[Pinemarten]

Blowback…the effect of refugees on Europe

I know people here have discussed various things on the threads about the refugees pouring into Europe but there are some things that apparently were not mentioned.

Food prices in the Europe Union are probably going to increase…especially certain types of food. Rice, lamb and mutton possible candidates.

Military surplus items, such as blankets, will be in shorter supply.

Welfare programs and the like will eventually be leaner.

Higher taxes at some point for all those working. Retirement payouts like the U.S. social security will be smaller…just not enough there-not enough people paying in. Or the payouts will not keep up with inflation.

Europe's food stocks will go down. I am not sure what their current food
preparedness policy is…years ago in the 80s I know the EU had a butter mountain-they had refrigerated butter(surplus) on ships because of subsidizing farmers to produce milk.
Probably every European Union member nation will have to take in a certain number of refugees if said member nation is getting money or aid from the EU.

Competition between refugees and people from the less wealthy EU member nations.

However,
there are possibly many more refugees coming. A lot more. What just occurred recently is probably the first wave as a test.

 

[Forrest Mosby]

All of Europe, including England, is screwed over this...its a flood of people that have to be taken care of...and now, we are agreeing to take 10's of 1000's...its gonna get real bad real quick

 

[Pinemarten]

In the New York Times Sept 8, 2015 edition there was an interesting interview with a refugee from Africa in Sweden. He had wanted to get to Norway because that country had the highest cash benefits. He got in by way of Italy and wound up in Sweden. When he calls home his relatives all want to make the trip. The article also mentioned how he was kidnapped in Africa while on his way to Europe but his family paid a $20,000 ransom?
An interesting tidbit in the article was how refugees are burning their fingerprints off-burn a plastic bag and using it on their fingers to disfigure the prints. Obviously the word was out as to where to go for the highest cash benefits.

Sometimes there are interesting reports in The New York Times. From reading the newspapers lately there is something that does come across-there's sophistication at work here. Planning and coordination. How do people suddenly decide to form into large groups and go marching off into countries? Note they are not clamoring to get into Russia...

A lot of people who have gotten into Europe are going to want to bring their relatives-immediate family and such.
Pleas and possible marches in public. More are going to come.

Precedent
there's a lot more coming. Many more. And soon.
Other nations/people are going to see this method works. Likely sooner than later. Form up in large groups and march across-they will not get deported. Invasion by human wave. It will be interesting to see where this tactic will be used next.

Before any difficult fences are built. On the web there are news reports where people are getting into Norway by Russia-the Russians move them along so they do not stay. There were newspaper reports how refugees were speeding up to get into Hungary before the Hungarians build a more permanent wall-They are currently working with wire fences.

This whole thing does not seem a random hop a border and hope thing. If you read different media and look at some of the Youtube stories(less censored) there seems to be planning and organization going on in depth. This is going to speed up and snowball possibly very soon.

Merkel doesn't realize or doesn't want to say the true numbers are going to be higher…much higher.

 

[богдан]

Let's not forget all the different warring factions of jihadis fighting in North Africa and Syria before isis rose to power how many of all those military age males are jihadis that just ended up on the losing side?

Mark my words terror attacks will skyrocket

 

[JBryan314]

Has anyone else heard 0bama wants 65,000 of the "refugees" to come here? I heard it said on the TV news so I was wondering if that's been heard or read by anyone else.

 

[bobalo59]

All this is true, and our state department led by the most socialist leaning coward of all time guarantees that the USA will be happy to take these "refugees". Who knows how many members of ISIS will follow in this crowd? We're looking at a war with China, why I don't know, but we are, and we're taking in possible terrorist, thousands of illegals at our southern border, many from muzzie states. This is ****ing stupid to say the least, but I expect no less from the head goat****err in charge. Sorry about the language, but this ****es me off.

 

[Captain Jack]

Europe has huge food reserves, we export an enormous amount to other continents. Food prices go up more because of trade agreements/barriers than any tiny rise in population. The population of Europe is about 740m currently.

The other thing is many of these refugees are looking to move through Europe and on to North America to join their family there...

 

[Forrest Mosby]

Has anyone else heard 0bama wants 65,000 of the "refugees" to come here? I heard it said on the TV news so I was wondering if that's been heard or read by anyone else.

Yes I saw that..and yes, its true..no more mall trips on Saturday afternoons...peak times to get hit

 

[anders8]

Check out the rape statistics in Europe, or the violent crime statistics of the few Somali immigrants already here in the US.

Oh jeez, check the gun death statistics in the US. You can pick an one or two statistics you like and overblow it. For example... that's what I just did here.

What I found interesting was Germany's situation. They currently have something like 38 million working people, and they figure in 15 to 20 years that number is going to decline to 27 million. Imagine losing 25% of the productive people in a country? Germany apparently has the lowest birthrate of large EU countries.

The report I heard said they estimated it took approximately five years to "break even" on taking in immigrants. As in, the country spends money when they first arrive, but eventually they become productive and add to the GDP.

 

[anders8]

Everyone trying to get to Sweden is weird though: haven't they checked wikipedia? Population just under 10 million for the whole country... that's like, say, only as big as North Carolina. It's not a big place.

 

[Tone23]

Those who believe the west should accept unlimited refugees you are underestimating the long term impact of this. The West is unique, Europeans are the first and just about only culture to foster liberty and personal freedom. What is going on here is an untold number of African and Muslims seeking "asylum" will shift the demographics of the west. We see a shift in the US and the result has been a move to more socialistic tendencies. These refugees will change the fabric of Europe, from an economic stand point it may prove to be beneficial in the short term. However as native birthrates decline and immigrant population surges, we will see those from the immigrant tribes prefer each other and we will see animus towards the natives who take them in. If we open our borders to anyone who wants to come here then prepare for billions. Prepare for global government and the abolition of personal liberty.

