I am confused... lots of people use the term "assault weapon ". Can some one please give me the real definition and origin of the term? It seams that the term is use only to make certain firarms "bad "... this logic I trueley do not understand. Help me out on this one please
CRFly
The term is used by people with political ambitions or by "journalists" with agendas. Basically it is a term used to scare folks. It is common place for the "firearm uneducated" to use it thinking its actually a standard or correct term.
IMO it is not a correct term, and should not be a standard term. Depending on who you ask, an assault weapon can be anything that's auto-loading (semi-auto), full auto, select fire, that uses an external magazine, can carry more than XXXX bullets, has a bayonet, adjustable stock, folding stock, a military or large caliber, or for some reason just looks scary to the speaker.
Look up the term "assault", it can be a verb or a noun but NOT an adjective.
p.s. AR stands for Armalite, NOT "assault rifle".
IMO it is not a correct term, and should not be a standard term. Depending on who you ask, an assault weapon can be anything that's auto-loading (semi-auto), full auto, select fire, that uses an external magazine, can carry more than XXXX bullets, has a bayonet, adjustable stock, folding stock, a military or large caliber, or for some reason just looks scary to the speaker.
Look up the term "assault", it can be a verb or a noun but NOT an adjective.
p.s. AR stands for Armalite, NOT "assault rifle".
Funny you bring this up.
I was at a gun shop yesterday. There were a bunch of firearms experts there including cops and ex military.
A guy in his 70's was there who had served several tours in Vietnam. You know the type....Airborne tattoos on his forearms, that look that only hardened ex military combat soldiers have....
Anyway he'd been trained with and used many weapons in combat and apparently knows weapons coming and going.
So I asked HIM what HE would call a S&W M&P AR15.......
He kinda searched his thoughts for a few seconds then hesitantly said "well, today I would call it an "Assault Rifle"
So like Jeffrey and others said, it's a loose term today for rifles that are auto or semi auto and generally high mag capacity and often are similar to those used by SWAT teams and law enforcement.
I was at a gun shop yesterday. There were a bunch of firearms experts there including cops and ex military.
A guy in his 70's was there who had served several tours in Vietnam. You know the type....Airborne tattoos on his forearms, that look that only hardened ex military combat soldiers have....
Anyway he'd been trained with and used many weapons in combat and apparently knows weapons coming and going.
So I asked HIM what HE would call a S&W M&P AR15.......
He kinda searched his thoughts for a few seconds then hesitantly said "well, today I would call it an "Assault Rifle"
So like Jeffrey and others said, it's a loose term today for rifles that are auto or semi auto and generally high mag capacity and often are similar to those used by SWAT teams and law enforcement.
My guess is that it popped up years ago in a war somewhere to describe...rifles used to assault something. :xeye:
An AR-15 hanging in the store, bought by a civilian, used at a range, and in the closet in case it might be needed to defend house...
I's say:
Semi-automatic rifle
Recreational semi-auto rifle
...ZOMBIE RIFLE!
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The one sitting in my "ready rack" is named "Wichita"
I would NOT use:
Assault rifle
Machine Gun (I instantly judge person saying it as a moron) - Unless its actually a machine gun :taped:
An AR-15 hanging in the store, bought by a civilian, used at a range, and in the closet in case it might be needed to defend house...
I's say:
Semi-automatic rifle
Recreational semi-auto rifle
...ZOMBIE RIFLE!
:The one sitting in my "ready rack" is named "Wichita"
I would NOT use:
Assault rifle
Machine Gun (I instantly judge person saying it as a moron) - Unless its actually a machine gun :taped:
There is no weapon in military or law enforcement called an assault rifle it is a term made up by the media to confuse and scare the uneducated about firearms.
The rifles you get on the civilian market are no different than a semi auto hunting rifle with black"furniture" on it to make it look tacticool.
http://www.knightarmco.com/guns.html
You can buy one military grade but unless you have a lot of money .you wont have one.
These weapons are built to government specs and last a lot longer than the cheap parts in the tacticool rifles.
http://www.knightarmco.com/guns.html
You can buy one military grade but unless you have a lot of money .you wont have one.
These weapons are built to government specs and last a lot longer than the cheap parts in the tacticool rifles.
OK, let me play Devil's advocate here. What are these rifles designed for?
Not pl inking. That's what .22's are for.
Not hunting. Most states it is illegal to hunt with a gun capable of carrying more than 4-5 rounds.
These guns are designed for one thing. To kill people. And lots of them!!! Otherwise you would not need a recreational gun with a 20-30 rd capacity.
You only need a gun with high capacity round capabilities to to kill human adversaries!!
A pistol is for defense. A battle rifle is for offense and combating people!!
So, if it is not an assault rifle what is it? Battle rifle? Offensive rifle?
Big, black, ugly guns you can not hunt with = assault rifle.
Devil's Advocate switch OFF!!!!!:
Not pl inking. That's what .22's are for.
