[Post18guy]

I'm always on the lookout for different condiments to improve the taste of my LTS and everyday foods.
I came across this product in the bulk food aisle at Winco today. It's on tap and you can fill up your container there in the store. Looks like a nice source of trace amino acids.
Does anyone have any experience or insights into "Bragg liquid aminos"?
Thanks in advance.

http://bragg.com/products/bragg-liquid-aminos-soy-alternative.html

 

[Teslin]

Soy product. If you like and can have soy, I guess it is ok, although it is full of glutamine and sodium hydrochloride apparently. For those of us who can't/shouldn't have soy (and that could be up to 1/3rd of the population, even if they are not aware of it), look into coconut aminos. Many people think the coconut version tastes better too.

 

[Post18guy]

Soy product. If you like and can have soy, I guess it is ok, although it is full of glutamine and sodium hydrochloride apparently. For those of us who can't/shouldn't have soy (and that could be up to 1/3rd of the population, even if they are not aware of it), look into coconut aminos. Many people think the coconut version tastes better too.

thanks Teslin; what is the Coconut version, are there brand or product names to look for and what has you r experience with them been?

 

[dgr]

..., although it is full of ... sodium hydrochloride....

That sounds really dangerous. What is it?

 

[Post18guy]

That sounds really dangerous. What is it?

DGR you are officially a hoot!

 

[Teslin]

D_Marshall will tell you all you ever needed to know about that dangerous stuff I am sure. I should have known better than to try to answer anything in the food forum any more.

 

[IamZeke]

That sounds really dangerous. What is it?

Actually, it can be dangerous. Sodium Hydrochloride is just another name name for Sodium Hypochlorite....or bleach.

It's just a chemical name that almost never gets used.

Yet I'm pretty sure it was just a typo on Sodium Chloride, or just common salt.

 

[IamZeke]

Chemistry class was long, long time ago, but there's no H/hydro in hypochlorite--it's just ClO-. Bleach is made from chlorine gas and sodium hydroxide. A hydrochloride comes from the reaction of HCl with an organic base. Any pharmacopoeia is full of hydrochlorides.

It is not a term commonly used but Sodium Hydrochloride is used in place of Sodium Hypochlorite as nomenclature.

Here is an Asian company selling it. Note the name on the description and then on the bottle itself.

http://www.tradeindia.com/fp1187965/Sodium-Hydrochloride-Solution-U-S-P-.html

Here is eHow discussing it as pool bleach.

http://www.ehow.com/how_6952981_use-sodium-hydrochloride-pool-chemical.html

Here is it referred to it in Hazmat warnings.

http://www.factsonline.nl/accident/20413/chemical-accident-in-usa-with-sodium-hydrochloride

Here is a Japanese researcher discussing its use as a bactericide.

http://www.researchgate.net/publica..._acidic_sodium_hydrochloride_(NaOCl)_solution

Here is it discussed in a Chinese water treatment unit. Note below it changes to hypochlorite instead.

http://hada-torui.en.made-in-china....-Hydrochloride-of-Boiler-Water-Treatment.html

Here is is sold as a laundry stain remover, which bleach is.

http://www.trichem-online.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2015-


The chemical term exists. In just about every case you see it interchanged for sodium hypochlorite. In just about every case it is an overseas source. It's definitely not used in American chemical terminology, but it's out there in the wider world.

And yes, I've used the USP almost every week since the 80's. Hydrochlorides of all sorts are needed in order to get the prodrug past the intestinal cell membrane

 

[Post18guy]

D_Marshall will tell you all you ever needed to know about that dangerous stuff I am sure. I should have known better than to try to answer anything in the food forum any more.

All input and attendees are welcome on a Post18guy thread, thank you all for being here! so long a folks play nice and respect each other they are appreciated.