My family, including women and children, supported or fought with the resistance against the Nazi occupiers and then the communists in Greece. My family who came to the US didn't arrive until the late 50's and 60's. So I will pass on your guilt tripping garbage.

 

[ppirate]

I feel sorry for these people but counties that allow them safe haven are screwed, they will just have to wait a year or so to realize it. All the liberal media needs to 'take ten"..take ten refugees to THEIR home and care for them. That won't last long.

Guess none of the Europeans ever heard of the Trojan Horse. Maybe they need to hit the history books.

As for this administration bringing them to the US...geez people make up you mind, do you want all the Central American and Mexican folks or the Syrians. What is coming down the road for our kids and grandkids is going to be seriously ..mucked up!

 

[mark68]

Like the Arab spring, there is nothing spontaneous about this sudden migration to Europe.

It would have been way easier and less costly in the long run to do what the republican voters love to do. Hold your nose and pick the lesser of two evils.

As in back Assad and stabilize Syria. But Obama would have none of that.

But I think the powers that be want this to happen. A one world government is easier to implement when you erase all national identity.

 

[NickTheGreat]

Some of these European countries (and England especially) have been suffering from this type of thing for years. This is only going to expedite the process

 

[CanadianInfidel]

Keep working your preps folks....more important now than ever! If the socialists take over up here after the election we will look like Europe in 5 years

 

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[zorost]

Oh jeez, check the gun death statistics in the US. You can pick an one or two statistics you like and overblow it. For example... that's what I just did here.

"Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa."

"In an astounding number of cases, the Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists, and have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted to have sex with six, seven or eight men."

"As part of the evidence Michael Hess presented in court, he made use of whatever statistics existed on immigrant criminality in Sweden before the statistical authorities stopped measuring. Michael Hess tried to find answers to two questions:

Is there a correspondence between the incidence of rape and the number of people with a foreign background in Sweden?
Is there a correspondence between the incidence of rape and some specific group of immigrants in Sweden?
The answer to both questions was an unequivocal Yes. Twenty-one research reports from the 1960s until today are unanimous in their conclusions: Whether or not they measured by the number of convicted rapists or men suspected of rape, men of foreign extraction were represented far more than Swedes. And this greater representation of persons with a foreign background keeps increasing:

--1960-1970s – 1.2 to 2.6 times as often as Swedes
--1980s – 2.1 to 4.7 times as often as Swedes
--1990s – 2.1 to 8.1 times as often as Swedes
--2000s – 2.1 to 19.5 times as often as Swedes

Even when adjusted for variables such as age, sex, class and place of residence, the huge discrepancy between immigrants and Swedes remains."

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape


Yes, the US does have a high rate of gun deaths. That isn't overblown, that is a simple fact. If you look closely at that data, you'd see that if we discount non-whites the gun death rate drops dramatically.

So keep out or kick out the cultural aliens, and societies flourish. Let in 3rd world trash and a country goes to hell. It's not complicated.

 

[cnpiso]

Has anyone else heard 0bama wants 65,000 of the "refugees" to come here? I heard it said on the TV news so I was wondering if that's been heard or read by anyone else.

The elites seem to be planning a giant "salad bowl" of ordinary humanity, i.e. non-elites, who will be mixed together and occasionally stirred up now and then with political "salad forks" handled by the elites' technocrats. It's a gigantic geopolitical laboratory and we, The Great Unwashed, are the lab rats.

)))

 

[RobbK]

All of Europe, including England, is screwed over this...its a flood of people that have to be taken care of...and now, we are agreeing to take 10's of 1000's...its gonna get real bad real quick

No one has to be taken care of give them nothing turn their butts around and send them back.

 

[Moccasin]

Oh jeez, check the gun death statistics in the US. You can pick an one or two statistics you like and overblow it. For example... that's what I just did here.

What I found interesting was Germany's situation. They currently have something like 38 million working people, and they figure in 15 to 20 years that number is going to decline to 27 million. Imagine losing 25% of the productive people in a country? Germany apparently has the lowest birthrate of large EU countries.

The report I heard said they estimated it took approximately five years to "break even" on taking in immigrants. As in, the country spends money when they first arrive, but eventually they become productive and add to the GDP.

Yes, this would appear to be why Merkel is promoting the acceptance of so many of these refugees into Europe and especially Germany. Birthrates across Europe and Russia are too low. Without immigrants, in a generation they'll be in the same situation Japan finds itself in: Old people in the majority, not enough new people to keep things running well. The Japanese discourage immigrants; Merkel has learned from their mistake. Unfortunately for them, it appears the Russians, Danes, and lots of others have not.

Also, many of those coming in are the best and brightest from Syria and elsewhere; doctors, engineers, people who had the money to pay smugglers to get them to Europe. The very people Europe wants. Assad is throwing away his country's tomorrow to stay in power today. They're also the toughest of the tough, and extremely driven (not to mention lucky) to make it to Europe despite all the difficulties and dangers. There is no more reason why they can't be assimilated into Europe than all the other races who have wound up there over the centuries. Similar things were said about the Cubans who fled to the U.S. after Fidel took over in Cuba, including that there were enemy spies and criminals among them. There were; but the vast majority of the others became exemplary U.S. citizens and members of the community.

Those for whom Hate is their handmaiden - and master - seldom think of such things. In fact, they seldom think at all.