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I read here how many members tell you, they tell me, they tell all of us here on this forum how there is nowhere better to live, to raise a family, or to exist from day to day except America. That was the case once, but no more. I also hear them say they will hide somewhere if things get real bad. In the age of satellite surveillance you cannot hide. At other times there are those who will tell you they will fight to the death if need be to preserve America. To those who would say these things to us and truly believe it I say; you are living in a dream world.

You can’t hide anywhere in the USA, it is not the best country in the world to live in, it is bad there now and has been for many years and getting worse by the day. You have little chance to fight a superior force even if you wanted to. You would be hunted down and eliminated forthwith or incarcerated in a prison for the rest of your natural life. Remember Waco? Randy Weaver?

Strong words? I admit it. Even stronger yet are the following bits and pieces as to the status of the US in today’s modern world.

• For starters, who can tell you why in a free country an avowed Marxist could be elected as the President of the US? It happened with Clinton.

• Why a so called free press will not properly or ethically report the news to Americans in an impartial way without cloaking or sifting the information that is handed to you a (prime) participants of the country known as a citizen? Better yet the not so impartial press is covering up much information about people in high office who are benefitting themselves and their friends at your expense, and you aren’t being told about it. Remember AIG and Wall Street.

• Why there is such a huge group of people living in the US as Americans, who were born and raised there and are rabidly anti-American in so many ways as to be classified in other more descriptive words as being enemies of the country? The far Left, people like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

• Why then are Americans doing nothing about it? There is no hue and cry from Americans to have these people dealt with forthwith. They just keep on screwing America from within and they are doing it to you too.

• Why do those who proclaim they are Patriots do nothing but complain as their principal means of protest and they complain in such an innocuous way, the enemy within laughs at them? It is a pitiful response to the enemies of America who are advocating, working toward and implementing the downfall of America and the American way of life.

• The legacy they will leave Americans and their offspring is grim if it isn’t stopped.

• Slavery, destitution, the country stolen and given to immigrants and third world status. That will be our legacy to the coming generations.

America is being manipulated by a faction that is well organized, financed by hundreds of billions of dollars, infiltrated in every craft and field imaginable, the main branches of the various governments and by handpicked candidates that will follow the party line. While this is going on the average guy is struggling to make ends meet because the American wealth is being “Redistributed” around the world and to individuals who never worked toward the American dream such as illegal immigrants, and left wingers.

America is fighting wars all over the globe while our Allies do nothing or little to help the whole time America has troops stationed all over the world protecting other countries with money, military personnel, arms, equipment and infrastructure to house and feed the troops. Time and again France pleaded for America to come to their defense and when they are asked today for any assistance they turn a cold shoulder toward America. Remember, France was controlled by the Vichy Government when the Nazis invaded them and they welcomed the Germans with open arms. There were no battles to seize France.

America poured hundreds of billions of dollars into Russia during and after World War Two and Russia has consistently defaulted on paying back all loans made to them. The most significant payback Russia has given the US is to proclaim they are America’s staunches enemy and to top it off they stole the Atom Bomb from America.

Iran was a strong ally until Jimmy Carter got elected and when he had the opportunity to do what was right he took the liberal side street and allowed them to bring in a radical Islamic Ayatollah to take over the country when the Shah left. The Ayatollah was exiled and living in France at the time. The rest is history. Our people from the embassy were held for over 400 days. Pakistan was another liberal blunder and they have the atom bomb, so does North Korea and China.

When it came time to elect another President and Clinton came to the plate he had a history of being anti-American. A Rhodes Scholar, he was invited to Russia for a free trip courtesy of the KGB. He participated in anti-America rallies and get togethers in England, his wife was a lawyer for the Black Panther Party. He was elected to the highest office in the land and while President he actually sold computer generated state secrets to the Chinese, rented out the Lincoln bedroom in the White House at a hundred thousand a pop. He was impeached for perjury and he got away with it. He has made in excess of a hundred million since he left office and people in America were willing to put his wife in that office?

The American people did nothing and now they are on the verge of electing a man who has never had a job, never directed anyone to do anything in his life, has less then 180 days in office, is possibly a Muslim, is most certainly an adherent to Karl Marx and his theories, believes that reparation to blacks in America is a certainty, wants to increase aid to African countries, and is pals with radicals who advocate the overthrow of the government of the United States of America. Additionally he wants to bankrupt the US by raising taxes on everyone, wants to provide health care to all Americans, and will make peace with all American enemies as soon as he is elected. This man is without a doubt the most dangerous man in America today and if he is elected as President, the death knell for America will sound.

