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Hi folks

I need your advice on my back problem.

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Iv had three injuries to my back, the first I landed on a high jump bar, the second I fell down the stairs head first, and lastly I stood up and hit a shelf. They all hit the same point on my back. Its at bra strap level - I think its where the Latis dorsi muscle joins.

I also have lower sciatic problems now and again.

I have seen the physio and Drs about both areas of my back which has been over some years. Of late I do believe the first top area is a major cause of my breathing problems.

I have problems lifting my arms above my head and get back pain. I had a an accident where I jerked back from something the other day, and it clicked my back. I felt really well all down that side, for a day and half, until I lifted something down from a shelf and the muscle went again. It felt like I had two fists next to my spine that went into one for a few seconds.

I keep asking the Dr wether its a muscle causing problems but dont get listened to. Iv also had a pulled sternum muscle, and at present a frozen shoulder.

Today I ordered a posture support to wear, Iv done yoga in the past (the down ward facing dog, and cobra dont touch it), I think the spinal twists do help.

Can anyone suggest anything else I can do? I do intend to tackle the Dr again but at the moment I think I would loose my temper so Im staying away for a little bit.

PS: Im in the UK, so NHS so I can pick and choose who I see.
 

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I second the chiro suggestion. If the first one you go to doesn't help you try a second one, there are some good ones and some not as good. Except in the case of major damage where surgery might be required, a chiro is the best bet.

I've never failed to have a chiro help me, but on occasion it takes more than a single visit. Chiros are a very good non-inasive, non-surgical treatment for back problems. Combine that with a good massage (if you can afford it) and some ice.
 

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Lat. Dorsi. inserts from about bra strap level downwards.... So it could be this, but be aware that a huge number of shoulder related muscles insert around this area also. A good physio is the best bet...

What breathing problems do you have? Have you tried using topical anti-inflammatory gels? What sort of pain is it and when do you get it? (of your back) and about the shoulder, is that new, or long standing?
 

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Chiropractor. A good one. Not one that "takes your insurance". For proper chiropractic care, you need to go at least 3 times a week for the first few months. Then you can drop it down. Insurance covers like 10 visits a year or something. After your first adjustment, your muscle memory in your back just pops it back to where it was immediately before your adjustment (which means you barely effected the underlying cause of the problem).

Find a good Chiropractor that gives you a treatment plan for a year. Ours ran us about 3k a year for a whole family. Wife no longer has migraines. Hundreds of stories like yours in the office with no more problems.

It may take years though. But many doctors only treat the symptoms and not the true cause of the pain in the first place.

EDIT: Just understood what you meant about NHS, best to call around to different Chiros and see which offers comprehensive plan and LISTENS to your problems. Look for ones that will try to alleviate the CAUSE of the pain, not help the symptoms.
 

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Chiropractor's are okay, just beware of neck manipulation! And be aware they can't solve all problems, sometimes surgery etc. will be required, but your problem does sound muscular in origin...
 

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I don't know UK - this might not be possible...Try to find a CMP (chinese medicine physician) this is NOT the accupuncturist on the corner. CMPs have 12+ years of education, an accupuncutrist pays several thousand dollars, spends a weekend in a seminar and gets a certificate. Stay away. Here in OK in US med care is very expensive and insurance covers all most nothing. The CMP is my godsend. I have to drive to KS about an hour away to see one as they are not legal in OK. In OK I pay $60 to see a specialist and he might spend 5 minutes with me. I leave with Rx for meds I can't afford and don't work CMP is $75 and she always spends at least an hour, usually longer treating me. No meds, my pain stays gone and I feel great. I see her 2-3 times a year.
 
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Chiropractor. A good one. Not one that "takes your insurance". For proper chiropractic care, you need to go at least 3 times a week for the first few months. Then you can drop it down. Insurance covers like 10 visits a year or something. After your first adjustment, your muscle memory in your back just pops it back to where it was before your adjustment..
actually muscle memory tends to move the spinal joint back to it original dysfunctional position hence the need for repeated adjustments over a given time period

And spinal joints dont "pop" back into place..they either move correctly or incorrectly

muscles dont do anything on their own...they are controlled by the spinal nerves
 

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I feel your pain Purdy Bear. I have the exact same symptoms as you. I think my back problems started when I was 8. I jumped off a diving board and somehow my feet ended up by my head. I thought I was gonna drown. I almost couldn't walk home. I didn't tell my mother because we weren't supposed to go to the pool. There were other injuries over the years. Another time I was roller skating and fell on my back and felt my neck snap. Another time was when a guy I was dating jumped on my head with his knees and something snapped in my neck. I have fallen off my horse a few times when I was a teen. LOL I could go on about causes. About 10 years ago I had MRI's. I have bulging disks in my neck, middle and lower back. I went to a chiropracter but it didn't help and they are expensive. I spent a lot of time in physical therapy. That helped but I don't keep up with the exercises. I also had a frozen shoulder for over a year and couldn't move my arm. Talk about pain! More physical therapy for a long time and it's ok now. I have sciatica mostly on my left side. My hip hurts all the time and shooting pains down my legs and leg cramps. They never could fix that. I have had peripheral neuropathy in my feet for about 20 years. The pain was bad until a couple of people on this board told me what it was. I told my doctor and she put me on Gabapentin. What a relief! Nothing you can do about back pain unless you exercise. I get muscle spasms in the middle of my back like you do. I think I still have the exercise papers from the PT people. If I can find them I'll copy them and send them to you. I can also send you one of the elastic exercise bands I still have. And you might want to look up back exercises on the internet. I hope you can find some relief.
 

