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Ok I couldn't find anything on this so I thought I would bring it up. I was flipping around the net looking for things I can get when I get my AR. And I found an assault vest. I really thought this would be useful in an ubran environment. So here is what I have planed. I'll just post links to all my assult gear and you guys can give your input.

clothing.
http://www.uspatriotstore.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=5039
http://www.opsgear.com/Tactical-Response-Uniform-Pant-Woodland-p/atl-1275.htm
http://www.uspatriotstore.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=6478
http://www.opsgear.com/Blackhawk-Nylon-Duty-Belt-p/bh-41db.htm

Gear.
http://www.opsgear.com/TAC-FORCE-WebTac-Mesh-Vest-p/tf-s86120.htm
http://www.opsgear.com/MOLLE-Triple-M4-AK-Mag-Pouch-p/cn-ma33.htm
http://www.opsgear.com/Large-Dump-Bag-p/cn-ma17.htm
http://www.opsgear.com/MOLLE-Deluxe-Hydration-Carrier-and-Bladder-p/cn-hcb2.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR15-Magazines-p/magazines dh bt30mf 10pack.htm

Weapons.
http://dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5428
http://www.knifesupplycompany.com/swcksur2.html


Ok I think that about does it. What do you think? a bit overkill or no? I don't really think I need anything more as I have a place to live and such. The only reason to go out is to
1. get food / meet up with friends
2. fight any intruders in my community
3. patrol our borders of the community
Some people say I will not be able to stand up because of the weight I beg to differ as that should only be about 40 pounds (if that) and I train with about 30 so what is 10 or so pounds.

Am I going way over board here?
 

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I think 40 pounds is pretty optomistic. Considering your water alone will be 6 or so. Toss in 300 rounds of .223 in mags,( i didn't see a mention of a side arm....but you'll need one) three mags plus ammo for that, clothing, blow out kit, any communication gear, a days worth of food...should you choose, a light, a helmet, and SAPI plates...you'll be closer to 60.

I think you'd be better served to buy a variety of equipment and gear up based on your mission, rather than try to carry a full blown assault rig all the time.
 

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Ok well tbh theres noway for ME personaly to reply without sounding like and a$$ so I'll keep it as PC as possible.

Firstly this is the urban forum and your looking at woodland cammo? :confused:

Secondly I think your going to look nice and shiney with lots of pretties lots of desperate people will look at and say "HEY!! I want some of that" and its just over there *points at you* :(

Thirdly are you part of an organised militia or survival group, that you wont stick out like a sore thumb (alone anyway) and maybe get ganked for your weapons, ammo and other shineys? :taped:

Am I going way over board here?
In my IMVHO just a tad I'm sure others will argue with me, but thats why we post explore ideas and gather opinions :thumb:

If your out in the sticks and not an urban enviroment (city/large town) I'd say do what ya wanna do as few if any people will be around for the most part and you wont stick out.

Just my 2cps :)
 

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yes that's right no side are as I'm not 21 yet. Also I don't really see the need for body armor, food so on and so forth as this is for a community patrol and my terrain is extremely well laid out with buildings, fields, woods and such so I'll be able to take out any threat from a distance. Longest we are planed to be out is 12 to 14 hours. I know I would like a dumbass but my community members have been going over this for a long time. I'm just trying to get assault gear so that if my community is under sudden attack I can through on my vest grab my AR and be gone in a flash.
 

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Only reason I posted in urban is because this is for a small community out side the city. its not really an organized militia but the community is about 100 people withing a 3/4 sq mile. In a SHTF deal it has already been discussed that the community will band together for the community. My part for this agreement is sniper/ night watch / patrol / farming.


And the reason for the woodland is as I said we live kind of out in the sticks. Its a community surrounded by woods and fields.
 

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FWIW

i think that youll drop more $$ for that gear than you will want to.
hit ebay....trust me or search sale forums/trader boards.

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40lbs. can be done. but like mentioned, add any amror etc your going way way up.

i dont use carriers like you linked, i normally run LBV or tactical tailor mesh FLC style molle vest.cuz they get hot and well..they get hot.

this load wont ride like a pack so while you may train with 30 lbs,,its gonna effect you differently!!

what is your planned load out?
sniper/recon per what you say so well make alist shall we and then we'll guess-timate a weight;) hey its the net and evryone loves a gear list right ehehhe..

ok
so we got ubertacticool vest- 3lbs empty
pouches for said vest -3 lbs
water bladder- 4lbs for 2 liters

magazines- 6 bare min. your running(or planning on an ar) so figure 1.5 lbs per mag

spare ammo- 100 rnds- someone with an AR correct this - 2lbs

knife- field/utlity- 1.5lbs
fighting- 1lb supplemented with multi tool or SAK- round up to 1.5lbs

whats that 20 lbs?

