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Heres what Iv got so far for my BOB set. Its devided into three sections so far (it will be 4 eventually with a trolley cases added), so theres the EDC, then the jacket and then the rucksacks at present.

I just needed to know if things need to move around, what to take out, what to add, what Im missing. NB we cant carry arms or any weaponery in the Uk, and no blades over I believe 3 Inches, so I cant carry a hunting knife. Some of the Multi tools do have blades and are over 3" but they stay at home unless a Bug Out situation occurs.

I intend to Bug In, unless forced otherwise. Im in a semi- rural area, in a flood plain, close to a river, farmland, horses etc.

NB I need to make it as light as possible, and I can hardly lift the rucksack at present.


EDC (EVERY DAY CARRY)
Info card (phone numbers, Dr details etc)
Boiled sweets - candy
Renes
Olbas Oil
Copy of Prescription
Prescription meds
Feminine Hygiene products
Nail file
Folding toothbrush
Vaseline
Tissues
Mask Respro anti pollution
Mask Winter felt mask
Mobile phone fully charged
Torch ( Flashlight)
Pencil
Pens
String (1 meter)
Sewing kit
Tape measure - retractable
Cash £25
Cards
Spiritualist 7 Principles card (a religious item)
Winter gloves
Cotton gloves
Dog poo bags (handled food bags)

On clips:
Red light torch (Astronomy use)
Keys
Whistle/compass/strker/mirror and space for tinder etc
Compass on LED torch
Silverline multi-tool 2 inch



BOB (BUG OUT BAG) JACKET/FISHERMANS WAIST COAT
Water resistant watch
Wind up torch
Folding shoes
Waterproof Map Bag
Nail file
Plasters
2 lint bandages
Safety pins
Ear plugs
2 dressings
Vaseline
Nail scissors
Round ended scissors
Large and small nail clippers
Multi tool with screw head attachments
Mirror
Pencil sharpener
Candle/torch light
Sewing kit x 2
SAS survival manual by Lofty (John) Wiseman
Notebook
Swiss Army Knife/ multi tool
Survival in a tin
Toilet roll insert
Torch - megalite battery
2 Aluminium Blankets
1 Flannel


On Carrabina clip:
1 2" multi tool
2 Tablet containers (empty)


BOB (Bug Out Bag) RUCKSACK/BACKPACK
Waterproof picnic blanket
Waterproof swimmers container
Painkillers
Olbas oil
Renes
Feminine Hygiene
Mask - PP3
Bar of soap
Deoderant
Toothbrush
Toothpaste
Flannel
Razor
Cotton reel - empty
Water purifier bottle
Cap/hat with removeable brim
Sporks x 2
Para corder (150m)
Trangular Bandage
Gauze
Plasters
2 hairbands with sandwich bags
1 large scarf
2 Poncho Tarps
Wind up radio torch
Tarpaulin
Sleeping bag - all weather
BCB cooking set
1 underwear set
1 pair of thermal socks
1 normal socks
1 no sleeve T shirt
1 fleece cap/hat for Alopecians
1 large sarong/dress
Notebook

FA Kit:
3 crepe bandages
2 paper dust masks
1 box fabric plasters
Flourescent waist coat
Abdominal dressings
Swob wipes
Mircopaurous tape
Scissors
6 Gause bandages
Safety Pins


DOG BOB
3 sewing kits
Sandwich Bags and hair ties
Screwdriver kit
Dog Blanket
Small satchel bag
Whistle
Folding water bowl
Mask
Waterproof blanket
Games
Pack of Cards
Velcro
Torch - battery
Hair kit
Waterbottle
Folding microscope (2 " from a Christmas Cracker)


SEPERATE BOX
1 box of dog complete food
1 box of porridge
1 lot of Ryvita crackers
1 Shower sponge
1 Waterproof blanket
1 Razor
3 Tooth brushes
3 bottles of water small



Thank your for continued assistance.
Purdy


PS: This is for me and the dog, I have to make up a further 2 BOBs at a later date.

PPS: forgot to add the edc is the black bag I made, it has had to have one pocket repaired but is still in good nick otherwise.
 

