[Gladius]

Right now the Colt 6920 is available for as little as $933 (Cheaper Than Dirt). When asked what AR15 rifle I recommend for less than $1k, I point folks towards the Colt 6920.

 

[Heckler&Coke]

Not bad, it's the obvious choice....but how many manufacturers have caught up to, or surpassed, Colt quality at the same price, in today's market?

I'd wager a few.

 

[*Paladin*]

If it's a LE6920, that is a pretty good buy. :thumb:

 

[NHP1127]

Not bad, it's the obvious choice....but how many manufacturers have caught up to, or surpassed, Colt quality at the same price, in today's market?

I'd wager a few.

Don't know of any AR's that have surpassed the MIL specs or have the reputation or resale of Colt at that price point. A couple MIL spec rifles are avail below that price point Ie: PSA, but people will pay a bit more for the Colt rep and rollmark.

 

[Gladius]

Not bad, it's the obvious choice....but how many manufacturers have caught up to, or surpassed, Colt quality at the same price, in today's market?

I'd wager a few.

At the same price? I can't think of any.

Most top tier manufacturers are for a similarly configured rifle will be just over the $1k mark.

 

[Heckler&Coke]

I'm not so sold that "mil-spec" and "top-tier" is all it's made out to be.

 

[13FoxTrot10]

Thanks for the video.

$933 is a good price for that rifle. Given the choice, in that price range, I'd pick it over everything else simply due to the Colt resale koolaid Seriously, they do resell well.

Now on to the use of the phrase "top tier". 20 years ago, Colt was at the top of the "top tier" Today? Not so much. Of course that means a lot more money. Pretty obvious that in the company of LWRC, Noveske, LMT, KAC, etc, Colt is pretty far down the list.

Then of course we have the "Colt making them longer than anyone". Odd, I've always understood that Armalite was first?

 

[Gladius]

I'm not so sold that "mil-spec" and "top-tier" is all it's made out to be.

So you found a picture of am AR15 someone managed to blow up and this is your evidence Colt isn't a top tier manufacturer?

There's your evidence HK makes a poor product and isn't a top tier handgun manufacturer.

Anecdotal evidence such as a random picture of a blown-up rifle is hardly proof Colt has quality issues. Even if the blown-up rifle pictured was the fault of the rifle and not the ammo, every top tier manufacturer has firearms slip through that had issues. I've owned a HK that was unreliable (P30) and ultimately my dealer took it back because it was so bad. I've had a Knights Armament AR that was completely unreliable, even after two trips back to Knights for repairs. Despite my first hand experience with these two top tier companies, I know they are still top tier.

Most AR15 aficionados accept that Colt is a top tier manufacturer. Go to any dedicated AR15 site and bring up the topic of top tier AR's and Colt will always be included in the list. A vocal minority like to take shots at Colt, but most with experience with many different AR makers will acknowledge that Colt makes a top of the line AR.

 

[Gladius]

Thanks for the video.

$933 is a good price for that rifle. Given the choice, in that price range, I'd pick it over everything else simply due to the Colt resale koolaid Seriously, they do resell well.

Now on to the use of the phrase "top tier". 20 years ago, Colt was at the top of the "top tier" Today? Not so much. Of course that means a lot more money. Pretty obvious that in the company of LWRC, Noveske, LMT, KAC, etc, Colt is pretty far down the list.

Then of course we have the "Colt making them longer than anyone". Odd, I've always understood that Armalite was first?

Colt is still a top tier maker today.

Armalite went out of business decades ago. The Armalite that exists today isn't the same company that designed the AR10/AR15. The "new" Armalite that was reborn started in 1995. So yes, Colt has been making them longer than anyone else.

 

[Mortehl]

Maintenance, Maintenance, Maintenance.

You get the occasional manufacturer's defect of course, but in my personal estimation, 75% or more weapons failures come from lack of proper maintenance and half of the remainder come from stupid user error involving usage.

 

[NHP1127]

Plain and simple, good specs are good specs. If paying the same price, good specs are GREAT specs.