 

[Post18guy]

Anything "umami" flavored has glutamines. Coconut Secret actually boasts it has 14 times as much naturally occurring glutamic acid as soy. If soy is your issue, then coconut aminos avoid that, and coconuts certainly have an overall good nutritional profile, plus I think the offerings out there for coconut are made by a natural organic process, so that would also be good. But they aren't going to be low in glutamines because they wouldn't taste good if they were.

If you want no glutamates, you'd have to make yourself something like this and skip the fish sauce (which won't taste as good as if you include it, because fish sauce is giving you those tasty umami glutamates again):
http://theclothesmakethegirl.com/2014/03/01/substitute-soy-sauce-coconut-aminos/

so this stuff then; Amazon.com : Coconut Secret Organic Raw Coconut Aminos Soy-Free Seasoning Sauce-8 Oz : Coconut Sauces : Grocery & Gourmet Food ???

and what appears to be some small quantity recipes for fish sauce. Most of my Vietnamese friends just laugh at me when i ask for a recipe because they make it up gallons at a time, BTW don't use the stuff right out of the bottle; http://whiteonricecouple.com/recipes/viet-fish-sauce-dip/ and http://www.theravenouscouple.com/2009/06/nuoc-mam-cham-vietnamese-dipping-fish-sauce.html

 

[dgr]

Post18, have you tried it? I'm thinking it is going to have a flavor like vegemite. But if it is more like miso, I may have to try some

 

[dgr]

Teslin,
I assumed it was a typo and was poking fun. Are you saying there is bleach?

If sodium hydrohloride is a genuine name of a chemical compound, it should have a CAS registration number. I believe anyone using the term in their sales literature is suffering from a case of Chinese owners manual. Translated at least twice and incorrectly.

Sodium hydrochloride suggests that it contains Na, H and Cl. Or maybe someone thought to use hydro- incorrectly and meant it is an aqueous solution. Either way, it leaves out the O that is a necessary part of hypochlorite. ClO- is not some Chlorine and some oxygen swimming around it in the air or some water, bumping into each other. It is a unique ion with unique properties.

Hypochlorite is the only proper vernacular to use for ClO-. It might seem pedantic but science is very specfic in its terminology so that everyone is speaking about the same thing. I don't want to bleach my clothes with sodium chloride and I don't want to flavor my food with sodium hypochlorite Or sodium hydrochloride for that matter.

Anyway. No offense intended.

 

[Post18guy]

Post18, have you tried it? I'm thinking it is going to have a flavor like vegemite. But if it is more like miso, I may have to try some

I haven't tried the braggs or the coconut secret; i am quite fond of fish sauce having ties to the local Vietnamese community i have it from time to time.
I appreciate the input and hope to try some of these over the course of time, the next question will be shelf life.

 

[IamZeke]

I haven't tried the braggs or the coconut secret; i am quite fond of fish sauce having ties to the local Vietnamese community i have it from time to time.
I appreciate the input and hope to try some of these over the course of time, the next question will be shelf life.

Fish sauce rocks......until you have a Thai girlfriend that thinks Thai chilies and fish sauce belong in every meal, including cold noodles for breakfast.

Then it becomes an internal struggle between how long do I want a crazy Thai girlfriend and how long before the fish sauce and chilies must go for good.

My stomach won that decision. Other parts of me were not pleased by that. :upsidedown:

 

[dgr]

Dang zeke. Lose-lose right there

 

[Post18guy]

Fish sauce rocks......until you have a Thai girlfriend that thinks Thai chilies and fish sauce belong in every meal, including cold noodles for breakfast.

Then it becomes an internal struggle between how long do I want a crazy Thai girlfriend and how long before the fish sauce and chilies must go for good.

My stomach won that decision. Other parts of me were not pleased by that. :upsidedown:

Zeke, you too Grasshopper have achieved Hoot status!.....ROFLMAO!

Tango Yankee!

 

[dgr]

Post18,
I tried Braggs today. Whole foods had a bottle on the salad bar. Tastes like soy sauce.