Not hunting. Most states it is illegal to hunt with a gun capable of carrying more than 4-5 rounds.
These guns are designed for one thing. To kill people. And lots of them!!! Otherwise you would not need a recreational gun with a 20-30 rd capacity.
You only need a gun with high capacity round capabilities to to kill human adversaries!!
A pistol is for defense. A battle rifle is for offense and combating people!!
So, if it is not an assault rifle what is it? Battle rifle? Offensive rifle?
Big, black, ugly guns you can not hunt with = assault rifle.
Devil's Advocate switch OFF!!!!!
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First of all who says you can't and people don't hunt with them, maybe in the peoples republic of California. Also that to the people who use them in competitions that the only thing that they are used for is killing. Sorry but it is crap like that fuels the media and the further brainwashing of the masses. And even if that is all its used for it still would be just a rifle nothing else.
The general definition I was always told is that a true assault rifle is a selective fire, carbine length weapon fed from a detachable magazine, firing an intermediate power cartridge. By that definition a M-16 is an assault rifle but an AR-15 is not because no select fire, a M-14 is not because it fires a full power rifle cartridge. An AK-47 is but a WASR is not etc. M2 carbine is not considered to be one by most because of it's pistol power level cartridge.
Things that are common to "assault" class rifles:
-intermediate cartridge 5.56, 5.45x39 etc
-detachable box magazine
-classed somewhere between light machine guns (full power rifle rounds fired in big ass machine guns ie m60e4), and submachine guns (pistol caliber automatic weapons)
assault rifles have been earned a negative connotation by overzealous journalists who term every gun as a "glock" or "ak"
with that said, the term itself is designed to describe a specific class of weapons.
-intermediate cartridge 5.56, 5.45x39 etc
-detachable box magazine
-classed somewhere between light machine guns (full power rifle rounds fired in big ass machine guns ie m60e4), and submachine guns (pistol caliber automatic weapons)
assault rifles have been earned a negative connotation by overzealous journalists who term every gun as a "glock" or "ak"
with that said, the term itself is designed to describe a specific class of weapons.
So here us another to put this that maybe you'll understand, it would be easier if I had a white board to draw this on but you'll just have to use your imagination.
At a four way intersection is a one hundred dollar bill and walking up to it is Santa claus, the Easter bunny, an assault rifle and a gun hating liberal with the media in his back pocket.
Who gets the money????
The gun hating liberal of course because the other three are figments of your imagination!
At a four way intersection is a one hundred dollar bill and walking up to it is Santa claus, the Easter bunny, an assault rifle and a gun hating liberal with the media in his back pocket.
Who gets the money????
The gun hating liberal of course because the other three are figments of your imagination!
My understanding was that "assault weapon" came from the English language bastardization of the "sturmgewehr" (StG 44), which strictly translated means "storm rifle". Storm - meaning to forcibly take, not a weather phenomena; so storm changed into assault for English specificity.
The StG 44 was unique as it used a shortened rifle cartridge (the 7.92x39mm), which was an upgrade over the pistol cartridges that had been used in the MP series of weapons. But it was also easier to control because it didn't use the full 7.92x57mm cartridge. So it was a unique weapon.
Thus, you have "assault rifle". That term has been loosened over the years to apply to a whole bunch of firearms, but generally, if it's a semi-automatic high capacity rifle or carbine, it's going to be labeled an assault weapon.
The StG 44 was unique as it used a shortened rifle cartridge (the 7.92x39mm), which was an upgrade over the pistol cartridges that had been used in the MP series of weapons. But it was also easier to control because it didn't use the full 7.92x57mm cartridge. So it was a unique weapon.
Thus, you have "assault rifle". That term has been loosened over the years to apply to a whole bunch of firearms, but generally, if it's a semi-automatic high capacity rifle or carbine, it's going to be labeled an assault weapon.
If an assault weapon is classified by a detachable magazine then my browning hunting rifle chambered in 257 Roberts is an assault weapon as it has a detachable mag, which is also an internal mag that drops out the bottom via a small metal door that swings down.
The term assault rifle I believe did indeed originate from the STG 44 but the news media has taken it and made it a very loose term. Now anything that even looks close to being scary is now a "assault rifle" Though what I do not understand is that a M1 garande hold 8 rounds uses a massive round and uneducated people pass it off as just another rifle. But a ar15 chambered in 22lr is an assault rifle? Like I said it's uneducated people who key the terms, not the educated ones!
The term assault rifle I believe did indeed originate from the STG 44 but the news media has taken it and made it a very loose term. Now anything that even looks close to being scary is now a "assault rifle" Though what I do not understand is that a M1 garande hold 8 rounds uses a massive round and uneducated people pass it off as just another rifle. But a ar15 chambered in 22lr is an assault rifle? Like I said it's uneducated people who key the terms, not the educated ones!