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how much does it weigh?...have you taken it on a hike yet?....seems well
organized
 

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Thanks Harvey, I cant actually get the back pack on my back, I just about lift it off the floor onto a chair. My plan is to put it in a shopping trolley (if I dont use the 4th case trolley). I'll go weigh it to see.



Ok its as follows:

The jacket is about 4 Ib

Rucksack 1st 3 Ib (so 17 Ib)

Dog Bob 3 Ib

so without the EDC and box its just under 2 stone in weight (24 IB)

The EDC without water or other food is 3 IB so that would take it pretty well up to the 2 stone.


Im 10st 6 Ib (hope to loose the 6 Ib) so thats 146 IB at present, with small build at 5ft 4 inches in height.
 

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id recommend looking at some others bags and seeing how some people have some items with multiple uses... maybe take a long hike with some weights in your backpack and determine a reasonable weight for yourself..i tend to do alot of hiking so i know what id need for 3 days..within reason..ive been doing this for years and still/constantly make adjustmints..once you have a determined weight where you wont hurt yourself..then you can start thinning it down...for me ..i like to be at no more than 30-35 pounds..and i also have a small saddle bag for my doggie
 

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EDC (EVERY DAY CARRY)
Info card (phone numbers, Dr details etc)
Boiled sweets - candy
Renes
Olbas Oil
Copy of Prescription
Prescription meds
Feminine Hygiene products
Nail file
Folding toothbrush
Vaseline
Tissues
Mask Respro anti pollution
Mask Winter felt mask
Mobile phone fully charged
Torch ( Flashlight)
Pencil
Pens
String (1 meter)
Sewing kit
Tape measure - retractable
Cash £25
Cards
Spiritualist 7 Principles card (a religious item)
Winter gloves
Cotton gloves
Dog poo bags (handled food bags)

On clips:
Red light torch (Astronomy use)
Keys
Whistle/compass/strker/mirror and space for tinder etc
Compass on LED torch
Silverline multi-tool 2 inch

BOB (BUG OUT BAG) JACKET/FISHERMANS WAIST COAT
Water resistant watch
Wind up torch
Folding shoes
Waterproof Map Bag
Nail file
Plasters
2 lint bandages
Safety pins
Ear plugs
2 dressings
Vaseline
Nail scissors
Round ended scissors
Large and small nail clippers
Multi tool with screw head attachments
Mirror
Pencil sharpener
Candle/torch light
Sewing kit x 2
SAS survival manual by Lofty (John) Wiseman
Notebook
Swiss Army Knife/ multi tool
Survival in a tin
Toilet roll insert
Torch - megalite battery
2 Aluminium Blankets
1 Flannel

On Carrabina clip:
1 2" multi tool
2 Tablet containers (empty)

BOB (Bug Out Bag) RUCKSACK/BACKPACK
Waterproof picnic blanket
Waterproof swimmers container
Painkillers
Olbas oil
Renes
Feminine Hygiene
Mask - PP3
Bar of soap
Deoderant
Toothbrush
Toothpaste
Flannel
Razor
Cotton reel - empty
Water purifier bottle
Cap/hat with removeable brim
Sporks x 2
Para corder (150m)
Trangular Bandage
Gauze
Plasters
2 hairbands with sandwich bags
1 large scarf
2 Poncho Tarps
Wind up radio torch
Tarpaulin
Sleeping bag - all weather
BCB cooking set
1 underwear set
1 pair of thermal socks
1 normal socks
1 no sleeve T shirt
1 fleece cap/hat for Alopecians
1 large sarong/dress
Notebook

FA Kit:
3 crepe bandages
2 paper dust masks
1 box fabric plasters
Flourescent waist coat
Abdominal dressings
Swob wipes
Mircopaurous tape
Scissors
6 Gause bandages
Safety Pins

DOG BOB
3 sewing kits
Sandwich Bags and hair ties
Screwdriver kit
Dog Blanket
Small satchel bag
Whistle
Folding water bowl
Mask
Waterproof blanket
Games
Pack of Cards
Velcro
Torch - battery
Hair kit
Waterbottle
Folding microscope (2 " from a Christmas Cracker)

SEPERATE BOX
1 box of dog complete food
1 box of porridge
1 lot of Ryvita crackers
1 Shower sponge
1 Waterproof blanket
1 Razor
3 Tooth brushes
3 bottles of water small
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Not sure what renes or Olbas Oil is.. and I"m too lazy to find out, but I assume they are something you need!

