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For months now possible financial troubles have been repeatedly addressed within this forum. Time and again it has been predicted that trouble, in the form of an economic collapse, would start off somewhere and then ripple its way around the planet and across our nation. It recently has started on our nation's own Wall Street but now word is that Europe is facing an economic meltdown and nations over there are trying to shore up their banks and such. I would expect that soon markets in Asia and the Middle East will also feel the sting of this economic crunch. And the next ripple effect after the markets failing should be what? Local governments and state governments?

If the local governments and state governments start to fall apart, that would be the time to expect rioting and a massive increase in criminal activity. That could very well be when you will need your rifles and ammo for the good defense of your families. It would probably be wise to right now be stockpiling ammo and firearms, while you can and they are still available to purchase. A week or two from now might be too late.

Any way, here's a link to the story about European nations trying to fix their banks' plights...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_re_eu/eu_europe_meltdown
 

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You've no doubt heard that California is in trouble. I just heard something of Fox (radio) that Citicorp (whichever is working on getting Wachovia) is looking like they are in trouble as well. Sorry but it was difficult to pay close attention with a fussy toddler in the back.

Asian markets open in a few hours so I'll be watching them.
 

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you can bet if state and local governments go bust there will riots not long after.especially when the hoodrats don't get the monthly checks.
 
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If Citi does not get Wachovia then expect them to pullout of markets like Texas within a very short time. We are looking at a few national banks left after January 1.
 

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Orchestrating the death of the dollar



The recent events of Wall Street should not be a surprise to anyone IF people have been doing their homework. What the problem is, is that the entire world is dependent on the monetary system; greedy corporate manipulation, war and unchecked consumerism have reared there ugly heads....we have been bought and sold by the elite bankers. we are just meat puppets to them-driving the machine, feeding their coffers.

If we oust politicians, abolish all governments, the UN, the World Bank and all of their cronies we can finally realize a peaceful, fulfilling life for everyone on this planet. This is our planet, we should all be responsible for taking care of her and use her resources wisely. we have the technology right now to free ourselves from the madness thrust upon us for hundreds of years by greed and corruption of a few madmen. MONEY in any form equals slavery....
 

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Nature has a way of purging itself of the weak. I hope they all fail. 700 billion could have been used in alot of better ways. Vote against all incumbants
I will be doing exactly that, unless the other option is a liberal. If they are a blue dog democrat of Zell Miller's constitution I will vote for them, but that isn't liberal.

I know there is a Libertarian candidate for the open Senate seat, Allen Buckley, in Georgia. He will be getting my vote instead of that traitor Chambliss that voted for the bail-out.
 

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"...If we oust politicians, abolish all governments, the UN, the World Bank and all of their cronies we can finally realize a peaceful, fulfilling life for everyone on this planet. This is our planet, we should all be responsible for taking care of her and use her resources wisely. we have the technology right now to free ourselves from the madness thrust upon us for hundreds of years by greed and corruption of a few madmen. MONEY in any form equals slavery...." WOW!!!! So young and so naive...

Without a government of some sort, society collapses and criminals rule the area. There is no way, AT ALL, that we can do without a government. What we presently have for a government does create an oral vacuum but no government would result in anarchy, times of terror and torture. Go back and read about when there was no strong central government in merry olde England. The vikings ravaged that country for years and years doing anything that they wanted to include killing, raping and maiming religious people and peasants. It was a horrible time. Re-think your point a little bit and try for something more realistic.
 

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Nature has a way of purging itself of the weak. I hope they all fail. 700 billion could have been used in alot of better ways. Vote against all incumbants
i couldnt agree more...i think anyone in office with an "I" beside their name should be voted out. lets get some new blood in office....yeah 700 billion could have been used way better than bailing out a bunch of corrupt pricks on wall street it sickens me to even think of how much its "really" going to cost.
 

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Re-think your point a little bit and try for something more realistic.
I read something interesting today which might work if given half a chance. If not it'd plunge our Nation into Civil War II.

Worth a read:

http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2007/11/second-american-revolution-victory.html

Excerpt:

" REVIEW OF A FEW PERTINENT RULES FROM MARTIAL LAW SURVIVAL GUIDE:

1-The Government WILL kill you.

2-Keep your mouth SHUT.

3-Learn how to shoot.

Surviving is good, but without the hope of eventual Victory, survival is but a form of living death. The kind of death prisoners serving life know, or the billions of human beings that are born, live, and die in the 160 or so squalid dictatorships.

No, mere survival is not enough; the promise of a new dawn for mankind must be MADE, not dreamed of. That is why I’m writing this follow-on to Martial Law Survival Guide. Mainly for Americans but I’m certain the lessons can be used by just about anyone from any society on Earth. Let’s proceed.

FIRST, WHERE ARE YOU GOING?

What is your destination. What kind of society do you want to live in?

I’ll go ahead and tell you the kind of society we all should live in:

1)Society must serve the Individual; not only in her or his basic needs-protection from enemies foreign and domestic, the guarantee of Rights, dispensation of Justice but in each of us encouraging one another to be better, to as Individuals contributing what God has given each of us. Current models of society wind up having the People serve the state-either embodied by a god-king or a collective of bureaucrats, agents, professional politicians and financiers.

