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While bush hogging through some heavy brush the front of the tractor ran into a limb and broke a weld on the radiator guard. The brush guard frame is inch and a quarter angle iron with perforated steel making the actual guard. This is probably the second or third time the weld has broke. The weld itself is fine. The issue is the leverage put on the weld with the brush guard.

My welding qualifications:

2 years experience structural steel welder.

12 years experience fabrication AMSE certified pressure vessels and shell and tube heat exchanges. I have been certified on carbon steel, chrome and stainless. I have experience fitting and working with Monel, Hastelloy, Inconel,,, and a few other alloys. The vessels and heat exchangers I built had everything from water to hydrogen to phosgene running through them, but not all at the same time.


MIG, stick or Fluxcore

Everything we are discussing is either 7018 welding rods or ER-70 welding wire. 6010, 6011 and 5P is fine for tacking, but not for welding.

Stick welding – Even though I have extensive experience with stick welding and have been certified, I do not have a stick welder at home, nor do I plan on getting one. Leave the stick welding to the pipeliners, construction workers and fabrication shops. The flux on the outside of the rod helps protect the weld puddle from hydrogen and oxygen, which can cause pinholes.

Pinholes are small round holes in the finished weld.

For welding around the farm stick welding usually burns too hot. When welding sheet metal or thin metal with welding rods, the base metal will melt away which leaves a hole. Then there is storing the welding rods and cost of the rods.

If I was welding in a production shop and was working on at least 1/4 inch thick steel, then I would go with stick rods. The rods are expensive and are more difficult for new welders to learn than either MIG or fluxcore.

MIG – Stands for Metal Inert Gas. I have heard it called Metallic Inert Gas and that is what I often refer to it as, metallic inert gas. The standard gas mixture for MIG welding is 75/25 – 75% argon and 25% carbon dioxide. There are other mixtures but they are used for specialized welding. The inert gas provides a shield to protect the molten metal from hydrogen and oxygen.

If the gas shielding is blown by a gust of wind the weld can develop pinholes.

While moving a MIG machine you have to take the bottle of compressed gas into consideration. There is the wire feeder, bottle and power supply, which is a welding machine.

MIG welding is best suited for inside a shop or shed where the job can be brought to you and where the wind can be blocked. With MIG welding keep in mind, wind = pinholes.

Fluxcore – Is a mixture of stick welding and MIG welding. Fluxcore, just as it’s name applies has flux in the middle of the wire, thus no need for a gas shield. I have seen fluxcore welding use a gas shield. Usually this is in heavy welding applications or in windy situations where extra shielding is desired.

For welding around the farm I use a generator and a fluxcore welding machine. This setup is highly portable and there is no worry of compressed gas bottles. Fluxcore or the most part eliminates the need for mixed gas bottles.

MIG vs Fluxcore -Torn between buying a MIG or fluxcore machine? Ask yourself two simple questions.

Question 1. Is the majority of your welding outside or inside a building?

MIG = inside a building where the wind can be blocked. This is where the jobs are brought ot you.

Fluxcore = outside in the wide open. This is where you go to the jobs.

Question 2. Do you want to deal with bottles of compressed gas? Do you want to stop welding and go get a bottle refilled, especially on a weekend?

I opted for fluxcore.

MIG and fluxcore use the same strength welding wire, which is ER-70. One square inch of ER-70 is rated at 70,000 pounds. Which is the same as a 7018 welding rod. Funny how that works out.

Weld contamination


Welding around the farm the usual causes of weld contamination are rust, paint and old welds. Welding over an old weld can draw out contaminates, such as pin holes. When possible grind as much of the old weld off as is feasible. Get the old weld off and down to good base metal.

Use a wire buffing wheel or grinding disk to remove paint and/or rust.

After each pass of weld, use a buffing wheel or wire brush to remove welding flux.

That is about it for now. In future articles we will discuss various types of welding and welding safety.

If you want to get into welding the best way to learn is to get out there and do it. No amount of reading will replace hands on experience.
 

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I've got a Miller Blue Star stick welder mounted in the back of my truck along with an acetylene torch. I've got a Thermalarc 251 3 in 1 in the shop. It can mig/tig/stick. I don't have the tig or a spool gun for aluminum. I stick weld aluminum. You gotta do what you gotta do. I don't weld enough aluminum to merit the expense of a spool gun and another tank for 100% argon. I use 75/25 with 70 series wire in the shop. I like 7014's in the field. My Dad being an old farmer always had 6013's on hand. They are good for dirty steel but if you get slag in a weld you have to grind it out. Since a lot of my repairs are field expedient to get people's crops off or in sometimes I have to use 6011 to burn through an old weld. More often than not the farmer will bring a machine in after they have repaired it themselves until the steel is so crystallized it shatters like glass. I have to weld a lot of rusty steel, a lot of steel that has been in fertilizer(my favorite) and remove everything from rebar to plow lays and weld upon weld upon weld to fix something so it will hold. I've seen some primo work.
 

