 

So everyone agrees vigi is not against commercial farming, even if that involves buying commercial seed from a commercial seed company, and using commercial fertilisers?

Cos if everyone agrees then everything is fine.

 

I'm beginning to lose understanding about this topic.

 

You know I read somewhere an article stating that if one lived in a city, one's carbon footprint was lowest if one lived in a highrise apartment and bought food at the local market regardless of organicness, simply due to the economies of scale involved.

I know working on an organic orchard that there's a lot more spraying that goes on. A lot more physical work done, a lot more driving the blower around. It makes you wonder: has anyone done the maths on all of this from a carbon footprint perspective?

I am an organic gardener because I can be. But I'm pragmatic. If things aren't going well, then maybe nitrophoska or roundup will happen. There are worse things that happen at sea...

 

I see moose and their foot prints on my land. I see bear and their footprints, bobcat, coyote, fishers, ...

I have never spotted a carbon, or it's footprint anywhere on my land.

I believe in moose, I see them, I see their prints and I eat them.

Not sure that I believe in these carbons though.

What do they taste like?

 

Absolutely!

What is the problem with farming using seed from commercial seed company using commercial fertilizers ?

 

There isn't one.

I get my ear bent off by the greenies over here too. Hey - I am a greenie but within the world of greenies some are greenier than others. :

Cor -try typing that two times fast.

And for some of them if it's not certified heirloom (even if, like a tomato, it's as fertile as a rabbit) it's not 'worthy'. Also if you aren't growing your own aracauna eggs, making your own nettle tea, you are just such a social fail, darling... The new suburban neurosis for the up and coming jet set....

But back to the plot!

I was just trying to give the two above an out... a point of agreement so they could get along. Dat's all.

 

Ex, I get that you are thinking of your current model. It's not the only one available. You could grow things that there's a demand for at a premium, and direct market to grocery store or co-ops or restaurants, or do a CSA, or work to start a farmers market near you. You keep telling us how resourceful and adaptable farmers are. I believe it. If you wanted to change your model you could. You've done it before and could do it again. If you don't want to, then don't. Just don't take it out on me. I'm just going to keep voting with my dollars and try to build my own little place.

 

or do a CSA, or work to start a farmers market near you.

Viggie, did you read my post?

Folks here have gardens. I have to drive an hour to get to a city of over 10,000.

Many try, some are successful, I hope someday to do it.

Do you really think the first step is to get more people to hate Monsanto?

 

http://www.utne.com/Environment/Organic-Farmers-Lose-More-Ground-to-Monsanto.aspx

 

Thank you for the input MadPrepper, this is indeed breaking news.
Sincerely, this is the kind of thing I'm looking for.

In February 2012, the judge threw this bogus case out of court.
He ruled (and rightly so) that the plaintiffs had not been damaged, and that the liklihood of the kinds of damages they feared was null.

the Judge's judgementDefendants, moreover, have never filed a patentinfringement
suit against a certified organic farm or handling
operation over the presence of patented traits in its
operations, and they stated at oral argument that they have
never sued a party who did not “want to make use of the traits
that are manifested in [defendants’] transgenic products.”

The feel-good organizations that filed this suit fear the same lawsuits that Forest and Viggie fear, the ones that don't happen.
They too never set foot in a field.

OK ... back on track now.

Let's see some posts of recent court cases involving patent infringement
... especially those where farmers have lost their farms to Monsanto.

 

USDA Economic Farming Statistics Summary for the U.S. for anyone interested.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/US.htm

Sorry if this is a sidetrack, but let's not forget we are feeding the world and not just ourselves. Farming exports are a huge part of our economy. :

 

why would someone argue FOR Monsanto? must be bored

and people should boycott corn syrup and big ag

 

There goes the neighborhood.

 

Do you equate Monsanto with genetic engineering?

You do know that monsanto is a company, and genetic engineering is a scientific activity?

They are not the same thing. One uses the other. You get rid of monsanto do you think you get rid of genetic engineering?

 

That is the point. Genetic engineering is the problem. Patenting life is the problem. Monsanto is only a problem because they perform genetic engineering.

If someone wants to call them the great satan who is changing the genetics of the planet for nefarious purposes, or for profits, fine with me. I would even agree.

The last step is genetically engineered people, you do realize this don't you? If Monsanto could, they would patent human genetics and replace your Grandchildren. Want to bet?

 

It burns! it burns...

 

Breaking News ... Monsanto Lawsuits ! ! !

Please, let's keep this thread limited to posts about farmers who are being sued by Monsanto for patent infringement, intellectual property cases that have recently been tried or are currently being tried.

Members here insist that innocent farmers fear such lawsuits (I honestly can't imagine why.)

Please do not reply with a post about an article written recently that mentions a lawsuit that happened years ago
... this thread is for breaking news only.

Post away ! ! !

 

Here goes round 2