ok- what else-

shelter-
poncho- 1lb
camo net( sniper/recon here) 1.5 lbs
viel-1 lb
causulty blanket( od/silver one) 1 lb

extras-

comms( radio and one set of batts) 1.5 lbs
binocs or spottingscope - 1 to 2lbs
FAK- basic scratch and dent kit 1lb
BOK- 1 lbs
On vest BOK- this is what youll grab FIRST if you earn extra hole- izzy dressing and CAT- .5 lbs
face paint- .5 lbs
gloves- .5 lbs
goretex jacket and fleece liner( season dependant) 1.5 lbs
goretex pants- 1lb
watch cap - .5 lbs
food-
2lbs
water filter- 1 lb
pen/pencil and paper - ballistic info and comeups..5 lbs
led hea dlamp/flash light etc -1 lb
chem lites- .5lbs
compass and area maps .5 lbs
Mini kit on person- 1 lb
spare socks- .5 lbs
550 cord,zip ties, tape- 1 lb
carbiner- .5 lbs
bugs spray or nettig - .5 lbs
gun cleaning kit .5 lbs


so now we are at 40+ lbs .

with items missing ( canteen and cup, stove and fuel...winter gear etc all junk that would put ya into the 50+ mark)

now if your playing sniper,,whos your spotter? he'll be the guy watching your 6,on point,and rotating watch with you.
youll have to load him out as well.;)


as to urban vs rural.,..camo is camo...gear is gear imho. most folks livein urban settings and have fancy multicam,yote brown junk....there is no set rulein what you need to wear....if its time to have a weapon out, you aint gonna be holding it out for show N tell.....if ya get my drift.


hows you food preps before you drop all this cash on gear? youll be eating more than shooting shtf!
 

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thanks for you input my friend. I agree with some of the things you speak but not all.

I don't see the point in the "extras" part. Radio and things yes but food, water filter, and things I don't really see. I'm doing security not bugging out. maybe I'm not really explaining myself well. Think of my community this way. You have 9 squares making a larger square all the houses are in the middle square the other 8 squares are fields and woods. on the border of the outer 8 squares is what I'll be patrolling. Along with 7 others making for 2 - 4 man squads. We'll be within 300 yards of housing incase of the worst. food on patrol won't be bad as like i said we will not be out for days on end.

As far as food prep this has not really been discussed with the community leaders however there are plenty of fields for vegetables and woods with deer and farmers with livestock.

This is just my assault gear for combat / patrol I am also setting up a camelbak BFM for my bug out bag should the community separate.
 

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my sniper load out will be as follows. If I do more sniping I'll be out for more then 12 hours.

Winchester model 70 in 30-06 with scope and bipod
gillie suit
80 founds of greek surplus 150g FMJs
radio
small backpack with food, water, and medical stuff.

for night / day border patrol my load out will be as follows. On patrol 12 to 14 hours is what we'll be out.

AR-15
radio
maybe night vision
my assault gear
2 of the mag pouches for a total of 18 + 1 mags so 570 rounds
smoke grenades and a flare or 2
small med kit quick clot act

That's about it.

I think this is what it'll look like for my vest when its done
http://www.opsgear.com/TAC-M4-Tactical-Vest-p/tf-s86015.htm

just without the pistol mags.
 

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ok first off as a general rule of thumb for myself anyways anything im going to be hanging my gear on will not have plastic clips (minus a holster) try and find a belt with an aluminum or metal such as these which i use here in iraq http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agprice2/level4c.tam?&M5COPY.ctx=27038&M5=3535
or this one
http://www.amazon.com/Spec-Ops-Brand-Soldier-Enhancement-Gear/dp/B0006MS1RQ
also if your in an urban environment dont waste money on woodlands camo get a set of nice jeans with some cargo pockets, a dull gray, or similair color shirt, and some comfortable boots or shoes in which you can run miles in.
 

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my sniper load out will be as follows. If I do more sniping I'll be out for more then 12 hours.

Winchester model 70 in 30-06 with scope and bipod
gillie suit
80 founds of greek surplus 150g FMJs
radio
small backpack with food, water, and medical stuff.

for night / day border patrol my load out will be as follows. On patrol 12 to 14 hours is what we'll be out.

AR-15
radio
maybe night vision
my assault gear
2 of the mag pouches for a total of 18 + 1 mags so 570 rounds
smoke grenades and a flare or 2
small med kit quick clot act

That's about it.

