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The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) serves as a clearing house for information regarding missing, abused, and exploited children.

While NCMEC assists with missing children cases, it is my understanding that most of their resources is dedicated toward human trafficking and child sexual abuse media (child pornography).

NCMEC maintains a file fingerprint database of nearly 200,000,000 child sexual abuse images and videos. The data pours in from all over the world. NCMEC generates tips to local agencies about predators producing, possessing, or distributing CSAM.

Predators are typically classified into three groups:

Pedophile - a person who has a strong, persistent sexual interest in prepubescent children, often in the age range of 0 to 11 years of age.

Hebephile - a person who has a strong, persistent sexual interest in children 11 to 14 years of age.

Ephebophile - a person who has a strong, persistent sexual interest in adolescent children 15 to 18 years of age.


Those that collect, possess, distribute, or produce child CSAM are the target of specialized teams of law enforcement.



What exactly is child sexual abuse material?

Depending on the state, it can be an image or video of a child simply exposing her breasts to the graphic depiction of a child being sexually molested and/or raped.


Under Federal law the definition of child pornography:

...any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor. Undeveloped film, undeveloped videotape, and electronically stored data that can be converted into a visual image of child pornography are also deemed illegal visual depictions under federal law.

Notably, the legal definition of sexually explicit conduct does not require that an image depict a child engaging in sexual activity. A picture of a naked child may constitute illegal child pornography if it is sufficiently sexually suggestive. Additionally, the age of consent for sexual activity in a given state is irrelevant; any depiction of a minor under 18 years of age engaging in sexually explicit conduct is illegal.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-pornography


In more practical terms, if an image or video depicts a real child being raped, or exposing their genitals in a sexual manner, it is unlawful to possess under Federal law. There are very specific legal exceptions that allow some predators to get away with possessing child erotica. I will not list them here for obvious reasons.

If the exploitive media possessed, distributed, or produced does not meet the definition of CSAM, then it may be considered child erotica, which in many states is not illegal!

The horror of the media produced by these predators is beyond a sane person's imagination.

The comments they make in the videos and the brutality of some of the acts is beyond comprehension. Investigators do not listen to the audio unless absolutely necessary.

The abuse and production of media can go on for years and can be for personal pleasure, monetary reasons, or as a means to trade or barter for other CSAM.


Investigators and prosecutors in many jurisdictions have moved away from self-produced (adolescent) cases, unless their is a reason to believe that the child produced it for an adult or it was distributed online.


Investigators have seen predator offenders have terabytes of child abuse material and child erotica. Some possessing over a million images and videos.

This problem is real, the victims are often voiceless, or being actively suppressed. I will continue this in a follow up post.
 

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I have to say - and I will put this as 'PC' as possible - IMO, there is a Difference between 'killing' - that our Creator not only actually allowed - but sanctioned / authorized / Ordered - ....and Murder (which He obviously, rightly, and Clearly condemns... don't believe me? just Read the Bible) and while I respect all Life, both human and animal (Food is one thing, but I cannot support 'hunting for sport', etc..), I have to say I would Absolutely Sign Up for being allowed to help *eviscerate* such filth, if such were authorized / permitted again...

'..And my eye would Not feel sorry...'

Reform?? Nah, you can 'reform' when the worms turn you back into mud, and - maybe - your Creator will 'give you a second chance' when He resurrects 'both the Righteous and unrighteous'.. If He makes that call, Then - and Only then - will it be considerable.. Short of that.. 'Jail & Therapy'?? Pfff, ya just.. No... ie: 'NAMBLA', Go get :taped: by Fire and Sulfur from Heaven.. :mad:

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I invested in some pills that are 100% effective in curing not only paedophilia, but also a plethora of other mental defects. They're rather large for pills, but considering they're usually administered by long range injection, as opposed to swallowing, the kiddie diddlers in question should have no cause for concern. And they're fast-acting, too, delivering results at 2500 feet per second.

At last count, if first treatment proved effective in all cases, I have enough medicine to cure over 10,000 paedos. Not a bad prep, imnsho.
 

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I find one thing very provoking on FB. Grandmothers in particular putting up naked photos of their grand children. "Oh, she just won't wear clothes".

