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LOL, I'm chuckling over the Euros and Canucks crying that Trump is keeping medical supplies at home.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ree-sparks-outrage-among-allies-idUSKBN21L253

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-coronavirus-cases-set-to-soar-idUSKBN21L2DD

Both good Reuters articles on it.

In the first one I'm seeing something I really like. Seems like Trump told his emergency buyers to treat this like a Moon Shot. Open the wallet deep and outbid everyone for everything. Trump isn't doing enough? Hell, he's buying everything he can get his grubby paws on and not letting go. Doesn't sound like too little too late. Of course Reuters isn't US based and won't spin it to be American positive when Reuters is Euro, but you have to know that the US media wouldn't offer him praise on focusing on US needs. If this were Russia and RT reporting there would be high praise for Putin pulling out all the stops.

Be happy we are a rich capitalist nation wanting supplies with a billionaire at the helm and not someplace like Cuba or Venezuela with a corrupt military backed commie in charge.
 

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CNN had an article the other day saying Trump was taking a weak political stance and giving Putin a political advantage for making a deal with Russia on medical equipment at below market value... You can’t win.
Trump could cure cancer and CNN would call it bigoted somehow.

Maybe the Freedom of the press to have access to government needs some minimum bias standards.
 

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The Media thinks they are the Elites and that no one or anything is more powerful than they are. Boy do they have a surprise coming, The general population was slow but are now recognizing that they are nothing but an ideological extension of the far left, communism, and Marxism and anti American.
 

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But, but, muh Globalism!



I said on here a long time ago, Trump could cure cancer and the media would complain about all the doctors he's putting out of work.
I remember reading that post. I don't remember which thread it was in but I do recall you saying that.
 

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The line about the president curing cancer has even been tweeted by Trump, if I remember correctly.

But hey, we are the trendsetters here. If Brett says he said it first then I'm taking his word for it because in these times we are leading the way. :thumb:
 

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It is kind of messed up that you are laughing at people in this situation. There is a strong argument for putting our country first, but I fail to see how it is amusing that people in other countries are getting screwed over and that people in those countries could suffer or even die because of it. These people are not even our enemies, they are our allies, so why are you dehumanising them?
 

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It's no sin to look after one's own. The USA is the number one most infected country (officially anyway, who knows what the deal is in China), and we are short on supplies. Why the hell would we even consider shipping out needed supplies to someone else. I don't want to see our friends in Europe die, but if it comes down to an Italian dying or an American dying, well....ciao.
 

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Trump was retarded to tell the rest of the world he was going to prevent any PPE exports from the US when the COVID-19 miracle drug he has been promoting (hydroxychloroquine) is almost entirely produced offshore in India:
That's nonsense.

The Administration has been sending a clear message that the days of 'offshoring' large parts of our manufacturing and production base are OVER. You can't 'muddy' that message, particularly over all the remaining PPE equipment being produced here.

Besides, a number of the European nations went out and purchased PPE gear from China, and it turned out it was defective. And in some cases, they had to pay for it in advance. Spain comes to mind.

Why should we turn around and bail them out when they made poor decision making in buying on price from China?

Besides, India has already restricted a number of drug exports:

India, the world’s main supplier of generic drugs, has restricted the export of 26 pharmaceutical ingredients and the medicines made from them, including Paracetamol, a common pain reliever also sold as acetaminophen, as the coronavirus outbreak plays havoc with supply chains.
India Restricts Drug Exports

You might want to try & keep up.

There's an old adage that comes into play here:

"Nations have neither friends or enemies. They have INTERESTS".

Under this Administration, it's pretty clear the interests of the American people come FIRST.
 

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LOL, I'm chucking over the Euros and Canucks crying that Trump is keeping medical supplies at home.
He is a absolutely right in his actions but this should be a wake up call to the U.K. and Europe that America First isn’t just some campaign slogan. We should all expect the US kerb stomp us at every opportunity in the forthcoming economic decline. :)

If this were Russia and RT reporting there would be high praise for Putin pulling out all the stops.
Putin pays the wages and an out of hours trip to a crematorium is usually best avoided.
 