You are not safe in America today. You have not been safe for many years. You are not free in America. You haven’t been free since Roosevelt was the President. It will only get worse if Obama is elected. All you have to do is wonder why a man like him could possibly get where he is without so much as an investigation. If he was applying for a civil service job just the Bill Ayers question alone would be sufficient enough to have him get rejected and yet he is most probably going to move into the White House. He wrote books, read them. In the books he tells you what he is and what he will do to America.

This may be the last opportunity many of you will have to leave a sinking ship. It isn’t patriotism to suffer at the hands of anti-American factions. It isn’t patriotic to stay where your country is being given to illegal immigrants or where your public servants are relinquishing your Constitutional rights by the stroke of a pen. It isn’t patriotic to see elected politicians stealing from the coffers of the US treasury and tucking it away in a Swiss bank account. It isn’t patriotic to watch those same politicians openly practicing nepotism. Do you think any of you could get away with 1/1000th of what those "Public Servants" get away with?

You as an American must think about your family first and primarily your freedom. It’s way too late to think about Patriotism. America is lost. Look what is running for President and ask yourself, is this possible in America? Do you think for one minute it is going to get better? What type of change is there going to be? Remember this, the President doesn’t fund anything, he doesn’t make law, he is an administer and a foreign diplomat. He can however sink the ship of state by doing the wrong things at the wrong time.

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Caseyboy
 

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Highlander,

What makes you think other countries don't have the same things? I have all of those and more. How long do you think you'll have those if the s**t hits the fan? Those who have the power will take care of their own, not you unless of course you're one of them.I also have something you don't, FREEDOM!

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America is being manipulated by a faction that is well organized, financed by hundreds of billions of dollars, infiltrated in every craft and field imaginable, the main branches of the various governments and by handpicked candidates that will follow the party line. While this is going on the average guy is struggling to make ends meet because the American wealth is being “Redistributed” around the world and to individuals who never worked toward the American dream such as illegal immigrants, and left wingers.
I agree with that statement of yours, and actually with most of what you have said. And yes, it is the fault of those of us who knew better and did nothing (or not enough) as more and more of our liberties have been taken and replaced with a creeping socialism. And we will pay for that, probably for generations. BUT. I strongly disagree with your conclusions.

You can’t hide anywhere in the USA, it is not the best country in the world to live in, it is bad there now and has been for many years and getting worse by the day. You have little chance to fight a superior force even if you wanted to. You would be hunted down and eliminated forthwith or incarcerated in a prison for the rest of your natural life.
1. Maybe the USA is not the best country in the world for you to live in; that's probably why you choose not to live here. But it is the best for me and for many others, simply because it is our home, it is where out roots are and where we will make a future.

2. Organized resistance is not, despite what you have apparently heard, futile. Fighting a militarily superior and better organized entity on its own terms is futile, but who would suggest doing that?? Look at various guerrilla resistance efforts throughought history and around the world. It's often the well equipped, topheavy, bureaucratically-controlled regimes that come out on the losing end in the long run in a partisan struggle, especially in cases where the resistance is literally fighting for their homes and freedom.

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I also hear them say they will hide somewhere if things get real bad. In the age of satellite surveillance you cannot hide.
Sir, have you ever seen the Rockies? The Appalachians? I take it you must not have, and also must not have spoken with any of the numerous federal agents who have been involved in recent years in embarrasingly long and unsuccessful searches for individuals who were doing what you stated was impossible. No technology is invincible. It may present a new set of challenges, but there are always countermeasures. The problem with the Waco and Ruby Ridge situations was that you had people trying to hold off federal armies with rifles and plywood shacks, rather than being on the move and fighting their battles on their own terms, in their own terrain and timing.


Thanks for your post. I'm sure you made a lot of people think today.

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Highlander,

What makes you think other countries don't have the same things? I have all of those and more. How long do you think you'll have those if the s**t hits the fan? Those who have the power will take care of their own, not you unless of course you're one of them.I also have something you don't, FREEDOM!

Caseyboy
The USA is not perfect by any means and I do not disagree with most of the OP. Despite our shortcomings, as a middle-of-the-road American, I enjoy a higher standard of living than most of the world--in particular Central America.

You claim to be a former US Navy LtCmdr with a PhD. living in Costa Rica. You should know that.
 

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I was born and raised in America. Life isn't always easy for any of us. If we get out there and bust our butt to have a higher standard of living most of us succeed. We may never get rich but we are ahead of other countries in that respect.
 

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I am what I am. I can tell you I have everything you have and alot more. Do you think we don't have cell phones and sat TV? Do you think we don't have running water or flushing toilets? I can tell you what I don't have-I don't have the IRS, I don't have TV cameras tracking my every move. I do have warm water pacific beaches and white sand. I can drive on the beaches as well and I don't need any permission to do it. I don't have radar guns on every corner trying to nab me every where I go.