A few things jump out at me.. first of all, you have several torches (flashlights); depending on the size of flashlight, having multiples can add up to a few pounds (ie. several 2x or 3x D cell Maglites).. are these large or small flashlights? There are some excellent multi-mode LED flashlights out there that cost a little more (ie. Fenix or 4sevens) but have some excellent lighting capabilities and longer life with smaller (AA or AAA) battery sizes. Also, using lithium batteries greatly increases shelf life and run time while at the same time REDUCING the weight of the batteries. Also, are you carrying any spare batteries?

Multiple toothbrushes? Given your list, it seems that you are not intending a very long bugout (no food procurement items and minimal water purification). If this is the case, you can probably save a few ounces and not take the 4 or 5 toothbrushes.. 1 or 2 should more than suffice. Same goes with hygiene products.. make sure you get the travel size soaps, deodorants, etc.. they are smaller, lighter, and should suffice for up to a week or so of judicious use. Also, you don't need a large AND small nail clipper.. just take the large ones.. as long as they are new and sharp, they will cut fingernails and toenails just fine. Should not need a separate nail file or nail scissors; many toenail clippers have small files on them, plus many multitools and most swiss army knives have files.. and the scissors on the swiss army knife and nail clippers should be able to handle anything the nail scissors can.

No toilet paper?

Why a screwdriver kit? are we talking individual full sized screwdrivers here? Why this tool and no others? (other than a small multi-tool?) Unless there was a specific reason why you need these, I would either not carry these, or perhaps carry one of those 6-in-1 screwdrivers or make do with the screwdrivers on my multitool/swiss army knife. You also have scissors listed a few times.. 1 decent pair of scissors in your FAK should be enough (i'd get rid of the crappy "first-aid" scissors and put in a decent lightweight Fiskars angled fabric scissor).

Why the tape measure? Why 3 different sewing kits?

Is the SAS manual that you have the mini version? (lighter, more compact)

Also, did I miss it, or did you not list any method of making fire? Make sure you have at least 2 or 3 methods to make fire! and if a 3 inch folding blade is what you can have, I'd make sure you have a decent locking blade 3" folding knife that is fairly light weight for your "main" knife and use the swiss army knife as your secondary knife, since it probably does not have a locking blade (only a few of their models lock).

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Hmm before I go any further, I've belatedly realized that I should ask what your bugout plan is, should it come to that.. are you planning on surviving out in the boonies? traveling to a BOL? how long does this kit need to last you?

Anyways, there are a few suggestions there that hopegfully will get you started thinking about your gear and might save you a couple pounds of weight. Alot of the weight savings are measures in ounces.. but ounces add up to become pounds! In general, I would try to make sure items have multiple uses.. have redundancy only in the critical items or items that are very important to me.. try to pare down on luxury items.
 

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Ok I would roll like this

Your Needs will change soon with the weather change so anything winter related would be redundant.

Hardest thing is to pick and choose things in your lists as something that doesnt seem important to me might be VIP to you so you will have to pick and choose.


EDC

Is the torch a small one? using easy to find AA batteries
Do you need a pen and pencil? go with just a pencil (also doubles as tinder)
sewing kit and tape measure? move this to main pack
Is the cash in small notes and some loose change, there maybe some payphones around in case mobile phone coverage goes.
Instead of cotton gloves add a pair of leather gloves, give you a bit more protection than the cotton-goatskin gloves are really soft but strong.


Waist coat

Do you plan on having all this with you? in a bug out scenario?

I would ditch the pencil sharpener you will have a small blade on the multi tool or should be carrying a small fixed blade 3 inches would be allowed.
2 more sewing kits? if youre bugging out you won't have time to be sewing i'm guessing
2 more multi tools? carry one good one, In an ideal world we would carry 3 of everything but this adds weight.
flannel?