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Trump was retarded to tell the rest of the world he was going to prevent any PPE exports from the US when the COVID-19 miracle drug he has been promoting (hydroxychloroquine) is almost entirely produced offshore in India:

https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/covid-19-trump-calls-modi-asks-to-release-us-order-of-hydroxychloroquine-120040500125_1.html
You mean he has taken the America First position? Get or leverage overseas all he can and then keeping it here, instead of being generous overseas?

Yes, if you are not in America then I can understand your dislike of this position.

But we didn't elect Trump for his globalist sympathies. From Bush 41 through Obama we have bent over backwards at our expense to make the globalists happy. We have paid a brutal price to the American middle class in that period, while the global middle class has multiplied by orders of magnitude. Look up the "elephant curve" to see the price we've paid to the world.

Most nations were happy to abuse the change too. One only needs to look at various climate accords to see who had to change and who was free to run rampant. If your forum name is indication then let's examine Australia's immigration policy compared to US policy.

You guys used to machine gun refugee boats in my youth and were phobic about anything not Anglo or Euro centric. Australia was more racist than the American South long after after we cooled our racist jets. Don't be casting stones at those who have been in your lands merely a couple decades ago and seen things first hand. We could not even let our blacks leave ship, while sheep station managers dangled their daughters at the docks trying to marry them off to white Yanks. Been there, done that, I actually still have the tee shirt and a memory of an evening with a rancher's daughter. Good thing I didn't bite or I'd be disarmed today.

Yes, I will admit our current policy is globally unfair. I'm not a hypocrite. We are taking back at global expense. But we are the biggest hot spot and we are the Golden Children. I'm not being rude or haughty. The global economy is in freefall. We are the reserve currency. Only America going back to business saves the global economy. What is the global reserve currency backed with? The value of the American consumer and worker. When we fix our economy then yours gets fixed by default. We cannot be allowed to crash and burn or we go into an unknown global economic reset. Even if that happens then most likely it will be the largest advanced economy that pulls things out. Survive or reset the world banks on the US. So we are the Golden Children. The Chosen for the near future.

Grumble if you want but we are going to get relief at global expense. I'll accept your grumbles with some grace and let you get them out, but don't expect us to change right now. We'll make soothing and sympathetic noises later once the US is over the hump. Then our industrial might will swing into action for you.

Just remember that you were fated for the Japanese Co-Prosperity Sphere before we stepped in. As Anglos you will be second on our service list after us. We've always honored that. Learn to be sanguine with your place in the world, because it's a hell of a lot better than most nations. But for now there can be only one.
 

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He is a absolutely right in his actions but this should be a wake up call to the U.K. and Europe that America First isn’t just some campaign slogan. We should all expect the US kerb stomp us at every opportunity in the forthcoming economic decline. :)
Given a reasonable chance, Trump will throw Boris the economy rescue line Boris needs to save Brexit.

Hate or love Brexit, you still want this rope. Just take it.

We could use some better cheddar and some decent gin here.

Putin pays the wages and an out of hours trip to a crematorium is usually best avoided.
Let's not glorify my example. I'm just stating fact. Putin enjoys decent press at home while Trump takes it on the chin whether deserved or not. The BBC isn't exactly unbiased either. They may not be as bad as CNN but they are giving it the old school effort to emulate it. You guys could use some non-Rupert Murdoch "fair and balanced" news effort. Time to take BBC off the TV tax dole there.
 

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Given a reasonable chance, Trump will throw Boris the economy rescue line Boris needs to save Brexit.

Hate or love Brexit, you still want this rope. Just take it.

We could use some better cheddar and some decent gin here.
Fortunately there are enough curmudgeonly land owning conservatives and hard core America hating socialists to put the spoke in any one side USA / U.K. trade deal. Boris knows that his own party could and would take him down if he doesn’t strike a deal that looks remotely equitable. And with Trump most likely on track to get a second term in a depression we know there will be no equitable deals being made.



