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Of course, when society collapses after the EMP/nuclear war/global epidemic/-insert other disaster here- happens, money will be a distant memory. And what can't be found, grown, made or stolen will have to be traded for. But what to trade?

I believe vital things for bartering - with anyone who isn't looking to kill you and take what you have anyway - will be things like bullets, hygenic supplies, canned foods, alcohol and gasoline. Of course, all those things will be necessary things for those owning them anyway, and having extra on hand would be far-out; the prospect of none of those things being produced again would make me want to hang on to them and not trade them at all.

But, if it comes to it, and I have some cans of Spam and no bullets, but a barterer has some 7.62x39 and an empty stomach, I might be up for a trade.

Thoughts?
 

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Of course, when society collapses after the EMP/nuclear war/global epidemic/-insert other disaster here- happens, money will be a distant memory. And what can't be found, grown, made or stolen will have to be traded for. But what to trade?

I believe vital things for bartering - with anyone who isn't looking to kill you and take what you have anyway - will be things like bullets, hygenic supplies, canned foods, alcohol and gasoline. Of course, all those things will be necessary things for those owning them anyway, and having extra on hand would be far-out; the prospect of none of those things being produced again would make me want to hang on to them and not trade them at all.

But, if it comes to it, and I have some cans of Spam and no bullets, but a barterer has some 7.62x39 and an empty stomach, I might be up for a trade.

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My personal view is that I don't expect to be able to trade for ammunition, as a result I am storing plenty of my own.

I also don't intend to trade ammo for any other commodity and that's why I prep.

I don't expect to be able to work a trade with anyone that is starving with a gun and ammo, their more likely to try to take whatever they want.
 

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I will never, ever, ever ever ever, trade my ammunition for anything. Not even food.

However, I will trade dispensable barter items for others' ammunition, definitely.

Mainly I plan to barter EXCESS (READ: EXCESS) food and bare essentials, and for those who have those bases covered, then soaps, clothes, sh*t paper (or old paper money, whatever's clever), and toiletries.

I will not trade machines, books, property, or tools.

I will, however, trade USE of machines, books, property, or tools for goods or services.
 

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I've picked up extra lighters as a trade item. I have put up small bottles of liquor and cigarettes as barter items too, but would probably be very careful of who I traded those with. I have extra sewing needles put away too. I've got samples of baby formula as I trade or charity item, and if they are getting close to expiring then I donate them to the local food bank.
 

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Some miniature alcohol bottles would probably be a good barter item, only 99 cents at some stores for some low end whiskey or vodka, what the hell right? TP, smokes and lighters, water and other sustenance, cheap clothing, like the 3 packs of t-shirts for a couple bucks or something, gloves, and probably shoes.

Oh, and of course i forgot one thing.
Twinkies. :D:
 

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I will never, ever, ever ever ever, trade my ammunition for anything. Not even food.

However, I will trade dispensable barter items for others' ammunition, definitely.

Mainly I plan to barter EXCESS (READ: EXCESS) food and bare essentials, and for those who have those bases covered, then soaps, clothes, sh*t paper (or old paper money, whatever's clever), and toiletries.

I will not trade machines, books, property, or tools.

I will, however, trade USE of machines, books, property, or tools for goods or services.[/QUOTE]


There's going to be all kinds of talented and educated people roaming the countryside ..... all empty handed and looking for guidance/safety/food ..... if you have the tools and info, you have the best commodity going
 

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Ammunition is a commodity I'd NEVER trade. As a teacher, the best commodity I can trade are skillsets. Bring me something useful and I'll teach you to survive, primitive skillsets, etc.

Probably moonshine because I can make that.

I won't trade food either unless someone is willing to trade me a firearm that I have ammo for.
 

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Drink and Smoke.:thumb:
 

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Of course, when society collapses after the EMP/nuclear war/global epidemic/-insert other disaster here- happens, money will be a distant memory. And what can't be found, grown, made or stolen will have to be traded for. But what to trade?