This model has caused nothing but endless war and misery for Man. For each and every person living on Earth the only way to stop the murders, thefts, and subjugation is to overcome the state and make the Individual fulfillment the measure of governance.

2)That being said, such Individuals, such Free People need a moral guide that unmistakably comes from God. Because only through a moral baseline lovingly instilled from birth can the baser impulses of human beings truly be suppressed-not with more guns, more laws and more prisons.

3)This Society of Sovereign, Free People must have their Rights defended by a basic law, enforceable by that Individual against the very government that would violate those Rights.

The Right to Bear Arms must be guaranteed. So must Private Property without taxation, the Right to Vote after proving competency, Freedom of Speech, Belief, and Protest. The greater demands of Justice require that Jury Trial by one’s own peers-once proven to be competent citizens-be the rule in all cases and that Jury Nullification be enshrined as an absolute Right.

4)Such a society of Sovereign, Free People require that each Individual be competent in the handling of such power. One cannot be a full citizen with the Right to Vote and serve Jury Duty without being fully educated and proven to wield such knowledge with competence. Of course, racism is about as viable in such a society as belief in flat earth.

5)With these Rights, it must be impressed upon this society of Sovereign, Free People that it’s constant, eternal defense is everyone’s Responsibility. It’s laws must be everyone’s Responsibility. It’s enforcement must be everyone’s Responsibility, as are the conduct of those entrusted with public service as is amendment, removal and punishment for the slightest breach of Public Trust-for such is TREASON!

And there is only one suitable punishment for Treason-death.

That is a rough sketch of the society I strive for with my writings, which every day bring risk of who I am being discovered by the beast. The beast of course, is a tyrant and so for the sake of future generations must be utterly destroyed. That is my goal, and it should be yours.

STAGES OF REVOLUTION

CONCEPTION

Ideals

Our Ideal is Individual Freedom-and that society must be constructed around the preservation of Individual Freedom so each person can have the opportunity to achieve their maximum potential, which in the end contributes to the society. Real Freedom from enslaving ideologies, from enslaving government. Towards taking this Freedom, many steps must be taken-many of them will be painful. But such is the price of taking one’s Freedom.

Those steps are physical-getting in shape, becoming self-sufficient and capable of defense of one’s self and others. Mental-ruthlessly eliminating addictions, dependencies on the beast and it’s many mental traps. Spiritual-FINDING GOD IN YOUR HEART YOURSELF AS YOUR SPIRITUAL JOURNEY BACK TO OUR FATHER. Because only having Our Father in your Heart will give you the strength to say NO.

Freedom, in today’s debased America, is an alien concept. Americans are trained from infancy to believe they’re free while actually being the most comprehensively controlled people in history.

There are many aspects of Freedom-however many people being introduced to them will not understand them, and so will tune you out. Therefore, it’s vital to know who you’re talking to and what they’re ready to hear. So, I’ve divided the common Patriot themes and ideals that have been espoused over the past half century into separate categories based on common knowledge and ability to be accepted upon first contact.

Introductory ideals

These are what average uneducated folks can readily grasp and agree with. They should be delivered in a way that entices them to find out what causes them-which will lead them to the intermediate ideals. They should be rooted in answering everyday problems that lead to a truer vision of what’s wrong.

I must state here that people are usually only ready to hear the truth when they’re ready to listen-that is when the world model they operate off of can’t explain how their life is so messed up. They struggle until they reach a epiphany, where all the little doubts in their minds come together in a perfect storm, and they awake.

Our introductory ideals must be constructed to artificially induce this perfect storm that will crack open the programming the megacorporate ran mass culture and government schools have bathed the average American their entire lives. They must be outwardly simple, easy to grasp and attract the attention of the average American’s childlike mentality, yet once viewed or read engineer the epiphany they’ve long needed.

Yes, see what average folks are bitching about and start there. Show them the beginning of the rhetorical rabbit hole as the source of their problems-yet hint that there’s a lot more to figure out.

Examples? Hmm, that’s a good one, because there are so few-I don’t know if any exist. They’ll have to be made in the first place. But let’s figure out what the average American’s worried about:

*Keeping their jobs-but their traitor bosses are cutting benefits, pay, or just shipping them to China.

*Try to provide food for their families-but all their food is poisoned, as is their water.

*Give their children an education-but they can’t add or know their history, or mentally function, but they can follow state school indoctrination and be good little Hitler Youth.

*Save for their retirement-but don’t know insurance is a fraud, their 401k’s are a fraud, even keeping their money in a bank is a fraud.

*Keeping safe in a dangerous society-but don’t know government engineers the crime and the criminals to create a problem, their crimes cause a reaction which leads to the public accepting the government’s plans to take their Freedom.