 

[Heckler&Coke]

So you found a picture of am AR15 someone managed to blow up and this is your evidence Colt isn't a top tier manufacturer?

There's your evidence HK makes a poor product and isn't a top tier handgun manufacturer.

Anecdotal evidence such as a random picture of a blown-up rifle is hardly proof Colt has quality issues. Even if the blown-up rifle pictured was the fault of the rifle and not the ammo, every top tier manufacturer has firearms slip through that had issues. I've owned a HK that was unreliable (P30) and ultimately my dealer took it back because it was so bad. I've had a Knights Armament AR that was completely unreliable, even after two trips back to Knights for repairs. Despite my first hand experience with these two top tier companies, I know they are still top tier.

Most AR15 aficionados accept that Colt is a top tier manufacturer. Go to any dedicated AR15 site and bring up the topic of top tier AR's and Colt will always be included in the list. A vocal minority like to take shots at Colt, but most with experience with many different AR makers will acknowledge that Colt makes a top of the line AR.

The story behind that H&K was gunshow reloads at 2x max pressure....

Today I blew up my full size USP45. I stupidly bought some ammo at a gun show from what seemed to be a reputable dealer. He told me it was surplus military ammo, and I believed him. (...) I just thought I would give you an update on the status of my HK USP after its catastophic failure… one month later the gun is back in my hands, as good as new. They installed my slide and barrel on a brand new lower unit (including a new magazine), test-fired it, and returned it to me. Total damage, including overnight shipping to my door was $162.50.

HK customer service was excellent.

So....


I'll raise you another couple 6920s...

 

[Gladius]

I'll see your raise and raise you one myself.

Again, random pictures of guns blown-up because of who knows what (usually user error, reloads, or faulty factory ammo) is hardly damning evidence.

While this is fun, I won't continue to play this rather mindless game. It proves absolutely nothing except we can google random images of unknown failures that prove absolutely nothing other than guns can and do blow up.

 

[WSierra]

There is no reason that a decent AR couldn't be manufactured and sold for $5-600.
No, it won't happen, the market will still support higher prices.
But let the Chinese enter the AR market...
I'm surprised they haven't cracked the AR clone market yet.
There's nothing magic about the design.

 

[djthemac]

Ill double down with a PSA Mil spec rifle WITH AIMPOINT!

http://palmettostatearmory.com/2557.php

what now beeches

 

[Grevlin]

Ill double down with a PSA Mil spec rifle WITH AIMPOINT!

http://palmettostatearmory.com/2557.php

what now beeches

That's quite an "Out-of-the-box" package.

 

[Gladius]

Ill double down with a PSA Mil spec rifle WITH AIMPOINT!

http://palmettostatearmory.com/2557.php

what now beeches

That is a great deal. PSA has really stepped up the game recently with their offerings.

I may have to pick one of these up.

 

[Heckler&Coke]

One more Tier 1 Colt....We have an actual M4 here:

While this is fun, I won't continue to play this rather mindless game. It proves absolutely nothing except we can google random images of unknown failures
that prove absolutely nothing other than guns can and do blow up.

Yay! I win the internetz!

But, yes, in all seriousness, the 6920 is a good rifle. But I continue to believe that there are in fact, several makers that are as good as Colt, in the price range. Colt is just like H&K in the regard that the logo is worth as much, or more than the actual rifle...

 

[NavigatinCollapse]

I'm not so sold that "mil-spec" and "top-tier" is all it's made out to be.

Any firearm will blow up with an improperly charged cartridge or a squib.

Another Sub $1K Colt.

http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/CO6920-OB.aspx

I would normally recommend a BCM, LMT upper and build a lower to stay under $1K but you can't beat a sub $1K Colt.

 

[NavigatinCollapse]

There is no reason that a decent AR couldn't be manufactured and sold for $5-600.
No, it won't happen, the market will still support higher prices.
But let the Chinese enter the AR market...
I'm surprised they haven't cracked the AR clone market yet.
There's nothing magic about the design.

Acually they have and sell them in Canada. No way I would ever own one. That's just sacreligious. I'm not communist. I won't support it.