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Welding well enough to make something work isn't really hard. I work at a sawmill and learned some basic stick welding on our huge machines when they break. I've only done it a few times, but it's gotten so I can eyeball the metal thickness and crank the voltage to where it needs to be. Beyond that, focusing on laying a consistent bead is about all there is to it. I used a flux core welder a couple times on some really thin metal and it worked great, just left a lot of spatter to brush off. The flux core is really good for laying a quick bead on some of our steel rollers to help grab and guide the logs and boards as they move across them, or to add some texture to the chains to grab the wood better.
 

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Who wrote this article? What kind of person would say "6010... is fine for tacking, but not welding"? Do they not know how extensively 6010 is used?

I'm a career pressure vessel welder. I know a thing or two about it as well.
25 years of professional welding under my belt, not counting the years I spent on the ranch welding when I was a kid. Besides the different certs I've held over the years, I am also a Master Journeyman Ironworker as well as Master Journeyman Millwright. The last several years has found me running my own rigtruck in the oilpatch.

I am not sure of the thought process behind saying 6010 is good for tacking, but not welding. I've welded miles of bead with 6010, which is the same thing s 5P. 5P is used ALOT for the root and hotpass when welding pipe. I have also used it when extensively when building tanks.
 

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Yup. We use a lot of 7010 and 8010 on the North Slope, too.

Couple of nice old Lincolns in your pictures. I recently picked up an SA-250 with the Perkins diesel, a 2000 model, for two grand. Little more than I wanted to pay for a machine with 6k hours on it, but it came with leads and, more importantly, the factory CV module. Thought I got a great deal, until I tested out the CV mode and there's something wrong with it. Been working with the Lincoln guys over the phone to try and diagnose the problem.

I don't really want to sit here and dissect everything the OP says, but I'll tackle this next...

For welding around the farm stick welding usually burns too hot. When welding sheet metal or thin metal with welding rods, the base metal will melt away which leaves a hole. Then there is storing the welding rods and cost of the rods.
If it burns too hot, turn the amperage down. Problem solved.

How do you think they welded sheet metal before the advent of wire feed? Use 6013. That's its purpose. A light penetrating rod good for thin steel.

Why is storing rod any more or less of an issue than storing wire? 7018 is the only rod with special storage requirements, and flux core wires come in hermetically sealed packages just like 7018 does. There's a reason for this.

Cost? A cursory search on the Airgas website (yes, I realize that prices may vary drastically by location) shows Lincoln Excalibur 7018 at $2.81/lb for a 50 lb box, and Lincoln Outershield 71M, an equivalent FCAW-S wire to Excalibur 7018, at $3.67/lb for a 33lb spool.

Lots of misinformation right from the get go.
 

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That is a good price for the SA250.
Call Bill's Welder Repair in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. If you can, speak with Kay Sellon. She is Bill's daughter and has forgot more about Lincoln welders than the engineers and techs at the factory will ever know.
www.billswelderrepair.com
405-232-4799

An old refridgerator or freezer makes a good place to store welding rods and wire. Moisture is the enemy of rods and will degrade the integrity of the flux, which in turn, makes for a bad weld.

Since the oilfield has slowed down in this area, I have been doing some welding for other ranchers around the region. I got a call to go down to Nebraska and build some corrals and do some equipment repair for a rancher by the Agate National Monument.

The silo build was at a coal mine about 10 miles south of our ranch. They were using the 2nd largest mobile crane in the world to set the conveyor going to the top. The engineers made some severe miscalculations and a little rain over the weekend eroded the ground beneath the mats and when they got up on the load, the crane went ass over teakettle. It was a huge mess. Then they brought in the largest mobile crane in the world. Thankfully, I was welding on the pipe crew and was nowhere around when things went tits up.



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I've spoken with the guys at Bill's a few times about ordering parts, it never occurred to me to get their help with the diagnosis. I'm gonna give it a whirl, if I can ever catch them during business hours. The time difference, combined with my current work schedule, means that I can almost never get anybody on the phone.

An old refrigerator is a good budget choice for storing moisture-sensitive electrodes. Personally I like using a rod oven, but I know that's more involved than lots of people want to get.

That looks like it was a fun time dealing with the cranes.
 

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How do you think they welded sheet metal before the advent of wire feed? Use 6013. That's its purpose. A light penetrating rod good for thin steel.
We used 7014's on 16 ga. building grain handling equipment. Also used them building fuel tanks for farm service. Couldn't use wire. It would seep. We also used stick only on welding auger flighting. I love the 7014. when it's set right the slag curls right up behind the weld as it cools. Very pretty welds.
 

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The HawCreek handle leads me to believe that there may be an NC connection. Got family just south of HC, and a good friend was at Haw Creek FD years ago.



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Being stationed in Camp Lejeune for four years is the only connection I have with NC. Hawk Creek is a little place up here in Washington where I first learned to hunt.
 
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