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Okay, I have several friends that are worried about the future now that we have the false Messiah in office. They have asked me to assemble bug-out packs for them. I have been posting several questions around this forum gathering advice on various subjects related to this endeavour. I am trying my best to keep these packs under $1000, which is proving harder then it sounds. For this reason I am asking advice on backpacks that cost about $100. I have two question that I want everyone to share their opinions and experience on.

1. What is the best pack I can buy for about $100. Since it will be carrying a lot of stuff, I am thinking it will have to be 5000 cubic inches or more.

2. In you opinion, which type of pack is better; internal frame or external frame. Please explain why. Thanks.
 

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Hands down for the money IMOP is the blackwater 3 day patrol pack. Once I get the pics taken I will link to the new thread here for you. It holds an insane amount and for me was the best bang for the buck.

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/lorapapanewb.html

I bought mine on sale for $99, they were before blackwater got out of the retail gear game going for $400-500 a pop. A few wholesalers now have the last of blackwater's stock once they are gone thats it. It's a massive bag and I will give the full review and loadout soon.

Good Luck.
 

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I have a wholesale account with Fox outdoor.

They carry all the military packs. I can get several sizes, of several patterns. I can also get the large military field pack. although, it may be a bit much for your needs. The medium to large ALICE pack, or the medium to large Rio Grand sounds like a better fit.

Alice packs http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Bags+&+Packs&cat=Alice+Gear

Rio Grand http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=775&sctn=Bags+&+Packs

Look them over and let me know. I will see how good of a price I can get for you.

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Bags+&+Packs

As for internal, or external frame, I can get both. i prefer internal frames, but then i like to travel really light. if you have a lot of stuff, you would want the external frame as it is for much heavier loads.

I recently sold the Rio grands to a family near me. The husband got the big one, the wife the medium, and the 2 kids the smaller size.
 

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I have a wholesale account with Fox outdoor.

They carry all the military packs. I can get several sizes, of several patterns. I can also get the large military field pack. although, it may be a bit much for your needs. The medium to large ALICE pack, or the medium to large Rio Grand sounds like a better fit.

Alice packs http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Bags+&+Packs&cat=Alice+Gear

Rio Grand http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=775&sctn=Bags+&+Packs

Look them over and let me know. I will see how good of a price I can get for you.

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Bags+&+Packs

As for internal, or external frame, I can get both. i prefer internal frames, but then i like to travel really light. if you have a lot of stuff, you would want the external frame as it is for much heavier loads.

I recently sold the Rio grands to a family near me. The husband got the big one, the wife the medium, and the 2 kids the smaller size.
I wish I could see a photo of the harness system on the rio grand.
 

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i have recently bought 2 molle ruck bags w frame from a surplus store for 39 apiece, but have recently saw them on ebay for 29. i had used one in the marines. belive me they hold lots of stuff. plus u can get other accesories to customize ur bag. just my .02
 

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Okay, I have several friends that are worried about the future now that we have the false Messiah in office. They have asked me to assemble bug-out packs for them. I have been posting several questions around this forum gathering advice on various subjects related to this endeavour. I am trying my best to keep these packs under $1000, which is proving harder then it sounds. For this reason I am asking advice on backpacks that cost about $100. I have two question that I want everyone to share their opinions and experience on.

1. What is the best pack I can buy for about $100. Since it will be carrying a lot of stuff, I am thinking it will have to be 5000 cubic inches or more.

2. In you opinion, which type of pack is better; internal frame or external frame. Please explain why. Thanks.
Go to the REI.com website and look around at the outlet section. Watch for a month or two and you will find one. They put last seasons backpacking packs up for ~50% off.

And internal or external is just preference. Internal frames don't get caught on things as much as external frames do. External frames give you space to strap more stuff to the frame.
 

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I am not too familiar with the hunting/Cabella's type backpacks (anything that comes in camo), but for slightly less than the $100, look into the Kelty Red Cloud series. I used one that was bombproof, although it was a tad heavy for my backpacking trips.
Are you looking for something that looks military? hunting gear? Hiking/backpacking? or more like travel? I ask because some packs would fare better if you are attempting to blend in rather than look like a rogue commando that "probably has guns, knives and hand grenades in your pack"...kinda like...I could walk into any building carrying a gym bag, but if I were to walk in with my bunker gear bag I'd get some funny looks...