How about we call them home defense rifles? Most people that ask why do you need so many rounds have never been on or even close to a two way range or volunteered their services.
I always bring up the FBI stats of the guns most often used in crimes and make the comparison that it's like banning ferraris because of kids that street race Honda civics. Of course their always liberals and well, they don't understand facts and reasoning.
I always bring up the FBI stats of the guns most often used in crimes and make the comparison that it's like banning ferraris because of kids that street race Honda civics. Of course their always liberals and well, they don't understand facts and reasoning.
I have an assault hammer, assault screwdriver, assault tire thumper, assault knife, etc.
Its who uses it that gives the bad name. Media picked up the gangstas using 'em, and pushed for illegality in many states. Mostly in states with large urban centers... While the cops are still undergunned (870, maybe a carbine?) and the sheeple really undergunned. Solution to the problem presented by the media?
Remove them from the sheeple. The gangstas will have them anyway, black market. They dont have to worry about felonies- just a free ride to college to learn their skills in prison.
Media is not free media anymore. There is always an agenda. The whole Zimmerman thing has proven that beyond a reasonable doubt. My solution is the 2nd Ammendment and free reign of self defense restrictions. Give them out to ex-military, police, like Switzerland. Treat gangs what they really are, domestic terrorists.
We have enough problems at home to deal with than whip up some newfangled enemies overseas to spend our taxes on.
Its who uses it that gives the bad name. Media picked up the gangstas using 'em, and pushed for illegality in many states. Mostly in states with large urban centers... While the cops are still undergunned (870, maybe a carbine?) and the sheeple really undergunned. Solution to the problem presented by the media?
Remove them from the sheeple. The gangstas will have them anyway, black market. They dont have to worry about felonies- just a free ride to college to learn their skills in prison.
Media is not free media anymore. There is always an agenda. The whole Zimmerman thing has proven that beyond a reasonable doubt. My solution is the 2nd Ammendment and free reign of self defense restrictions. Give them out to ex-military, police, like Switzerland. Treat gangs what they really are, domestic terrorists.
We have enough problems at home to deal with than whip up some newfangled enemies overseas to spend our taxes on.
"Assault" is a behavior and not a device. "Robbery" rifle... "Extortion" rifle... etc etc. 'Make sense?:thumb:
REAL DEFINATION
Assult Rifle: a gun the government does not think you should have and is pursuing ways to remove from society; All guns; any gun used in a commission of a crime( see Hate crimes).Assult, verb, to attack.
Any gun can be a Assult weapon.ie, toy gun, squirt gun, drawing of a gun(esp in a school zone.(*school), see liberal anti gun instutitions,
See also
A; ; things that offend(*assult) liberals, scardy cats, NWO, California, CLIP vs. MAGS, Pistol grip, SHTF. Tippmann 98 Custom.
B; A Assult weapon can be a 12 ga shot gun, 308 hunting rifle or a tricked out 10/22 depending on city and State. just the mentioning of a Assult weapon can be a threat crime.
C; any otherwise Legal gun that does not have enough USA made parts or has a flash hider made in China.
See: Berueau of Arbetrary Technical Findings and Edicts. www.BATFE.gov
Assult Rifle: a gun the government does not think you should have and is pursuing ways to remove from society; All guns; any gun used in a commission of a crime( see Hate crimes).Assult, verb, to attack.
Any gun can be a Assult weapon.ie, toy gun, squirt gun, drawing of a gun(esp in a school zone.(*school), see liberal anti gun instutitions,
See also
A; ; things that offend(*assult) liberals, scardy cats, NWO, California, CLIP vs. MAGS, Pistol grip, SHTF. Tippmann 98 Custom.
B; A Assult weapon can be a 12 ga shot gun, 308 hunting rifle or a tricked out 10/22 depending on city and State. just the mentioning of a Assult weapon can be a threat crime.
C; any otherwise Legal gun that does not have enough USA made parts or has a flash hider made in China.
See: Berueau of Arbetrary Technical Findings and Edicts. www.BATFE.gov
An "assault rifle" is a rifle that has either full auto or three shot burst capabilities and uses an "intermediate" cartridge like the 5.56x45 or the 7.62x39. An ar 15 is not an assault rifle because it only fires semi-auto. An m-4 on the other hand will fire full auto. That's the difference.
"Assault" is a verb. So the only "assault rifle" is a rifle used in an assault. How about "assault pistol" or "assault bat". As previously stated, this is just a term adopted by the msm to demonize firearms.
I dunno.
50 years ago (or less) "Gay" meant happy.
Times change. A word's meaning is often what it is popularly accepted to be. The dictionary is always changing.
The term "Assault Rifle" appears to be evolving because times are changing.
50 years ago (or less) "Gay" meant happy.
Times change. A word's meaning is often what it is popularly accepted to be. The dictionary is always changing.
The term "Assault Rifle" appears to be evolving because times are changing.
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