Let's not glorify my example. I'm just stating fact. Putin enjoys decent press at home while Trump takes it on the chin whether deserved or not. The BBC isn't exactly unbiased either. They may not be as bad as CNN but they are giving it the old school effort to emulate it. You guys could use some non-Rupert Murdoch "fair and balanced" news effort. Time to take BBC off the TV tax dole there.
Mining coal is probably a safer occupation in Russia than being a non-compliant journalist.
Don’t expect me to put a robust defence of British journalistic standards. :D:
 

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I think that typical Americans are good people and Trump is the idi*t.

So my answer would be that Germany packs a few hundred ventilators into a plane and sends them to New York tomorrow. Free of charge.

Others would say that Germany should prohibit the export of such things or the export of machines for the production of masks, but in my opinion this behavior is absolutely stupid in a pandemic.

In case of Germany 200,000 masks are peanuts. We are talking about 1 billion masks overall.

But it's a symbol and some will not forget.
 

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That's nonsense.

The Administration has been sending a clear message that the days of 'offshoring' large parts of our manufacturing and production base are OVER. .
So why do you need to grab masks from Asian(!!!) airfields that have been already sold to Europe?

Nothing is "over". Wishfull thinking and lieing is not the same as production.

Or do you think that masks made in China are YOUR masks as you think to believe that oil in Iraq is YOUR oil? Get real.

China is not able to make enough masks for worldwide demand. So far they do at least export some of them at typicall 10 times the normal price. If the US now pays 30 times the normal price the Chinese manufacturers will be happy (here goes your "trade war" with China), but the supply situation will not change.

It will change with new manufacturing capacity of those masks. You need the raw materials for those and you need the machines.
 

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Fortunately there are enough curmudgeonly land owning conservatives and hard core America hating socialists to put the spoke in any one side USA / U.K. trade deal. Boris knows that his own party could and would take him down if he doesn’t strike a deal that looks remotely equitable. And with Trump most likely on track to get a second term in a depression we know there will be no equitable deals being made.
Just keep waving the Boris flag like we do for Trump. We know how imperfect he is. Boris just needs his groundswell and Trump will try to meet him in the middle. Practical political support. Land the trade deal and it will sit long after both are gone. WTO precedence counts. If the deal is made the WTO will count it in its decisions.

There's not much to complain about UK manufacturing unless it is overpriced car carriages. Workmanship is typically exemplary and pride is deserved. Even your Polish emigres do solid work.

A trade deal is needed and the American consumer won't have quality complaints on your goods.

Let's find a way to get something done and to hell with the vested interests.

Mining coal is probably a safer occupation in Russia than being a non-compliant journalist.
Don’t expect me to put a robust defence of British journalistic standards. :D:
None of us has illusions here about the press. Time to wean the BBC off the dole like we did PBS and the press in general to learn some journalistic integrity. Notice that I didn't abuse Reuters for their non-American stance. It was expected that no everyone sees it our way. There is a way to achieve a modicum of bias balance and Trump is deserving of a portion of it.

The full court press by the press doesn't make Trump look to the neutral ground.
 

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Let's not glorify my example. I'm just stating fact. Putin enjoys decent press at home while Trump takes it on the chin whether deserved or not...
Sure, Putin has excellent press at home as does Kim in North Korea or Xi Jingping in China or Erdogan in Turkey.

That's what happens if you own the press in your country and if you can put everyone in jail, that writes against you.

So far US presidents had a very high opinion on free speech, Trump has a high opinion on a regulated press.

Are you against free speech, too?
 

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Sure, Putin has excellent press at home as does Kim in North Korea or Xi Jingping in China or Erdogan in Turkey.

That's what happens if you own the press in your country and if you can put everyone in jail, that writes against you.

So far US presidents had a very high opinion on free speech, Trump has a high opinion on a regulated press.

Are you against free speech, too?
Freedom of the Press is overated. It's not really a free press here either. It's agenda driven and relies too heavily on sensationalism and party politics to make a buck. When journalistic integrity is in the tank then they have forgotten what freedom is. Freedom is what you get when you fulfill your responsibilities first. Freedom is never free or absolute. There is no constitutional freedoms that come without caveats or responsibilities.

Your attempt to troll is nullified.
 
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