BOB

picnic blanket? use one of the tarps to sit on
bar of soap-maybe those camping soap flakes- a lot lighter and teaches you to be frugal with your gear.
Get all your first aid gear into one unit and think about exactly the types of injuries you can treat and can carry the stuff for.If your FAK is spread all over you will spend a lot of time looking for that one item when you need it.


Dog BOB

Is the dog carrying this or you?

If its the dog just give him/her food and water
If its you 3 more sewing kits?
Waterproof blanket again use the tarps
3 more toothbrushes?

Again this is just a quick glance through but as mentioned decide on your plan and how long this pack is for.
I started me BOB 2 years ago and its always changing due to reading this site, the things that are truly important to me are always going to be

Fire
Water
Shelter
Food
First aid
protection

Everyone's packs differ to their needs and thoughts.

But you know what Purdy you are still streaks ahead of the majority by even having all that gear and having a plan so Bravo and keep at it.

:)
 

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Thanks everyone. Im going to have to print this out and sit down with my bag. Iv had an idea with the main bag - Iv recently got a craft bag which usually holds 6 compartment boxes but it would make a brilliant holdall for a BOB.

Thanks for all the advice.
 
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If you want to slash weight you have to set up your kit for an emergency plan. Then you kit needs to achieve that and not much else. It is hard because something might happen that you are not prepared for but if you have to cut the weight you have to cut the weight.

Planing for a bit of everything is what leads towards BOBs turning into BOLs.

Oh and here is your bush knife. You can pick them up for about $20 to$30 bucks on amazon or ebay.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-6477.html



under 3 inches and solves any locking blade ilegalities you might have.
 

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It's really hard to critique somebody elses BOB. I like whats in mine but when I post it people always tell you what you should have instead of this or that. Some advise will be good. for instance in my bag I relied alot on Ramen noodles for my "get there food". People pointed out quickly that I may want to up the proteins a bit so a replaced alot of the ramen with rice meals.

That said, if you have a decent knife, you don't need to get the very best super-duper you can't survive without it knife. It really isn't going to help you that much more.

You list includes:

Food
Water
Shelter
fire
Medical
Self Protection

Now it is a matter of how long it can sustain you and your passengers (Dogs, Children, etc.) and can you carry it.

People have alot to say about BOBs and alot of opinions.

For instance is your BOB going to be a 72 hour get to your stocked and ready BOL type bag? Or maybe it is your "This is all I got to survive with BOB."

Each one of those bags is going to require a different set of items that are task specific. If you don't have a stocked BOL them you may consider alot more ammo and less food relying on the fact that you know you will be living off the land and very soon.

The 72 hour bag is very general and in my opinion more of a FEMA bag than a bag you can rely on for extended periods of time. I cannot rely on the fact that my BOL will not be compromised when I get there. On top of that once you are there, you will still need a BOB in the event that you have to leave your BOL quick.

My personal bag is very comprehensive but very heavy as well. I am in very good shape and I am able to carry that bag for extended periods without fatigue. Think about that as well.



Your bag looks pretty good and the posts above me have hit on the things you may want to change, guns, fire, toilet paper. Just focus on what your goals are for your bag and then fullfill those requirements.

Video of my BOB part 1
Video of my BOB Part 2
 

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Looking at the list I don't see many heavy items, what does it all weigh total.
My google searching says a trolly case is a rolling suitcase/luggage, am I right?
I think I see what your going for because I'm setup similar. If a localized disaster hits you may have to bug out to a friends house, apartment, etc. A suitcase/trolly would be appropriate there. Your chances of the world ending and having to bug out to the woods are less.
Take all the stuff like toothpaste and brush, nail clippers, sewing kits, etc and put those in a kit in the suitcase. I've setup that way, a suitcase is part of the bob layer but its not the actual bob (backpack). It would wheel along behind me to a vehicle (BOV) and be used to drive to a place to stay. I then carry a normal bob backpack which has basic food and water, light, firestarting, multitool/knife etc on my back.
 
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