I believe vital things for bartering - with anyone who isn't looking to kill you and take what you have anyway - will be things like bullets, hygenic supplies, canned foods, alcohol and gasoline. Of course, all those things will be necessary things for those owning them anyway, and having extra on hand would be far-out; the prospect of none of those things being produced again would make me want to hang on to them and not trade them at all.

But, if it comes to it, and I have some cans of Spam and no bullets, but a barterer has some 7.62x39 and an empty stomach, I might be up for a trade.

Thoughts?
Make it a point never to trade ammo. Might be used on you.
 

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I am already preparing to barter with quilts, blankets, crocheted afghans, clothing, towels, rugs and such. I have lots of fabric, yarn, thread, buttons and stuff. Clothing will wear thin and I can fix that. I would trade this type of stuff for ammo, water or meat. (A deer for a warm blanket?...fair?)
(it takes about 15 hours of work to make a quilt)
 

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i really dont plan to barter much hope to have enough put away and forage for rest why give away what i might need in the future if shtf isnt resolved
 

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One more time for the newbies. Those that have seen this the last 15 - 20 times, feel free to ignore.

My thoughts and opinions on barter and trade

Never show more than necessary for a given trade. Never let on like you have more.

Only trade alcohol, weapons, and ammunition to those you know will not be a problem for you later.

Try to barter skills and knowledge rather than goods. They don’t run out.

Try to barter the information in books. Don’t let the books leave your control.

Try to barter the use of tools and equipment rather than trading them away.

Try to make trades in neutral areas or at a designated barter/trade meeting. Make sure you aren’t followed back home.

Not all the items/skills listed will be of much value early into the event. It could be three to five years or more for some of the items to become valuable.

Try to have most of your equipment and several months of consumables before you stockpile trade goods, including Precious Metals.

Many of the items are only appropriate if one already has the items or skills involved. They aren’t something you would acquire just for barter. Listed simply as a reminder that many things might be in demand in the PAW, and various hobbies or existing businesses and skills can be the basis of trade goods or services.

When it comes to PMs, unless you are wealthy, start slow. A few silver dimes & quarters at a time. When you feel it is time to get gold coins, stay with the small denominations. And remember that there will be some people that won’t trust or want them.

Some of what I'm acquiring for barter (No, I don’t have all of these items. Yet.)

Scales to get agreed upon weights of items
commercial scale (±500#)
commercial scale (±100#)
commercial scale (±10#)
commercial scale (±16oz)

small containers for measured out items (spices, meds, etc.)(really small zip-locks)

1.0 oz gold coins
0.1 oz gold coins
40 count rolls pre-1965 silver quarters
50 count rolls pre-1965 silver dimes
blank barter slips (pre-printed slips to record barter transaction – who, what, when, how much, etc.)

A large library of useful books (remember, trade the information, not the book)

200ml bottles 190 proof Everclear
smokeless tobacco
2 oz boxes tobacco
booklets cigarette papers
smoking pipes
small boxes matches
butane lighter fuel
Zippo lighter fuel
lighter flints
lighter wicks
disposable lighters
straight razors w/strop, soap, & cup
shaving soap
Q-tips

playing cards
dice

candle/oil lamp wick
Coleman lantern mantles
Crank flashlights

Canned green coffee beans (with a roaster and grinder to use, not trade away)
2 oz jars instant coffee
16 count boxes teabags
2 oz jars bouillon cubes
tubs add-water-only drink mix

1 pound boxes sugar
various spices
small containers of cooking oil
2 oz boxes salt
2 oz cans pepper
5 oz cans milk
4 oz cans cocoa
2 oz bars chocolate candy
8 oz bags hard candy (individually wrapped)

4 oz cans Vienna sausage/potted meat
12 oz cans roast beef
7 oz cans Spam (or 12oz)(or Treet)
6 oz cans tuna
10 oz cans soup (heavy on the meat types)