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actually muscle memory tends to move the spinal joint back to it original dysfunctional position hence the need for repeated adjustments over a given time period
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That is what I meant by "pop" back into place. Sorry if I was unclear. Basically what I was saying that one or two adjustments won't do any good because our back will just want to move back to the hurt position.

And spinal joints dont "pop" back into place..they either move correctly or incorrectly

muscles dont do anything on their own...they are controlled by the spinal nerves
Agreed the term "pop" wouldn't be approved by my chiro :D: He has lectured me on that before haha but we all still say it!

I also agree that muscle (in fact your whole body) is controlled by nervous system and any sublexations will cause eventual interference with those signals.
 

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Chiropractor's are okay, just beware of neck manipulation!QUOTE]

please provide referenced sources that show cervical manipulations are any more dangerous than the common aspirin

not blogs,personal stories,legal websites or anti chiro sites .......actual studies
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E Ernst (2010). "Deaths after chiropractic: a review of published cases". Int J Clinical Practice 64 (8): 1162–1165. doi:10.1111/j.1742-1241.2010.02352.x. PMID 20642715.

No studies compare it to aspirin, but i'm willing to bet aspirin has saved many, many, many more lives that chiropractic work ever will!!
 

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....I went to a chiropracter but it didn't help and they are expensive. ....
Don't mean to be intrusive, but can I ask how many treatments you had and for how long? I know Chiropractics is not a "magic bullet". But I always wonder how many people stop going after a few months of one-adjustment a month "treatments".

It took my wife over 120 visits to correct a small C-curve problem, let alone a bulging disk and sciatica.
 

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Ernst, E (May 2008). "Chiropractic: a critical evaluation". Journal of pain and symptom management 35 (5): 544–62. doi:10.1016/j.jpainsymman.2007.07.004. ISSN 0885-3924. PMID 18280103.

Another investigating the effectiveness of chiropractic management as Treatment. Seems that it's only indicated mildly for back pain...... by the same author as above, but there hasnt been THAT much research into the area. Not to mention the fact it's all based on some very dubious science!
 

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Ernst, E (May 2008). "Chiropractic: a critical evaluation". Journal of pain and symptom management 35 (5): 544–62. doi:10.1016/j.jpainsymman.2007.07.004. ISSN 0885-3924. PMID 18280103.

Another investigating the effectiveness of chiropractic management as Treatment. Seems that it's only indicated mildly for back pain...... by the same author as above, but there hasnt been THAT much research into the area. Not to mention the fact it's all based on some very dubious science!
Here is the full article for those interested:

http://www.jpsmjournal.com/article/PIIS088539240700783X/fulltext

What it does not evaluate is the treatments provided in these interviews. So by "Chiropractic care" it could mean 1 treatment a month, or 20 a month. That is why here may be such a discrepancy in those that report benefits compared to those that did not.

The study did not attempt to explain the treatment methods provided except to say that they are spinal manipulations. But I agree that more research is needed. But remember, acupuncture was once considered "dubious" quack science also... now it is hitting Western medicine and even covered by insurances.

Sorry to taking this topic off a little Purdy Bear. Just wanted to make sure more info was out there for you to consider.
 

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There's still a massive lack of understanding in lots of areas of CAM - and i think part of the fear is that a lot of it is placebo. Still, if it makes people better, then it can't be a bad thing.

the science behind accupuncture is still dubious and it's got limited applications..
 

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What type of doctor are you seeing? A general medicine/family doctor? If so, I would consult a neurosurgeon, get his opinion. If it's indeed muscular, he can tell through various test, and confirm this. Muscular damage you can fix it surgically, or see a chiropractor, if its not severe. If nothing else the neurosurgeon can consult you in what steps to take.
 

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I gotta go with the majority here and say chiropractor. But you may also check into a sports rehab center. I went through 3 weeks of phys. therapy a few years ago following the last injury and as long as I stayed on top of the exercises I felt better than I had in years. Now Ive forgotten most of the exercises, and I do forget to do the ones I do remember occasionally. But for the most part it has helped me tremendously.

I have degenerative disc disorder, combined with a couple of 'minor injuries' (they didnt feel too damned minor when they happened) that plague me occasionally. I get knots under my shoulder blades that feel the size of golf balls, I deal with sciatica on a regular basis, especially after sitting for long periods or climbing on equipment. Sometimes I get so stiff I can hardly get out of a chair, and I DONT get into the floor or on the ground. A few things I have to remember is...

1.) Stay active. I work 21 day on /21 off schedule. When Im at work it isnt an issue, very active and labor intensive job but when Im home I tend to mope around the house a lot. LOL its cheaper that way.

2.) STRETCH. Whether Im just laying around the house or running stairs and heavy lifting at work, I have to remember to do several stretching exercises almost daily. If I dont in just a couple of days I start moving like a 70 yr old man (Im 36).

3.) Know my limits and do not exceed them no matter what the 'young punks' I work with say. In the oil field pride is a big thing for all of us and its tough not to try to out-do the 20-somethings 'just 'cause I can'. I wind up paying for it for days afterwards and my pride is just as bruised tomorrow because I can hardly move like I did yesterday.
 
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