OR

ok, I'm not a cute chick, but you get the idea!
 

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I am not too familiar with the hunting/Cabella's type backpacks (anything that comes in camo), but for slightly less than the $100, look into the Kelty Red Cloud series. I used one that was bombproof, although it was a tad heavy for my backpacking trips.
Are you looking for something that looks military? hunting gear? Hiking/backpacking? or more like travel? I ask because some packs would fare better if you are attempting to blend in rather than look like a rogue commando that "probably has guns, knives and hand grenades in your pack"...kinda like...I could walk into any building carrying a gym bag, but if I were to walk in with my bunker gear bag I'd get some funny looks...

OR

ok, I'm not a cute chick, but you get the idea!
A lot of people have more of a military commando mentality when it comes to survival. That is not me. My mentality is more man against nature, then man against the government. If I could get quality in camo for the same price as red, blue, black or grey, I would probably go with camo just for the heck of it. But I am not going to spend a fortune just to get camo, if I can get better quality for less in regular colors. I myself have traveled a lot in foreign countries and had to live out of a pack for months. I like a lot of pockets. It helps to keep thing organized. Those huge single compartment packs are great for space, but inevitably, the item you want will be at the very bottom and you will have to empty your pack to get to it.
 

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I looked at the Rio Grands. They look real nice. How much would one of these cost? 54-07475T 32" x 18" x 8.5" 75 Liter British DPM Camo
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I am asking $79.95

These are nice packs, strong, but light in weight at the same time. On the other end of the scale we have the CPF-90 RANGE/ASSAULT PACK COMBO

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=631&sctn=Bags+&+Packs&cat=Backpacks

This is a bit more heavy duty bag and a bit more pricy, but it comes with the attachable assault pack that gives more storage compartments than the Rio Grand. Looking at them, I can see the Rio grand is probably based on the CPF 90

I can get the accompanying Assault pack separately, but not the CPF-90. It only comes with the Assault pack.

My thought would be to put emergency essentials in the assault pack, like an extensive First Aid kit, spare knife, compass, fire starting kit so these items are easily accessible. Cloths, mess kits personal grooming items and other lower priority gear in the main compartment or in one of the side pouches. You can attach an ax, foldable shovel, machete, extra bags pouches or other objects to the back of the pack. For example, a MOLLE butt pack for even more storage (I also carry those as well).

There are even more options here

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Bags+&+Packs&cat=Rucksacks

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=754&sctn=Bags+&+Packs&cat=Backpacks

Id get a bunch of sleeping bag straps to attach stuff with. They are just $2 each.

First aid Kits would also be on my list.

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Camping+&+Hunting&cat=First+Aid+Kits,+Etc.
 

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I am asking $79.95

These are nice packs, strong, but light in weight at the same time. On the other end of the scale we have the CPF-90 RANGE/ASSAULT PACK COMBO

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=631&sctn=Bags+&+Packs&cat=Backpacks

This is a bit more heavy duty bag and a bit more pricy, but it comes with the attachable assault pack that gives more storage compartments than the Rio Grand. Looking at them, I can see the Rio grand is probably based on the CPF 90

I can get the accompanying Assault pack separately, but not the CPF-90. It only comes with the Assault pack.

My thought would be to put emergency essentials in the assault pack, like an extensive First Aid kit, spare knife, compass, fire starting kit so these items are easily accessible. Cloths, mess kits personal grooming items and other lower priority gear in the main compartment or in one of the side pouches. You can attach an ax, foldable shovel, machete, extra bags pouches or other objects to the back of the pack. For example, a MOLLE butt pack for even more storage (I also carry those as well).

There are even more options here

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Bags+&+Packs&cat=Rucksacks

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=754&sctn=Bags+&+Packs&cat=Backpacks

Id get a bunch of sleeping bag straps to attach stuff with. They are just $2 each.

First aid Kits would also be on my list.

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Camping+&+Hunting&cat=First+Aid+Kits,+Etc.
The CPF-90 RANGE/ASSAULT PACK COMBO looks very nice. How much would it run? Once I find the right pack, I may need as many as ten to start with. I am sure that when I get these packs done there will be many more of my friends that will want me to assemble packs for them.

