The wooden bats are very heavy compared to the wooden baton.
I think an aluminum T-ball bat would be more than enough.
Keep a kid’s glove and a ball so you don’t have to explain anything
if you happen to get pulled over.

 

...I think an aluminum T-ball bat would be more than enough...

On Youtube I saw a person get in the head with an aluminum bat. The weapon bounced off the head and didn't knock the guy out. My hunch is wood is better.

...I spent many years stick fighting and played with a lot of these kinds of things.

A baseball bat is a lot heavier and hits much harder.

But its also a lot slower and harder to control.

A skilled baton fighter can take apart a guy with a baseball bat in seconds.

But if both parties are trained the baton fighter has a lot of advantages in speed and range the bat fighter won't even if he is equally skilled.

So, if you're going to learn study stick fighting as martial art, a baton is by far the better option.

If you just want to pick up something and swing it, go with a baseball bat and hope you never have to fight someone who knows what they are doing...

Interesting post. I remember a school for stick fighting. I think it is called Dog Brothers.

I don't know what kind of stick martial arts practitioners use, but IIRC the escrima sticks are light weight. I'm wondering if the Kenpo sticks are the same as escrima sticks.

 

From the point of view of a legal perspective, a baseball bat is probably better. "Judge, I felt in fear of my life and grabbed my baseball bat at the spur of the moment and used it when I was being threatened." This sounds better than "I thought I might need to kill someone in self defense so I bought an expandable baton and learned to use it, then struck the scumbag on the temple this killing him."

 

It depends.

I spent many years stick fighting and played with a lot of these kinds of things.

A baseball bat is a lot heavier and hits much harder.

But its also a lot slower and harder to control.

A skilled baton fighter can take apart a guy with a baseball bat in seconds.

But, there are very very few skilled baton fighters. If we assume two people without much training the baseball bat will probably win simply through brute force as it takes some skill to take advantage of the batons inherent advantages.

But if both parties are trained the baton fighter has a lot of advantages in speed and range the bat fighter won't even if he is equally skilled.

So, if you're going to learn study stick fighting as martial art, a baton is by far the better option.

If you just want to pick up something and swing it, go with a baseball bat and hope you never have to fight someone who knows what they are doing.

FYI, police use batons because they mostly have very rudimentary training and are less likely to kill on accident with a baton than they are with a bat as you have to know what you are doing to generate lethal force with a baton, although again, if you are trained its potentially faster and deadlier than a bat.

 

The smaller wood or aluminum baseball bats for children are shorter and much lighter and easier to wield than adult size bats. I have a couple of the small bats. One is 26" long the other is 29" long. I see them in thrift shops all the time. Years ago I drilled holes through the sides of a small wood bat and drove framing nails through it and then cut the nail heads off to create 3/4" spikes on the end of the bat. Thankfully, I've never had reason to use it. It wouldn't be my first choice for a defensive tool.

 

The smaller wood or aluminum baseball bats for children are shorter and much lighter and easier to wield than adult size bats. I have a couple of the small bats. One is 26" long the other is 29" long. I see them in thrift shops all the time. Years ago I drilled holes through the sides of a small wood bat and drove framing nails through it and then cut the nail heads off to create 3/4" spikes on the end of the bat. Thankfully, I've never had reason to use it. It wouldn't be my first choice for a defensive tool.

 

That bat full of nails sounds like a good way to end up in a courtroom, either criminal or civil...

 

Like all weapons, it would depend on how you used it.

 

Like on people, vs a wild animal? Ok, sure.

But.

If you built that, and carried it, and then used it on a human...you better have some cuts and bruises, and maybe a bullet hole, to back your story.

You know that silly interwebz thing about SD use of reloads being a legal liability in court? That has actually only been a thing once?

This is that once, times a million.

 

You know that silly interwebz thing about SD use of reloads being a legal liability in court? That has actually only been a thing once?

What? there actually is one example of it? As far as I knew, it was only ever a silly thing and never actually a problem for a real person.

 

read this: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...php?threads/the-peculiar-problem-of-handloads-in-self-defense-shootings.821474/

 

I have a few telescoping steel batons. They are BONE crushers.

 

My favorite non-gun weapon.....

I like the black stainless versions. I had trouble with the regular ones rusting over time.

well....my second favorite none gun weapon.

 

If you want to know about improvised weapons watch Jackie Chan.

None the less what was your second the morning star or the gladius?

Anything can be turned into a weapon in a situation of need.

