Dog team or horse team.

 

Why not buy an emp shield for your vehicle? They meet DOD standards and are used on government vehicles.

 

Why not buy an emp shield for your vehicle? They meet DOD standards and are used on government vehicles.


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Call me skeptical, but I do not think of "Trust" when I think of Homeland Security and the Federal Govt in general. Skeptical that it would actually work as well.

 

Yeah, I bet that works about as well as a left handed smoke shifter.

 

Best - an old CJ5 with a carburated engine. Anything with a carburated engine and no computerized sensors. Old pre-computer diesels too.

Thing is, we don't know the effect of EMP on vehicles. It might fry 'em or might not. There are reports of cars dying, but then being able to restart. Might work by resetting the battery/computer. We won't know until someone does a test - or until the russian scumbag nukes us.
Can't go wrong with one 'o these. Unless it snows...

 

Pretty much the above. Anything prior to 1976-77 would be fine.

 

A 4x4 with a carburetor. Otherwise, for all of the options that you want, you might want to talk to Homer Simpson about a custom-made vehicle. Look at Army surplus vehicles.

 

Maybe it's not the best, but I'm putting together a EMP motorized bicycle. My thoughts are that no vehicle will be useful for long if there's a full on EMP. First, the road will be full of dead vehicles. Fuel won't be easy to find for long. Not to mention people will kill you for your car. But I think after there's an EMP, there will be a few hours of confusion. People won't immediately be desperate. That will give me a window to go get my wife and child if I need to. Even if there are stopped cars along the roadway, I'll be able to weave through the congestion. Of course, I'll have my trusty Taurus 3gc and my Ruger LCP. An attempt to take my bicycle will be met with a bullet in the head. Once I get them home, we are hunkering down for the duration. I'm using a strong mountain bike with an extra seat in the back.

 

This has been my take on things, i.e., there will be a period of temporary calm following such an "event" while people wait for the government to fix it.

How long until things break down? When my son went off to college, about 5 1/2 hours away from home, we did an emergency "get home ASAP" plan. It was Car/Biking/Walking, meaning he'd start with one, and make as much time as fast as he could. Then if the car broke down, roadblocks, whatever, he'd switch to his bike, which was on a carrier on the back of the car. If that failed, or roadblocks, or whatever, he'd switch to walking.

It has long been my thinking that we'll have 24-48 hours of relative calm before people start to do stupid and harmful things. It is during that time one must make tracks.

I like the idea of a bike if you don't have a tremendous distance to travel. Say, 50 miles max. But the key is to move fast and don't delay.

 

It doesn't meet all of your requirements, but isn't everything a series of trade-offs? I'm working on getting this '71 CJ-6 (with Dauntless 225 V6) 5,800-mile former fire Jeep road-worthy, as it sat much of its life. It doesn't run on multiple fuels, but I'm keeping the old-school carburetor and points ignition. I wanted something simple, EMP-proof, and fun to drive (I've had several newer Jeeps w/computer control to some extent or another, but wanted to avoid all computers with this vehicle. Jeeps are heavily supported in the aftermarket. If you wanted a diesel in an old Jeep, there are kits to swap Kubota engines into them.

If you want good fuel economy, you're going to want light and nimble. If you want large payload, you're going to lose that fuel economy and nimble nature.

@jldizzy mentioned EMP Shield above. I'll mention that we have EMP protection on my wife's '23 Tacoma, as well as my Kubota L2501 tractor (not sure if it's needed or not). Dr. Arthur Bradley designs, tests and sells EMP-related products at https://disasterpreparer.com/product/trap/ I have had great service from them (multiple purchases for vehicle and home), and appreciate his detailed testing/videos with shared, quantitative research.

Maybe it's not the best, but I'm putting together a EMP motorized bicycle. My thoughts are that no vehicle will be useful for long if there's a full on EMP. First, the road will be full of dead vehicles. Fuel won't be easy to find for long. Not to mention people will kill you for your car. But I think after there's an EMP, there will be a few hours of confusion. People won't immediately be desperate. That will give me a window to go get my wife and child if I need to. Even if there are stopped cars along the roadway, I'll be able to weave through the congestion. Of course, I'll have my trusty Taurus 3gc and my Ruger LCP. An attempt to take my bicycle will be met with a bullet in the head. Once I get them home, we are hunkering down for the duration. I'm using a strong mountain bike with an extra seat in the back.

It's certainly not my primary vehicle, and I haven't used it much in the last couple years as I've been busy building a house, but my 100% pedal-powered (no motor) cargo bike offers great, EMP-proof back-up transportation with great cargo capacity.