I have tried, in vain, to tell her perverts are touching themselves looking at these images, which are spread world wide in seconds after she posts them. She said I was a pervert.

It got so upsetting I had to block a few women. You just don't put up naked or topless images of girls, little or big, online, EVER. Someone is getting off to them and the child could be abducted if they develop an obsession.
 

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The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) serves as a clearing house for information regarding missing, abused, and exploited children.

While NCMEC assists with missing children cases, it is my understanding that most of their resources is dedicated toward human trafficking and child sexual abuse media (child pornography).

NCMEC maintains a file fingerprint database of nearly 200,000,000 child sexual abuse images and videos. The data pours in from all over the world. NCMEC generates tips to local agencies about predators producing, possessing, or distributing CSAM.

Predators are typically classified into three groups:

Pedophile - a person who has a strong, persistent sexual interest in prepubescent children, often in the age range of 0 to 11 years of age.

Hebephile - a person who has a strong, persistent sexual interest in children 11 to 14 years of age.

Ephebophile - a person who has a strong, persistent sexual interest in adolescent children 15 to 18 years of age.


Those that collect, possess, distribute, or produce child CSAM are the target of specialized teams of law enforcement.



What exactly is child sexual abuse material?

Depending on the state, it can be an image or video of a child simply exposing her breasts to the graphic depiction of a child being sexually molested and/or raped.


Under Federal law the definition of child pornography:



https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-pornography


In more practical terms, if an image or video depicts a real child being raped, or exposing their genitals in a sexual manner, it is unlawful to possess under Federal law. There are very specific legal exceptions that allow some predators to get away with possessing child erotica. I will not list them here for obvious reasons.

If the exploitive media possessed, distributed, or produced does not meet the definition of CSAM, then it may be considered child erotica, which in many states is not illegal!

The horror of the media produced by these predators is beyond a sane person's imagination.

The comments they make in the videos and the brutality of some of the acts is beyond comprehension. Investigators do not listen to the audio unless absolutely necessary.

The abuse and production of media can go on for years and can be for personal pleasure, monetary reasons, or as a means to trade or barter for other CSAM.


Investigators and prosecutors in many jurisdictions have moved away from self-produced (adolescent) cases, unless their is a reason to believe that the child produced it for an adult or it was distributed online.


Investigators have seen predator offenders have terabytes of child abuse material and child erotica. Some possessing over a million images and videos.

This problem is real, the victims are often voiceless, or being actively suppressed. I will continue this in a follow up post.
The FBI appear to be entirely useless, BTW. A young friend of mine, who is 19 now, had several incidents where underage photos of her were lifted from social media and used in ads for porn sites, modified as nudefakes and posted to various forums, and otherwise improperly and often criminally sexualized.

About a year and a half ago, she messaged me completely inconsolable because there were some really nasty nudefakes posted on a site that featured members doing things sexually to the photos. I reported it to the FBI, then found that the same site had actual child porn of children as young as infants. And it's still up and thriving a year and a half later.
 

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The FBI are entirely useless, BTW. A young friend of mine, who is 19 now, had several incidents where underage photos of her were lifted from social media and used in ads for porn sites, modified as nudefakes and posted to various forums, and otherwise improperly and often criminally sexualized.

About a year and a half ago, she messaged me completely inconsolable because there were some really nasty nudefakes posted on a site that featured members doing things sexually to the photos. I reported it to the FBI, then found that the same site had actual child porn of children as young as infants. And it's still up and thriving a year and a half later.


Unfortunately many of the servers that child predators use are outside the United States in countries where the laws are either lax or there are insufficient resources to pursue these crimes. Europol has it's own specialized unit as does Interpol. Basically most civilized countries pursue these cases readily.
 

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I find one thing very provoking on FB. Grandmothers in particular putting up naked photos of their grand children. "Oh, she just won't wear clothes".

I have tried, in vain, to tell her perverts are touching themselves looking at these images, which are spread world wide in seconds after she posts them. She said I was a pervert.