16 oz bags rice
16 oz bags beans/lentils

aspirin pain killer
acetaminophen pain killer
multi-vitamin
OTC reading glasses
OTC UVA/UVB resistant sunglasses
Cheap wide-brimmed straw hats

small boxes tampons/sanitary napkins
reusable sanitary napkins

reusable cotton diapers
diaper pins
plastic/poly/nylon/rubber diaper cover pants

clothes pins

wooden pencils/ink pens
small note books
legal pads

50 count bottles water purification tablets

6”-12” candles
boxes strike anywhere kitchen matches

rolls toilet paper
bars soap (Ivory, Lava, Fels Naptha laundry soap)
hair combs/brushes
disposable razors
toothbrushes
boxes baking soda
shoe and boot laces

packets safety pins
packets of sewing needles
spools of thread

mousetraps
rat traps
fly swatters

jersey gloves
cotton/leather work gloves
insulated gloves
socks

tubes silicone sealant
tubes Shoe Goo/Goop
tubes JB Weld
duct tape
mechanic’s wire
electrical tape
friction tape
rubber tape
sheet plastic
divided buckets with a variety of nails, screws, bolts, nuts, and washers
sealed cans of welding rods (6011 and/or 7018 1/8”)
variety of brazing rods
cans of brazing flux

regular canning lids
wide mouth canning lids
Tattler reusable canning lids
Tattler reusable canning lid rubber rings
P-38/P-51 can openers

6-hour cans ECOFuelXB
1-lb propane cylinders
10-lb bags charcoal briquettes

solar 12-volt battery chargers
solar AAA, AA, C, D, 9-volt battery charger
rechargeable batteries AAA, AA, C, D, 9-volt


#10 cans heirloom seeds
Coffee plant seed
Tobacco plant seed
Tea plant seed
Poppy plant seed

Biodiesel production chemicals
Soap making chemicals

500-round bricks .22 LR RF cartridges
5-round boxes .410/20 GA shells
single units M6 Scout/Savage 24F/Remington SPR-94 O/U .22 RF/.410 or 20 gauge combos


Here are some examples of Tradesman’s Tools that could be stockpiled and either used and the product/service bartered, or their USE bartered out. One wouldn’t barter away the tools that bring in the food. (Again, I don’t have all the items or skills.)
±500# scale
±100# scale
±10# scale
±16oz scale

Tailor/Seamstress tools
Sewing machine
Serger
Sewing basket (needles, thimbles, thread, measuring tape, seam ripper, scissors, shears, marking chalk, straight edge, pins, neck magnifying glass, etc.)
bolts of cloth, patterns, spare needles, pins, chalk, thread, buttons, zippers, snaps, etc)
Treadle type sewing machine (Janome 712T)
weaving looms
>1,000 watt generator


Food processing tools
Grain grinders, solar dehydrators, butchering tools, manual meat slicer, manual meat grinder, sausage stuffer, stuffing tubes, jerky shooter, meat smoker, water purifier


barbers tools
scissors, combs, hair brushes, dusting brush, broom, dust pan, chair, neck apron, razor, shaving cup, shaving soap, towels

ammunition re-loader’s tools
Dillion progressive tool w/primary caliber dies
RCBS press with common caliber dies
Bullet casting equipment
lead
black powder making tools & screens

laundry tools
Staber washing machine
laundry soap
bleach
clothes lines w/poles, stakes & clothes pins
water heater (kettle w/tripod)
water tank
12v pump & battery
drain line
James washer w/wringer
2+ washtubs
>1,000 watt generator

entertainment tools
band instruments
projection TV
TV projector
Lap-top computer
DVD disk player
VHS tape player
Chairs
Karaoke machine w/cd-g’s
Lighting system
Sound system
>1,500 watt generator
Battery bank, solar panels, and inverter
protective bullet resistant face for TV’s if used
Classic books for storyteller to read