I think this is what it'll look like for my vest when its done
http://www.opsgear.com/TAC-M4-Tactical-Vest-p/tf-s86015.htm

just without the pistol mags.
now i think your taking it over the top pick one rifle unless you have the money to have plenty of ammo for both. i saw your article about trying to get some land so i dont know if you still plan on bugging in on your land but for myself ive picked a medium range rifle for myself chambered in 5.56 because its a popular round and im familiar with the ballistics of the round (im currently in the military) your honestly better off sticking to one rifle and having the know how to gunsmith it so if anything happens you can fix it than having two and spending more money overall to repair them should something happens. the old addage comes to mind.....beware the man with only one gun because he probably knows how to use it well
 

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No sir I'm not going to go through with buying land as its just to much money. I'm just going to hold out in my local community. I already had the winchester from my grandfather I want an AR is its more suitable for combat. I know how to service an AR and the winchester. so do you think i should maybe just get the assault package and go with that? by the way i have 800 rounds of 30-06 and about 2000 of .223
 

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yes that's right no side are as I'm not 21 yet. Also I don't really see the need for body armor, food so on and so forth as this is for a community patrol and my terrain is extremely well laid out with buildings, fields, woods and such so I'll be able to take out any threat from a distance. Longest we are planed to be out is 12 to 14 hours. I know I would like a dumbass but my community members have been going over this for a long time. I'm just trying to get assault gear so that if my community is under sudden attack I can through on my vest grab my AR and be gone in a flash.
your the role of the DM/sniper and your legally blind i take it you have descent vision at night because i know mine sucks and my vision is over 20/200. honestly i dont think you really need body armor its very bulky and hard to shoot with on without lots of trigger time and youd need more than a normal range youd need something you could practice shooting and moving if needed. as a sniper i dont think youd need that much ammo. your goal is to be light and fast and not seen with all that bulk it will be considerably harder for you to stay concealed. its great that your community has a plan in a shtf scenario but its better to remain unseen than putting your news out on the street. a gsw in a shtf scenario would not be good so a gunfight would and should be an absolute last resort.
 

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No sir I'm not going to go through with buying land as its just to much money. I'm just going to hold out in my local community. I already had the winchester from my grandfather I want an AR is its more suitable for combat. I know how to service an AR and the winchester. so do you think i should maybe just get the assault package and go with that? by the way i have 800 rounds of 30-06 and about 2000 of .223
i have a molle chest rig that i got from my buddy thats my unit armorer. i got it for nothing mostly because it had drop pouches that i was going to use for paintball but then switched its role. you want something that can be versitale(sp) to your needs. i may need to buy a leg drop for my ifak(first aid kit) because there is much more room on my rig for it. but the main thing is i can get to my ammo pouches and they aren't in the way when im in the prone unsupported firing position. if you plan on using the ar more you may want to have more rounds than that? is your community planning on hunting and farming if so which weapon would you use to take animals. your obviously going to need more ammo for that weapon than your combat rifle.
 

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I think this is what it'll look like for my vest when its done
http://www.opsgear.com/TAC-M4-Tactical-Vest-p/tf-s86015.htm
is this the assualt pack you were talking about? if so i dont really like the position of the ammo pouches because while i havent driven a civilian owned vehicle in my body armor i can tell you driving a hmmv with the pouches there it is difficult to maneuver the truck. honestly your better off getting something you can customize to your liking no point in having anything on there you dont need. try this site its from opsgear as well its kind of pricey but you get what you pay for and i dont skimp on gear that i need to be able to trust my life to.

http://www.vestbuilder.com/
 

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For urban, I will be staying home as much as possible. If I need to leave the house, I will dress like a poor homeless person, carry an empty backpack and have my .45, suppressed .22 and extra mags hidden under my torn windbreaker. My role won’t be community cop. It will be gathering intelligence and necessary items for personal / family survival.

If I need to carry a 40-60lb pack it is because I am blowing town and don’t have a car.
 

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NOW WAIT JUST A DEER KILLING MINUTE. how did you know I'm legally blind. :D DUDE MY VISION IS 20/200 AS WELL I'M YELLNIG BECAUSE I'M NOT ALONE :D ok holy cow man. This is cool. how did you get in with 20/200? because i would totally go man. :D here is my situation and the i'll read all the posts i just saw that and stopped right there. lol. I'm 100% color blind but have trained my self to see many colors. the condition i have is call acromatopsya. Its where my eyes git bigger in the light and even bigger in the dark. I see things at night that freaks people out. I'll post a link in my next post to a very interesting article about my disorder.
 
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