 

It doesn't meet all of your requirements, but isn't everything a series of trade-offs, right? I'm working on getting this '71 CJ-6 (with Dauntless 225 V6) 5,800-mile former fire Jeep road-worthy, as it sat much of its life. It doesn't run on multiple fuels, but I'm keeping the old-school carburetor and points ignition. I wanted something simple, EMP-proof, and fun to drive (I've had several newer Jeeps w/computer control to some extent or another, but wanted to avoid all computers with this vehicle. Jeeps are heavily supported in the aftermarket. If you wanted a diesel in an old Jeep, there are kits to swap Kubota engines into them.

If you want good fuel economy, you're going to want light and nimble. If you want large payload, you're going to lose that fuel economy and nimble nature.

@jldizzy mentioned EMP Shield above. I'll mention that we have EMP protection on my wife's '23 Tacoma, as well as my Kubota L2501 tractor (not sure if it's needed or not). Dr. Arthur Bradley designs, tests and sells EMP-related products at https://disasterpreparer.com/product/trap/ I have had great service from them (multiple purchases for vehicle and home), and appreciate his detailed testing/videos with shared, quantitative research.

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It's certainly not my primary vehicle, and I haven't used it much in the last couple years as I've been busy building a house, but my 100% pedal-powered (no motor) cargo bike offers great, EMP-proof back-up transportation with great cargo capacity.

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You could get a little 2 cycle motor kit for that from Amazon. It will be a lot easier if you don't have to pedal.

 

@1x1_Speed_Craig said,"It's certainly not my primary vehicle, and I haven't used it much in the last couple years as I've been busy building a house, but my 100% pedal-powered (no motor) cargo bike offers great, EMP-proof back-up transportation with great cargo capacity".


I was going to say bicycle. I like that non electric cargo bike. What brand is it? Most I looked at had a long section in front of the rider. I like the rear cargo set up.

 

you'll run out of fuel long before any problems with your transpo

Richard Hammond struck by lightning in car - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube

 

Don't bet on that video. Feb of 2021 I was going down I20 at 12:15 in the morning about half way between Ft Worth and Dallas Tx. It was raining some with scattered lightening when just as I passed a 18 wheeler my 2013 Chevy truck was hit by lightening. My truck died on the spot, no lights at all not even brake or tail lights, coasting along starting from 65mph and blind as a bat from the flash from lightening. Nothing electronic in my truck survived.
ETA Mod and yr of truck

 

I have two regular (non-electric) bicycles and one Rad PowerBike. My pickup will probably die and I'll be wishing for an old Jeep when the event hits. I can always walk and pull a cart or wagon. We have the smallish trailer for the bicycles.

 

a good set of mules and or donkeys

 

When all else fails I can saddle up, won't run out of fuel.

 

Not to mention that you can eat it if food is scarce.

 

When it comes to preparing for an EMP, the best vehicle to buy is one that is as EMP-resistant as possible. This means that the vehicle should be as old as possible, preferably pre-1980s, and should have minimal electronics. The best vehicles for this purpose are those that are powered by diesel engines, as they are less likely to be affected by an EMP. Additionally, the vehicle should have a manual transmission, as automatic transmissions are more likely to be affected by an EMP.

 

I have yet to read anything that was conclusive on EMP's and vehicles.

"First, however, because it is a point of so much confusion, it is important to point out that there is no known mechanism by which a solar storm would destroy an automobile, except for making fuel unavailable due to loss of the power grid. Even the most massive solar storms are not known to contain the fast E1 component, which is the part of a nuclear EMP that can destroy items that are not connected to extremely long lines.
The question of EMP damage to automobiles is so complex that it cannot be answered definitely for the reasons discussed below.
Any statement concerning the effect of nuclear EMP on vehicles would depend upon details such as how your vehicle is oriented (in other words, which direction it is facing) with respect to the nuclear detonation. It would also depend upon the height of the detonation, the gamma ray output of the detonation, the distance and azimuth to the detonation, and the local strength of the Earth's magnetic field between your location and the detonation point.
It would also depend upon whether your car is parked outdoors, in a concrete garage, or in a metal garage. Obviously a metal garage is best, but concrete is slightly conductive and will provide a little bit of protection compared to outdoors. A major problem with any ordinary garage (even an underground parking garage), however, is that any electrical wiring inside of the garage will simply act as an EMP antenna and will re-radiate the EMP inside of the structure."

"The U.S. EMP Commission tested a number of cars and trucks at the L-3 facility in Colorado. Although this was the most comprehensive set of tests on vehicles that has been done, those tests were very poorly done because the Commission was financially responsible for the vehicles, but did not have the funding to pay for any of the vehicles they tested. The vehicles were borrowed from other government agencies (most vehicles came from the Department of Defense); and the vehicles had to be returned to those lending agencies in good condition.
Those vehicles were tested up to the level that some sort of upset occurred, then further testing was stopped on that vehicle. In most cases, after the initial upset occurred, the vehicle could be restarted. In most of the remaining cases where the vehicle could not be immediately restarted, a latch-up had occurred in the electronics, and the battery could be momentarily disconnected to "re-boot" the electronics, and the vehicle could then be restarted. This temporary electronic latch-up failure mode caused by EMP is something that almost never occurs in automobiles during a typical lifetime of operation."