home canning equipment & supplies
firewood cutting tools
knife/edged tool sharpening tools
printer’s/newspaper publisher’s tools
butcher/meat cutter’s tools
meat processors tools (sausage, etc.)
tanner’s tools
milk processors tools (cheese, etc.)
baker’s tools & supplies
bath house/shower room tools
candle maker’s tools & supplies
gardener’s tools
mechanic’s tools
machinist’s tools - Smithy Granite 1340 Industrial Max metalworking all-in-one machine
woodworker’s tools – Smithy Supershop 220 woodworking all-in-one machine
blacksmith’s tools - Oxygen accumulator, acetylene generator
plumber’s tools
lumber making tools - portable sawmill
electrician’s tools
carpenter’s tools
roofer’s tools
stonemason’s tools
primitive building tools
cobbler/shoe maker’s tools
soap maker’s tools
brewer/wine maker’s tools
distillery tools
miller’s tools
spinner & weaver’s tools (looms)
teaching tools and supplies K-12
smelter/foundry/metal worker’s tools
sheep sheering tools
papermaking tools
rope, cordage, and net making tools
millwright’s tools
farm tools (prepare, sow, cultivate, harvest)
biodiesel equipment & supplies
wood gas generator equipment & supplies
charcoal making tools
black powder making tools
reference/do-it-yourself library (books/magazines/CD-ROMs/DVDs)(never let the media out of your control)


Here are the skill sets I think most likely to be needed. (I only have a few of them myself)

Alternative energy specialist
Alternative HVAC specialist
Ammunition re-loader
Appliance repairman
Assayer
Baker
Banker
Barber
Basket maker
Bathhouse/shower room operator
Beekeeper
Bicycle Repairman
Biodiesel maker
Blackpowder maker
Blacksmith
Botanist
Brew master
Brick maker
Bullet caster
Butcher/meat processor
Candle maker
Carpenter
Cartridge maker
Cartwright
Chandler
Charcoal burner
Cheese maker
Chemist
Chimney sweep
Cobbler/shoe maker
Coffin maker
Cook
Cooper (barrel maker)
Coppersmith
Dentist
Distiller, drinking alcohol
Distiller, fuel alcohol
Doctor
Dog trainer
Electrician
Electronics tech
EMT/Paramedic
Experienced barterer/flea market operator
Farmer
Farm hand
Farrier
Firefighter
Firewood purveyor
Fisherman
Food canner/processor
Furniture maker
Gardener
Gatherer (wild plants, useful rocks and minerals)
Glass maker
Goatherd
Goldsmith/silversmith
Gravedigger
Gunpowder maker
Gunsmith/gun maker
Handyman
Harvester/picker
Heavy equipment operator
Herbalist/mineralist
Horse trainer/wrangler
Hunter/trapper
Ice purveyor/harvester/maker
Knife maker
Knife sharpener
Knitter/crocheter
Laundress/laundry room operator
Leather worker
Librarian
Logger/forester/sawyer
Lumber maker
Machinist
Mechanic
Metal worker
Metallurgist
Midwife
Milk maid
Milk processor
Miller
Millwright
Miner
Mulcher/composter/manure collector
Net maker
Nurse
Optician (eyeglass maker)
Orchardman/arborist
Paper maker
Peace Officer
Pedi-cab driver
Pest control specialist
Pharmacist
Plumber
Postman
Pottery maker
Primitive building specialist
Printer/newspaperman
Psychologist/Psychiatrist
Quilter/Quilt maker
Radio Operator
Rancher
Ranch hand
Repairman
Roofer
Rope/cordage maker
Sail maker
Sailor (Boatswain)
Salt maker
Salvage specialist
Security guard
Shake/shingle maker
Sheep sheerer
Shepherd
Shipwright/boat builder
Shoemaker
Skill At Arms instructor
Small engine mechanic
Smelter/foundryman
Soap maker
Soldier
Spice purveyor
Spinner/Weaver
Stonemason/brick layer
Sugar maker
Surveyor
Tailor/seamstress
Tanner
Teacher
Thatcher
Tinker
Tire repairman
Tool & die maker
Trade maker
Trader/Wagoner
Trapper
Truck driver
Undertaker
Veterinarian
Watch/clock repairman/maker
Weaver
Welder
Well driller
Wheelwright
Winemaker
Wood gas equipment maker
Woodworker


A few skills that won’t be in high demand, but would be a good secondary skill

Artist
Bookbinder
Candy maker
Comedian
Dye maker
Entertainer
Historian
Ink maker
Judge/arbitrator
Karaoke operator
Maid
Massage therapist
Musician
Physicist
Scribe
Secretary
Storyteller
Toy & game maker


Some things I probably won’t get for barter for this reason: If there is a large die off the items will be available to pick up all sorts of places. If there isn’t one, they will still be available through normal channels.