I too was born, raised and educated in America and I was in the military for awhile. I was also spit on and called terrible names by my own countrymen when I came back. I don't say America isn't a good country full of good people, I say it is a country that is overrun by liberals whose only objective is to bring America down. They are doing it otherwise there is no way in Hell anyone like Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama could even begin to reach any high office, but look at what has happened. I left in the knick of time.

In 1936 many Jews had the opportunity to leave Germany. The only catch was, they had to leave with the clothes on their back. Many did it and quite a few more stayed and went up the chimneys in the end. The borders are going to close soon in America and you won't be able to leave. Only a few of the chosen ones will have that option. Staying behind is a matter of choice. Older people and the very young will suffer terribly in the end once the real drastic changes happen up there.

When the US was after Geronimo and his band, they lived in the mountains of Mexico and Arizona. They suffered unspeakable suffering. They were starving to death when Geronimo surrendered. Absolutely it was a different time back then and I freely admit it, but to go live in any mountain range with a wife and children to feed will be a hardship that will be beyond anyone's imagination to endure. It gets cold in the winter, and the land is rugged all year around. No cars, roads or electricity and probably no proper medical help. Not many people could or would make the attempt to live off the land in such a inhospitable environment. Especially with women and kids.

Hit and run works, but it won't work all the time for everyone. They caught up to Che' Gueverra living in the mountains of Columbia, know how? Satellite photos of his stove got him. The standard of living here is way beyond Mexico or Guatemala. You can and I did for awhile live on less than $800 a month. It was quite frugal but I did it. I still had satellite TV, (I love Baseball) and I still drove my car around when I wanted to go somewhere. If you haven't been here, or you haven't lived here for longer than a tourist visit, then you don't understand.

I got out while I could, and although I miss the states at times, I don't miss the compulsory insurance forced down my throat, the traffic cops always trying to score a buck, the taxes that are a ball buster most of the time, and the bureaucrats always trying to control your every move. What I wanted most of all when I left the States was Freedom. I didn't have freedom while I was there. The people up there have gone over the edge enforcing nonsensical laws on everyone else. It is either all about money or it is all about making more money.

A good friend of mine had his grandmother come to live with him because when her husband was alive he made a good living being a medical doctor. When he died his widow lived on and outlived his savings and stocks. Most of it went toward paying property taxes. A tax man came to her and wanted to know why she wasn't paying her property taxes and she told him on Social Security there was nothing left month to month. He told her to sell the house or the state would sell it for her, but one way or the other the state was going to get their money. That doesn't happen here.

Each of us has to make the choices that we are most comfortable with. I chose to leave because it was no longer the same country I grew up in. The country wasn't going to change and neither was I so I left and have considered it one of the best things I have ever done in all my life. I don't expect everyone to understand, and I don't care if anyone does care or understand why I did it. I did and that's that. I've never been happier. A person with a full stomach cannot understand the misery of one who is starving. It just will not compute. There are planeloads of people coming down here to live every day. Most of then don't leave. It takes about a year to get residency but once you get it, you have all of the rights a Costa Rican has except you can't vote. The people are leaving the states by the droves. There must be alot of reasons they are coming and don't want to go back. They are young and old and they are coming here to stay because up there, either in Canada or the States something is wrong. I figured it out ten years ago it just took alot more people longer to do.
"Qui non intelligit aut discat aut taceat"

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Caseyboy
 

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HippySurvivalist,

You are one of the reasons America is broken today. You and people like you are living in a time when payback is going to come and visit your house or rather the van you live in.
Have a nice day and may an elephant caress you with his toes.
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I was wondering if you wrote the post yourself--I'm still wondering! It was a very effective essay, and I'm wondering if you wrote it or if you found it somewhere. If you wrote it, congrats! I disagree with the messgaes you're trying to send, but still appreciate how much work you put into the post.

As for your life in Central America, good for you! I have no hard feelings about you leaving the US. Be free, and do as you wish.

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HippySurvivalist,

I always write what I post, in the event I didn't write it I always give credit to the author if I know who that is. I.E., the post about the Revolutionary War Soldier that came to a person in a dream. I didn't know who wrote it and I said so, but I posted it because I liked the message it entailed.

I also wrote the book about Avalon that I was posting on this forum formally and has achieved over 5,000 hits.

Yes I do like Costa Rica. I found what I didn't know I had lost once I was here awhile, it's called Freedom. I can do almost anything I want to do within reason and as long as I don't do harm to others nobody bothers me. Up there it was a constant cluster F**k of rules and regulations and preferential treatment for many who never did anything to earn any preferences, they were just born there or were smuggled in. When my grandparents came from Europe at the turn of the last century they came to America in search of freedom, that has since been lost to the average American through feel good laws and through nefarious means. For me enough was enough.