It got so upsetting I had to block a few women. You just don't put up naked or topless images of girls, little or big, online, EVER. Someone is getting off to them and the child could be abducted if they develop an obsession.
You are absolutely correct. We've run across suspects who were not very knowledgeable with regards to how to obtain child abuse media. These suspects were collecting child erotic images from social media, photo galleries, youtube, and other easily accessible sources.
 

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Part 2: The internet is the perfect platform for these criminals.

Predators form social networks to solicit, distribute, and collect CSAM. Reading messages between two predators attempting to feel each other out, is a dance of evil. Each predator is trying to get the other one to be the first to submit illegal content, wary of the other being LE. Due to their strong urges, someone eventually gives in and starts trading, knowing that it could possibly be LE on the other side.

Predators hide behind end-to-end encryption on apps and social media communications. Entire rings or private groups exist and are often abusing children under their care to produce for the others. Sometimes children are physically swapped and raped.

Many of these predators are not shy about their attraction to children and reflect it in their handles such as "dad4daughterz", or "boysrbest". It is not illegal to have a sexual attraction toward children.

There are sites, accessible by a Google search, that host CSAM. Google does it's best to prevent known and unknown sites from being indexed and added, but they do slip through.

Though the vast majority of media is traded in chat rooms and on forums on the dark web. Peer-to-peer networks are used as well.

New sources seem to be constantly appearing.

Predators openly trade knowledge about hindering or obstructing law enforcement. Some of them go so far as studying computer forensics to cover their tracks. There is at least one manual floating around covering topics from luring the first victim, to fleeing the country.
 

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Part 3: "sex with children is normal and does not harm them" - LIES

The mindset of predators widely varies.

There are groups who call themselves "Virtuous Pedophiles" - people who have a sexual attraction to children but do not act on it. Of course there is no certainty that any "virtuous pedophile" won't eventually act but I would rather they out themselves and be known than stay hidden.

I have read a conversation where two pedophiles argued about how a child is treated. Both agree that sex is okay for the child, but one argued that it needs to be "consensual" while the other argued that children simply don't know that they will enjoy the abuse. There are often arguments about what acts go "too far". Obviously NONE of it is acceptable.


The most evil, horrific statements come from the sadistic pedophiles. They derive pleasure from the physical and mental harm caused to the child. Statements like "I enjoy watching the light in their eyes die". These monsters often use bondage instruments and chains to inflict pain. Some of the victims are as young as 2 years old.


Incest seems to be fairly common as many victims personally know their abuser. A family member has close and unguarded access.

Necro-pedophilia also exists. The question that haunts these cases is if the child was deceased before the perpetrator committed the acts or if it was done afterward, and who or what caused the passing of the child.

Again, investigators tend to leave the sound off, unless absolutely necessary. The sounds of children screaming and crying out is absolute horror.




These monsters come from a variety of backgrounds, but more often hold a position of trust - police, military, firefighters, priests, doctors, granparents, fathers, mothers, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins etc.
 

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Part 4: "Kiddie Porn - They are only images"

"Kiddie Porn" - a phrase that makes my skin crawl. Calling child sexual abuse media "kiddie porn" is practically condoning the abuse. It's a dismissive term.

Yes, CSAM is only images and videos.


However, they are graphic DOCUMENTATION OF AN EGREGIOUS CRIME against the most innocent and helpless members of our society.


Never be dismissive of CSAM!

Remember, predators produce these images so they can use it to get sexual gratification later on.

They also use it to trade with other predators.

Possessing, distributing, and collecting create a "need in the market", for lack of better words. Every time a picture is collected or distributed, it is a form of re-victimization. The collector might as well be giving a "thumbs up".


Don't ever believe someone who has CSAM if they say "they would never actually hurt a child". Statistically it is believed that as much as 90% of pedo, ****, and ephebophiles have committed hands-on offenses.

And don't ever buy the excuse "I was abused as a child".

If you were in a horrifying traffic crash, would you be actively looking for pictures and video of the same trauma to collect?
 