As far as first aid goes. I will assemble custom first aids kits and I am working on a custom first aid manual. I laugh at most first aid kits I see because any kit that does not include Novocaine, hypodermic needles and a suture kit and broad spectrum antibiotics at a bare minimum, is really just for a day at the park, where the hospital is just a 911 call and five minutes away. Of course I realize because the communistic control laws here in the US you cannot legally sale a kit that contains that kind of stuff to a common citizen. But I have my sources.
 

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The CPF-90 RANGE/ASSAULT PACK COMBO looks very nice. How much would it run? Once I find the right pack, I may need as many as ten to start with. I am sure that when I get these packs done there will be many more of my friends that will want me to assemble packs for them.

As far as first aid goes. I will assemble custom first aids kits and I am working on a custom first aid manual. I laugh at most first aid kits I see because any kit that does not include Novocaine, hypodermic needles and a suture kit and broad spectrum antibiotics at a bare minimum, is really just for a day at the park, where the hospital is just a 911 call and five minutes away. Of course I realize because the communistic control laws here in the US you cannot legally sale a kit that contains that kind of stuff to a common citizen. But I have my sources.
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The pricing is kind of weird on these. I generally ask $150.00, except for the woodland cammos ones. For some reason the wholesale on them is really high, so they retail around $190.00

I know that seems a bit above what you are looking for, but if you want to buy 10 upfront, I could probably make a deal. Let me do some figuring and see what I can do.

Have you thought of adding BDU's to your packs? This would be especially good for women who might get caught in less durable clothing and will need to change on the run. I can get both the 100% cotton, and the polyester/cotton mixes if you like.

What are you planing too include in yur packs, maybe I can help with other gear as well.
 

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The pricing is kind of weird on these. I generally ask $150.00, except for the woodland cammos ones. For some reason the wholesale on them is really high, so they retail around $190.00

I know that seems a bit above what you are looking for, but if you want to buy 10 upfront, I could probably make a deal. Let me do some figuring and see what I can do.

Have you thought of adding BDU's to your packs? This would be especially good for women who might get caught in less durable clothing and will need to change on the run. I can get both the 100% cotton, and the polyester/cotton mixes if you like.

What are you planing too include in yur packs, maybe I can help with other gear as well.
Wow, that's a jump in price. The pack looks great and at that price I might get one for myself, but the final pack I choose for these kits will have to work with everything else to keep the price below $1000.

Yes, I have thought about at least one set of BDU's per kit.

Here is a rough short list that I am working on. Not complete or refined yet, but it is a start.

1. Machete (21" high quality.)
2. 1 Quart Durable water container (Military canteen)
3. Portable water filtration system.
4. 1 Metal Match
5. 200 Hooks (Assorted Sizes, with most being Size 6 and 9. I like Eagle Claw bait holder style)
6. Fishing line ( 1 Spool of 12LB and 1 of 30LB)
7. Dependable 22 caliber rifle (Ruger 10/122 or similar).
8. 500 rounds 22 ammo in waterproof container.
9. Hand held High Quality Compass
10. Regional Map (As detailed as possible, preferable water proof).
11. Rain Poncho or small tarp.
12. Warm high quality sleeping bag.
13. Durable lightweight small tent.
14. Crank powered LED Flashlight.
15. Good Survival Guide book that has a regional edible pants list.
16. 1 Large metal or Aluminum mug (with metal or aluminum handle).
17. 1 Large metal spoon.
18. 2 quart aluminum pan.
19. 8" Knife
20. First Aid Kit.
21. Extra Clothes (2 pairs of pants, shirts, underwear, socks and 1 warm jacket.
22. Solar or crank powered shortwave radio.
23. 5 Scripto Lighters
24. 2 bars Ivory body soap.
25. Sewing Kit
26. Collapsible water container.
27. 1 Space blanket
28. Seasoning salt
29. Iodized salt
30. Bullion (chicken and beef).
31. 3 packages Instant oatmeal
32. 3 packages instant grits.
33. 2 pounds powered mash potatoes
34. Leather gloves.
35. 100 multi-vitamins.