As far as using a bat or a baton, it would ultimately be what you are better trained wit.

Fighting with a bat as a baseball swing is generally not a very smart fighting form - however against an unarmed person it could be devestating. A club is ultimately a very crude weapon.

 

But you can't twirl a bat like a baton that the older cops used to do.

 

Tonfa styled 'billy clubs' such as the Monadnock PR-24 are very effective for both protection and control of an aggressor by a trained individual.

 

Batons of any type are illegal in some states, mostly liberal states where you are not allowed to hurt their criminals. Interestingly, batons are legal in some of these states if you have a concealed carry permit.

State Baton Laws

Aluminum T-ball bats in good condition are available in most Goodwill stores for $3 to $5. They are shorter and easier to swing than a wooden baseball bat. Plus they might be more effective against Aerindel's broadswords. :

 

Found several "youth" sized baseball bats, aluminum, at garage or rummage sales - Probably never paid for more than 2-5$ for each.

 

HAVING WORKED the streets with the woods sticks and the collapsibles and the plastic, I still have a warm spot for the PR-24 side handle.

It looks like a newer made tonfa, a side handled baton and if you worked with one at all it was a very tricky stick with all sorts of applications for blocking and striking.

 

I smushed a rattle snake with a cinder block a few days ago, so.....

 

Cinder blocks work well. But for self-defense, you will have to find a concealed-carry version. :

 

Why cant you have a gun?

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I can and do. I was just thinking about melee situations if a gun is not available or if ammo ran out. Also, the book about zombies says "blades don't need reloading". It's obviously the same for batons.

 

I use a cane due to a balance problem.
A. Ross Taylor makes a nice, heavy and
strong one. I also carry a pistol.

 

If you are in a situation where you can't have a gun it will probably be questionable if you can have a bat or baton. A gun you can hide, a baton maybe can be hidden, and a bat is hard to hide.

In a case like that a cane or a walking stick(and practice using them as a weapon) may be the way to go. Neither one of those would be considered a weapon and would be allowed anywhere. Although they could draw unwanted attention, making you look weak and more of an easy target.

 

Take some martial arts training in how to use a bo or shaft for personal defense. Get good at it, real good. Once you're good at using a bo/shaft/staff carry a cane with you everywhere you go.

A good bo expert can tear up a group of young punks real fast when the need arises.

This shows you how to fight and defend against an attacker with a bo or stick.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...Fighting&&view=detail&mid=A96F5BFB4485974B25E1A96F5BFB4485974B25E1&&FORM=VRDGAR

 

Chrome plated Craftsman Breaker Bar with socket that plausibly fits my cars lug nuts. Fits under drivers seat easily. Easily explained.

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My Chrome plated Craftsman Ratchet/extension and socket that definitely fits my old F350's lug nuts. Hope I never have to use it again.

 

I just bought these, and they are indeed well made:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...utm_medium=email&utm_source=&utm_campaign=&utm_content=product-description-link

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1017266789?pid=696546

 

Happened to catch midwayusa on a good day, got them both for less than $50. Thay also have many different bats:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1017273062?pid=637950

 

http://youtu.be/wiPK3Ij6QMQ

 

I made two baton type weapons from wood closet rod cut to 24" long. I drilled the ends about 5" deep and epoxied in lead 44 caliber slugs. Then I drilled a lanyard hole and tied on a parachord lanyard and wrapped the handle area with friction tape. Its light enough to swing fast but with the end weight should have decent impact.

I also bought a 30" ax handle from Cold Steel made from Hickory or Ash. It should put the hurt on someone if needed.

I also carry a child sized golf putter in my truck. That'll work.:thumb:

 

If a bat bounces off a person’s head then a baton wouldn't do much better.

And a wooden bat with spikes, in my opinion, would be considered an offensive weapon.
The fact that it’s spiked indicates premeditation. Intent to do great harm.

But even a firearm is no guarantee that someone will stop in their tracks.
I’ve seen someone get up ready to fight after being slammed by a truck.

 

And a wooden bat with spikes, in my opinion, would be considered an offensive weapon.
The fact that it’s spiked indicates premeditation. Intent to do great harm.

Buying a firearm for home defense would be considered premeditated as well. But yet it's acceptable and even encouraged.


A firearm has all of the potential of a spiked bat and more. A firearm can permanently cripple, disfigure, and kill with just a pull of the trigger. Defensive weapons are designed to stop a threat. Sometimes they can do that without being used. For them to be effective they have to have the ability to actually stop a threat.