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...don't ever buy the excuse "I was abused... If you were in a horrifying traffic crash, would you be actively looking for pictures and video of the same trauma...
Well, on one hand, some people that Are in 'horrific crashes' (ie: plane crash survivors, etc) actually Need to 'go see / re-play', to gain 'closure'.. Everyone grieves / heals differently, but.. Your point is still valid, it's just more like a person being in a horrific crash, Then going out and purposefully causing horrific crashes involving others, because, well.. They got 'hurt', therefore, others must also suffer.. :rolleyes:

..and even If such would retort 'yeah, but I'm just looking at images, not Actually abusing the kids (ergo, 'crashing into others'..) well.. Someone - those who made those images - Did, and you're :taped: now Part of it, like you illuminate, above..

BJJ, it seems that you must be in LE / involved in chasing this :taped: down, and I don't know How you manage to NOT obliterate those whom you - confirm, of course - Are actually involved in this filth.. I don't think I could do it, I'd just lose it on them, I've Zero tolerance for such demon-puppets..

..Ps, very 'compelling' / disturbing movie trilogy illuminating such diabolical sickos is the 'Millennium' novel series, which spawned the 'Girl with the.. / Girl who...', film trilogy (the Swedish ones.. the American 'adaptations' were very Meh by comparison..) and even They didn't even barely scratch the surface (of the 'true Underground'..) It's almost unfathomably-Huge, totally International, and it seems the more 'high up' / affluent people are, the higher-chance they're neck deep in it, if not facilitating or even Producing it..

...Death is too Good for such evil.. They (and those who produce 'just the images'..) should be forced to Feel Every Single Thing they inflicted on the Children they victimized...

Ugh, sorry for the rant, I just have Zero 'sympathy' for those animals.. The destruction of ancient 'Sodom and Gomorrah' by fire and sulfur and the annihilation of Other Biblically-recorded nations - that abused / sacrificed their Own children Alive, in fire to their 'sex gods', was Totally warranted, imo..

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Well, on one hand, some people that Are in 'horrific crashes' (ie: plane crash survivors, etc) actually Need to 'go see / re-play', to gain 'closure'.. Everyone grieves / heals differently, but.. Your point is still valid, it's just more like a person being in a horrific crash, Then going out and purposefully causing horrific crashes involving others, because, well.. They got 'hurt', therefore, others must also suffer.. :rolleyes:

..and even If such would retort 'yeah, but I'm just looking at images, not Actually abusing the kids (ergo, 'crashing into others'..) well.. Someone - those who made those images - Did, and you're :taped: now Part of it...

BJJ, it seems that you must be in LE / involved in chasing this :taped: down, and I don't know How you manage to NOT obliterate those whom you - confirm, of course - Are actually involved in this filth.. I don't think I could do it, I'd just lose it on them, I've Zero tolerance for such demon-puppets..

..Ps, very 'compelling' / disturbing movie trilogy illuminating such diabolical sickos is the 'Millennium' novel series, which spawned the 'Girl with the.. / Girl who...', film trilogy (the Swedish ones.. the American 'adaptations' were very Meh by comparison..) and even They didn't even barely scratch the surface (of the 'true Underground'..) It's almost unfathomably-Huge, totally International, and it seems the more 'high up' / affluent people are, the higher-chance they're neck deep in it, if not facilitating or even Producing it..

...Death is too Good for such evil.. They (and those who produce 'just the images'..) should be forced to Feel Every Single Thing they inflicted on the Children they victimized...

Ugh, sorry for the rant, I just have Zero 'sympathy' for those animals..

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Soj, I agree with you. as a child I was physically abused, but I did not grow up and abuse my children. And as someone who endured physical abuse I turned against all forms of child abuse. To me, anyone who abuses a child should be put to death, a slow agonizing death. And I am not ashamed to say that this is one thing that I would absolutely be willing to go to prison for.
 

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Part 3: "sex with children is normal and does not harm them" - LIES

The mindset of predators widely varies.

There are groups who call themselves "Virtuous Pedophiles" - people who have a sexual attraction to children but do not act on it. Of course there is no certainty that any "virtuous pedophile" won't eventually act but I would rather they out themselves and be known than stay hidden.

I have read a conversation where two pedophiles argued about how a child is treated. Both agree that sex is okay for the child, but one argued that it needs to be "consensual" while the other argued that children simply don't know that they will enjoy the abuse. There are often arguments about what acts go "too far". Obviously NONE of it is acceptable.