Listen. I will only be able to respond a few more times in the next 24 hours. I am leaving for Salt Lake City, Utah tomorrow evening. I won't be back for 3 or 4 days. A friend of mine is building a water well drilling rig and he bought some diesel engines from the military base in Salt Lake City. I am helping him build the rig and when we are finish he is going to drill me a well on a small piece of land I bought in a very remote area. It has a dry stock pond on it and I plan to put up an old fashion windmill water pump system on this new well to fill up the pond. I will use the pond to grow fish and to irrigate my 3 acre garden that will grow food for me and grains for my 30+ (and growing) chicken flock.

Anyway, if I stop responding you will know why.
 

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The Rio Grand would probably be your best bet then, considering you price range you want to be in.

Here are some other things I can get for you, from your list:

1. Machete (21" high quality.) - Genuine Collins machete - 18" or 21"blade $9.95 $ 10.50

2. 1 Quart Durable water container (Military canteen) - 1qt + cover (available in different colors) $9.95 including the cover
http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Camping+&+Hunting&cat=Canteens+&+Accessories

4. 1 Metal Match - I can't get these, however I can get the Magnesium Fire starters for 6.95 each. In my opinion there are the best emergency fire starters made.

9. Hand held High Quality Compass -I have several, what style do you want? I have the normal Silva types that are flat, clear plastic $12.95 & $14.95. they are especially good for map use, and also the military issue with Tritium illumination. The Tritium is $79.99 The compass pouch is $2.99

11. Rain Poncho or small tarp. - GI ripstop Poncho $16.99 Adult vinyl Ponchos $4.99

15. Good Survival Guide book that has a regional edible pants list. I can get the US Army Survival guide $24.99, and the SAS Essential Survival guide $19.95. These are probably the best emergency guides there are. but they are not big on regional edible plants. I would recomend the Essential Wild food survival Guide, but I cannot get this book.


16. 1 Large metal or Aluminum mug (with metal or aluminum handle).
17. 1 Large metal spoon.
18. 2 quart aluminum pan. - For these I would actually recommend a stainless steel mess kit. Aluminum is associated with altziemner's disease. It is thought the Aluminum that builds on the brain that causes it comes from aluminum cookware. I sell the Swedish army mess kit ($9.95) because it is Stainless steel. I can get the aluminum ones, but I refuse to sell them. I would also recommend the 2 piec mess kit as well $12.99 and a stainless Chow kit for the silverware $6.95 It comes with spoon, knife and fork in a little clear plastic case. I have the European 4 piece chow set as well. It too is stainless steel. ($12.95) This one is a small lock back knife with a corkscrew and detachable fork and spoons in a tough little nylon case with a belt loop. This is the one I have in my pack.

19. 8" Knife - Do you mean 8" over all? or an 8" blade? My personal recommendation would be the USArmy/Airforce Survival knife $39.95. They are a bit smaller than you are asking, but much more versatile than the larger ones.

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=1030&sctn=Security+&+Survival&cat=Knives

If you really want to large blade, I would recommend a Ka- Bar $54.95 You can get Ka Bar in the short style as well $45.99

20. First Aid Kit. I can get surgical kits$29.95 and basic kits as well as fully loaded M-3 medic bags, Plus I can get empty cases if you want to build your own.

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=397
http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Camping+&+Hunting&cat=First+Aid+Kits,+Etc.

Empty bags to build your own http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=24 & http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=63 & http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=1073

21. Extra Clothes (2 pairs of pants, shirts, underwear, socks and 1 warm jacket. For clothing, I have a good selection. BDU's will be $29.95 for all sizes and colors. Everything else you have to ask me about.

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?sctn=Clothing

26. Collapsible water container $9.95
http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=320

27. 1 Space blanket $2.99 each

A few things I would recommend in addition to your list

1. A water proof map case for each map you have $12.95 This could be critical if for some reason your maps are exposed to wet conditions. They will be ruined without protection.

2. weather proof matches, or strike anywhere matches. I can get these for you. I would actually suggest (if you have time) to buy the strike anywhere matches, and dip them one, by one in hot candle wax to water proof them.

3 a good insect repellent http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=404&sctn=Camping+&+Hunting&cat=First+Aid+Kits,+Etc.

4. a signal mirror

5 A packable hammock or even using a hammock as your tents, like this one $38.99. http://www.foxoutdoor.com/detail.asp?bid=342


Look through all these pages and see if you see anything else that might be important.

http://www.foxoutdoor.com/catalog.asp?pg=1&sctn=Camping+&+Hunting
 
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