Knives, especially ‘Cheap’ knives
Clothing
Tools (Yes, have a really good set for yourself, and possibly one to barter the use of, but keep the tools)
Cooking equipment
Fishing gear
 

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Really Jerry...

"entertainment tools
band instruments
projection TV
TV projector
Lap-top computer
DVD disk player
VHS tape player
Chairs
Karaoke machine w/cd-g’s
Lighting system
Sound system
protective bullet resistant face for tv

What are we even talking about here? I mean, I love the first bit of your list, then as it goes on, I start to think you are just naming everything you can possibly think of... ha ha. You have a fly swatter on that list. You have the makings of a karaoke bar? Then you go on to list that you would barter with the various tools of various trades.. like you were more into making a list then making a point about whats IMPORTANT to stock.

Isn't this partially useless (audio equipment?) and partially redundant (Tools for all trades)
Can't you just say... tools.

I understand you are well respected, and I am not at all trying to flame, but just pointing out this horribly long list with about everything in the average house on it...

And the skillset primary list is good, but the secondary list? A secretary being a usefull skill in an urban survival situation?
Im not sure, but I am fairly young and don't know everything.

My List:

1.Spare parts for a few common firearms: 10/22, Rem 870 for example (No ammo)
2.Spare weapons (only to friends or family, and at a high cost)
3.Small food kits, with plastic utensils, small amounts (sternos) of cooking fuel. A full meal kit.
4.Spare but small bulk foods, such as rice salt and sugar
5.Packs of various spice
5.Happy/ leisure trades: liquor, homemade beer/shine, marijuana/hash/essential oil
6.Spare clothes, winter gear
7.Small simple med kits: gause, topical antibacterial, course of antibiotics, water-treatment tabs

Basics, simple stuff. Anything more complex would require alot of back and forth bargaining, but if you have spare stuff and need stuff, the market is open!

Take care.
 

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I don't consider the post flaming. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Myself included.

Okay. Added another disclaimer to the list. Not everyone understands my reasoning on items I have in my various lists. It is just too cumbersome to do an explanation for every item. All my lists are "pick and chose", "thought provokers", and "possibilities". They arn't etched in stone, I don't have everything on the lists, and all are subject to an individuals needs and wants.

I keep adding disclaimers to the various lists for that reason. Here is the one I added to the tradegoods list.

Many of the items are only appropriate if one already has the items or skills involved. They aren’t something you would acquire just for barter. Listed simply as a reminder that many things might be in demand in the PAW, and various hobbies or existing businesses and skills can be the basis of trade goods or services.
 

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Whenever I'm in the convenience store and they have those little complimentary books of matches I make it a point to snag a few, insures I have tons of matches around and they would be something easy and potentially valuable to use for trading.
 

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If people would search before starting threads, we'd have a lot less of these constant repeat threads. There is already a nearly endless list of barter threads here.

My take on barter is that I'm not about to do it during the most dangerous early parts of any severe crisis. Unless I have no other choice, such as desperately needing the help of a doctor or something. It's just too dangerous otherwise. Have your preps in place ahead of time and you shouldn't need to.

So, my barter goods and skills are more aimed at being used during a time when commerce is starting to be reestablished. As such, it will most likely be more like the black market that we've seen in other countries during major crisis.

There is a fascinating thread stickied in the disaster general preparedness section from a guy describing life in war torn Bosnia. As well as some great information around the site from FERfal on life during the economic crash in Argentina. And it's not hard to research barter during the Great Depression or the various black markets throughout the world. This gives us historic precedent on what would be most in demand during a situation like we may end up facing some day.
 

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To achieve decent bartering,a person would have to be able to produce the items that are in high demand, stuff on my list.....

Alcohol, be it beer, wine or hi-proof I can produce it.
Tobacco and pipes, I can grow and make pipes with hand tools
Leather, we're gonna kill for food, so tan the hides
Food, I'm a farm boy, so I will continue the tradition if/when tshf

What I'd be looking for? I dunno, what you got? Labor for food? What do others have that I may need? or want?
 
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