More specifics in the link. EMP Effects on Vehicles




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None. The correct answer is you don't want to be driving around when no one else can/is. You instantly become a target. I don't care what the reason, the consequences of driving will be worse.

 

Yeah? Well I plan to be driving around in a TANK. So bring it!

 

 

Think my '69 roadrunner will be fine!

 

'69 RoadRunner?? It already is fine!!

(and I'm jealous)

 

Any non electric equipment utility ATV's that would be good for when SHTF and for just fun rides? Or has some electrical but wouldn't stop function with an emp.

 

The cheap two stroke engine conversions for bicycles use a solid state spark unit so yes you have electronics involved. The good news is the complete ignition system is available for about $25.
Virtually all the ATV's and side by sides have electronic ignition and spare parts can be a bunch when bouht new but you should have them even for long term runability. If you have a old three wheeler or trail 90 honda they take points.
The other thing to be aware of is any vehical that has a alternator has diodes for converting AC power to DC to charge the battery .
I have a 1977 L350 honda that has points and doesn't need any diodes to charge a battery since it has a kickstarter. I also build side by side bicycles that are light enough to get over fences and other obstacles. Both people pedal and one steers the other can wield the scattergun.

 

I've been told by many that vintage Cushman scooters are very reliable. 100 mpg, 50 mph.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/cushman

 

Surprised no one mentioned the VW Beetle And Super Beetle. Cheap, easy to fix, good gas mileage

and a decent off roader as well

 

I believe that they were a very early adoptee of electronic fuel injection with computer, over carburetors.

 

"Nemesis Games" by James S. A. Corey.

The thing that most post apocalyptic stories miss... the roads aren't going to hold up for any time at all...

Like in "Damnation Alley" by Zelazny... dude seemed to think that through major nuclear bombardment, there would still be passable interstate highways, and edible cans of food for the happy forager...

Seems like casual observation would demonstrate just how quickly roads fall apart in the best of times... without constant maintenance.

As a kid, I used to ride my bicycle cross country... they aren't made for that... but... do move at a speed where the holes in the road can be avoided...

 

If your looking for the newest vehicle that easy to find it's hard to beat the dodge 1994-1998 2500-3500 with B series Cummings and P pump. It requires no electrical to stay running, only to start and stop. It's a mechanical rack injection pump and can burn some nasty fuel.

 

I was trained on EMP as nuclear delivery bombardier in the Navy. We had to know what effects it might have on our aircraft systems if we were part of a nuclear attack. My understanding is that it is highly variable. You cannot predict its effects at all, unless you know the particulars of weapon yield, altitude, atmospheric conditions, etc. Because of that variability, neither the US or to our knowledge, our enemies, had the concept of causing EMP as a nuclear strategy. So it is both unpredictable and unlikely.

Anything that conducts electricity could potentially be effected. But some systems might do fine, while others fail. Some my be able to be brought back online quickly, others may be destroyed. Shielding improves your chances, but there are no guarantees. I would say do the best you can, but don't overthink it. It is not an likely occurrence and whatever you do may work, or it may not. Only purely manual systems, like bicycles, are 100% safe,

 

I was trained on EMP as nuclear delivery bombardier in the Navy. We had to know what effects it might have on our aircraft systems if we were part of a nuclear attack. My understanding is that it is highly variable. You cannot predict its effects at all, unless you know the particulars of weapon yield, altitude, atmospheric conditions, etc. Because of that variability, neither the US or to our knowledge, our enemies, had the concept of causing EMP as a nuclear strategy. So it is both unpredictable and unlikely.

Anything that conducts electricity could potentially be effected. But some systems might do fine, while others fail. Some my be able to be brought back online quickly, others may be destroyed. Shielding improves your chances, but there are no guarantees. I would say do the best you can, but don't overthink it. It is not an likely occurrence and whatever you do may work, or it may not. Only purely manual systems, like bicycles, are 100% safe,

Not to mention that the Chinese have designed an EMP weapon. Let's take your typical nuclear EMP. It occurs at a single frequency. The Chinese EMP weapon? They can attack and vary the frequency, which would be a LOT more effective. They could literally scrub areas of the country with multiple frequency attacks and pretty well demolish everything electronic. I don't see how this would affect my 2 cycle motorized bicycle engine.

 

I have an old atv that should be emp proof.

I had an old jeep but ended up trading it for firewood and a bit of cash after it had an electrical fire.

 

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