Intermediate ideals

This will be the standard issues we in the Movement struggled with, that which form the entrance to that rabbit hole analogy. It’s important not to expose the Recruit until their mind is receptive to understanding and accepting them. Fortunately most Patriot literature fills the need in this department-it’s just that we’ve lost sight of where most folks are at and that we’re trying to teach the equivalence of quantum physics to people who can’t answer 2+2 correctly.

Deepest ideals

These will be the ultimate motivation to the Recruit to join the Struggle. Spiritual, because this struggle is ultimately a struggle for the souls of every person. That people’s lives have to have purpose! Purpose! We as Americans have been placed on Earth at this time not to be spectators to Armageddon, but to STOP IT! Nothing less than the destiny of the Human Race is dependent on each of our decisions to wake up and fight.

Counterrevolutionary resistance

Already happening. America’s mainline culture is a marvel of social control and debasement. The beast has managed over a period of a century to debase the greatest, most free people in history and turned them into cowardly, greedy, materialistic slaves. Slaves. "
 

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One of the things that I see as being a major problem would be the present fiscal crisis becoming worse and a limited nuclear attack on our nation happening at the same time. Talk about confusion, panic and chaos...

So your tag line at the bottom:
"This is the Wartime Broadcasting Service. This country has been attacked with nuclear weapons. Communications have been severely disrupted, and the number of casualties and the extent of the damage are not yet known. Stay calm and stay in your own homes." could easily be close to the actual message that would signal that we Americans were in the very deep middle of a true SHTF scenario. Riots, food shortages and increased violence would be the rules of the day instead of the exceptions. But there may be a couple of other scenarios that could also signal complete disruption of our present lifestyles too. So we wait to see what else collapses and what else needs to be bailed out before we really brace ourselves for turmoil. But I wonder if the Middle Eastern markets will also fold, buckle or survive?
 

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From current information, Obama WILL be elected and assuming he carries through with his announced spending increases and new massive programs the dollar will continue to remain volatile and losing value thus resulting in spiking consumer prices, expanding trade deficits, increasing unemployment, as well as a collapasing domestic economy etc.

To cut to the bottomline, it is of extreme urgency that people complete survival preparations ASAP as even those who spend their lives following the economy are united in the conclusion that NO improvement but rather increased failure of the US economy is in store for at least the next 2 1/2 years.

The repercussions of this should be obvious as should the type preparations necessary for surviving them.
 

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Right now I am looking at more food to be stored, more ammo and a couple of sights for my firearms. I should be okay with the number of guns that I have. All I need to do is top off my ammo and add some more food. One can't have enough ammo or food stored away.
 

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This is interesting. It´s not supposed to be the land of freedom USA?...and you´re prepping for a Civil Revolution as well...?...in Venezuela we have in the first time in 40 years health care for the poor people, enough food in the table for the 70% of the population, ridiculous child birth death rate and our economy growing up. Some posters of this site (and some others in Venezuela,I must add) have told me with exactly that words: that martial law would be issued here and we would be all Uncle Hugo´s slaves. Funny to read this thread.
 

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No, what our nation is reacting to is the series of false economic bubbles created over here by OUR socialists. Like your Chavez, our socialists used their power and influences in the wrong way to set in motion what we now see as a financial disaster. Some of what our socialists did goes all the way to when Jimmy Carter was president! Don't worry, Greg, soon enough your little nation will be a 3rd world nation again because Chavez's government can't survive without the help of our nation's socialists/Democrats and other foreign socialists. In a few months your nation will be worse off than Argentina, North Korea and/or Somalia. Just give it time....
 

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Hey, proud man...

We´ve been listening that since 1998, when My Commander President Hugo Chavez arrived to the desk. My "little" nation, is a proud sponsor of peace and progress, my friend. Yours can hardly say the same. Somalia is the way it is because of USA interventionism, who bombed a building where there was a progressive government forming. Argentina has signed agreements with Brazil to avoid using the dollar in their commercial exchange. You don´t even know what real socialism is. What you know, is what the sargent pepper in your training barked to wash your brains. Are the "socialists" there receiving money from the government with the 700.000 $ millions?...In a few months, my friend, our economy will grow up >6%. You seem to have the wrong information. Venezuelans are not koreans nor Argentinians...much less the poor somalians, who had to kick the US troops assess with their bare hands back there in the 90s...keep your "good" desires for yourself, as I don´t need them. Your "big" nation is sinking fast and you stand (with too much pride, I see) in the bridge.
That´s the way the Gods have decided. It´s written already.I feel sorry for all that innocent people. Not for those who are partially responsable, neither for those who see over the shoulder to other nations, and talk down to another person, just for daring to make a comment in that issue. There´s people here who love USA, but don´t even go to leave there. It´s the same kind of people who told Uncle Hugo would issue martial law and other bunch of lies. What I laugh of? You´re facing the same danger, when you told us the "danger" we were running. Poetic Justice, "airborne". My "little" nation has retrieved the reserves the heck out of USA. That´s a smart move, I see it. It´s too easy to blame "socialists" (or whatever you call socialism there) for everything. The real deal is this: 70% approval in the most recent polls. By the way...there is no such thing as socialism there in USA.
 
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