The most evil, horrific statements come from the sadistic pedophiles. They derive pleasure from the physical and mental harm caused to the child. Statements like "I enjoy watching the light in their eyes die". These monsters often use bondage instruments and chains to inflict pain. Some of the victims are as young as 2 years old.


Incest seems to be fairly common as many victims personally know their abuser. A family member has close and unguarded access.

Necro-pedophilia also exists. The question that haunts these cases is if the child was deceased before the perpetrator committed the acts or if it was done afterward, and who or what caused the passing of the child.

Again, investigators tend to leave the sound off, unless absolutely necessary. The sounds of children screaming and crying out is absolute horror.




These monsters come from a variety of backgrounds, but more often hold a position of trust - police, military, firefighters, priests, doctors, granparents, fathers, mothers, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins etc.
They even have a name for it: "Minor Attracted Person (MAP)," thinking it makes them sound more reasonable. Personally, I dont care whether they act on it or not, it's still evil.
 

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Consequences...

They even have a name for it: "Minor Attracted Person (MAP)," thinking it makes them sound more reasonable. Personally, I dont care whether they act on it or not, it's still evil.
What I'm not clear on are why sanctions cannot be created that are more preventive with respect to causation.

In my state, for example, a law was passed that essentially allowed the state to not release certain prisoners after they had served their court-appointed sentences.

Instead, the state said, "IF there was a sufficiently high probability that the prisoner, once released, would re-offend - then they could be kept in prison by the State virtually without limit - until such time as they were no longer likely to re-offend." Unsurprisingly, this endless sentence applied to those sentenced to long prison terms for sex offenses.

The civil libertarian inside me was concerned that allowing the State to determine the point at which a sexually-motivated offender would no longer be likely to re-offend was sort of counter-productive. How would anyone determine this? What sort of penalty would they suffer if they were wrong?

I wondered aloud why the State could not simply order an inmate to be chemically castrated, or surgically castrated for that matter. Let's see - the State is able, through the Courts, to order an inmate to be put to death. It takes awhile, but it pretty much ensures they will not re-offend. The State is able to essentially order an inmate held indefinitely if the State believes they will re-offend. It takes some court-appointed lawyers, but it pretty much ensures they will not be able to re-offend.

So why could the state not order a child molester or someone convicted of producing the worst sort of child pornography to be surgically castrated?

Remove the motivation, and you pretty much ensure they will not be able to re-offend. The outcome is the same as those remedies the State is able to effect currently. It seems odd that the State can order a man to be put to death, but not order that same man to be surgically castrated. :xeye:

As I view the matter, the primary motivation of child pornographers is to make a lot of money, true. But the secondary motivation is that they enjoy being child pornographers. Currently there are no sanctions applicable by the State which remove that enjoyment.

Perhaps it is time, considering the international scope of the problem, to reconsider what sort of consequences are both adequate and appropriate to impress upon offenders the gravity of their crimes, while simultaneously ensuring they will not be able to re-offend.

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I find one thing very provoking on FB. Grandmothers in particular putting up naked photos of their grand children. "Oh, she just won't wear clothes".

I have tried, in vain, to tell her perverts are touching themselves looking at these images, which are spread world wide in seconds after she posts them. She said I was a pervert.

It got so upsetting I had to block a few women. You just don't put up naked or topless images of girls, little or big, online, EVER. Someone is getting off to them and the child could be abducted if they develop an obsession.
Look at what happened to little JonBonet Ramsey.
 

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Exactly, I have a FB friend who has a little girl into cheerleading, wears these little "outfits" for her competitions and barely covered, heavy makeup, then pictures of her half dressed in these outfits holding her doll, I just KNOW someone is...

YUCK.
 

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Is there s way to obtain the identities of these perps for doxing or a more hands on solution or is this another bloated agency bureaucracy situation with little to no results?
My state has a public sex offender registry. Try googling your state sex offender registry. Note it's not only for pedophiles and their ilk--this is all convicted sex offenders, but I think it lists their offense type.

Not really meant to "dox" them, but for awareness and to map how close you live to their registered address. Provides a photo so you know who to watch for. Hardly a perfect system, but better than nothing.
 
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