Last thing I will tell you, I have seen Civil War in other countries, and the last thing I wanted to do was be in one in my own country against my own people. I believe it will come to another Civil War to right the wrongs that have happened to the people of America by her own people. I also did not want my wife to have to experience the ugliness of war in America. I had my war, and I'll tell you this-War is as ugly as it gets for human beings. When you're finally removed from the violence and mayhem it leaves a dent in your mind that stays there for the rest of your life. There isn't a single day that passes by I don't find myself back in Vietnam in my thoughts and it seems like it just happened five minutes ago. I left there in August of 1968 for the last time.

All social change that happens anywhere in the world is usually and I would have to say most probably achieved through bloody violence. You can go back to the Civil unrest in the South during the sixties to get some idea. The mass protests against the Vietnam war is another. It goes on and on, Bloody and violent.

Have a nice day.
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Caseyboy,

If you will, would you mind posting a side-by-side comparison of the Costa Rican civil liberties, freedoms and standard of living with the USA? Please include median income, percentage below poverty line, infant mortality and life expectancy.
 

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Highlander,

I don't have access to that sort of data unless I go surfing on the net, but I do know Costa Ricans outlive Americans by several years, they have less stress related diseases such as heart attacks and strokes. Their incidences of diabetes is considerably lower as well. Their family orientation and closeness is much higher as well than Americans. Some of them actually get sick if they are removed from their families over prolonged time frames.

They have no Army, Navy Air Force, or Coast Guard. In 1948 they disbanded their military and put the funds they use to spend on the military into hospitals and Universities.

They have the longest established and running Constitutional Government in all of South and Central America. Their politicians are elected by popular vote every four years, and trials are done by a tribunals of three judges. Their laws are based on Napoleonic Law not Western methods.

Land here is cheap but the prices have been driven up by American, European and Canadians who have come here and manipulated the market, but there are still deals to be had. My taxes are $200 a year and have not increased in 10 years on an acre of land.

As long as you don't get in anyone's face about petty stuff nobody will bother you. I can carry concealed but you need a license which means you have to spend a couple of days in a classroom and then at the range to show you can shoot. You also must be interviewed by a certified psychologist and present a letter from him as to your frame of mind. You can own firearms legally. You can shoot almost anywhere. I often here rock and roll shooting here and there although it is illegal to have full automatic weapons.

If you get a traffic ticket it does not go against your license to carry over to higher premiums on your insurance. Most tickets are $5. My health insurance is $22 a month and that includes everything you can think about or mention. No questions asked about prior conditions, your covered. You do have to be a resident however to qualify for the insurance benefits. You can own land and you don't have to be a resident for that.

I can go to the local Farmer's Markets and buy vegetables. I can usually buy a large sack full for less than $5. Most of the time some of it spoils before we can eat it all. I can go to the ocean and get sea food cheap. I haven't been to the ocean lately because the price of gas is a little high right now. I think about $4 a gallon.

You can hunt if you want to and you can go just about anywhere in the country, there are no restricted sites or military instalations. The roads are good but sometimes right after the rainy season, (May through November) they take quite a beating. The water is great and you can drink it anywhere and you won't get sick from it. Most homes in the country have septics and the cities have city sewage. The electricity runs me about $75a month, I don't need a heating system year around. Phone is about $20 a month and my cell phones (2) are about $8 a month. I have satellite TV and pay about $35 a month for it. My water bill is about $2 a month and trash pickup is $8 a month. My car insurance is $40 every six month. I pay about $150 a week for groceries but that varies from week to week depending on what I get. My internet service is $14 a month.

The beaucracy just about anywhere you go in the country is frustrating and time consuming, but I just take a book along, a sandwich and drink and wait it out. Taxes are roughly 13% on anything you buy. The national sport is evading paying taxes.

There's more, but that will give you more than some of the forums down here. They are usually controlled by realtors and won't allow you to say anything negative about Costa Rica.

Regards,
Caseyboy
 

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Source: CIA world factbook.

Economy - overview:
Costa Rica's basically stable economy depends on tourism, agriculture, and electronics exports. Poverty has remained around 20% for nearly 20 years, and the strong social safety net that had been put into place by the government has eroded due to increased financial constraints on government expenditures. Immigration from Nicaragua has increasingly become a concern for the government. The estimated 300,000-500,000 Nicaraguans estimated to be in Costa Rica legally and illegally are an important source of (mostly unskilled) labor, but also place heavy demands on the social welfare system. Foreign investors remain attracted by the country's political stability and high education levels, as well as the fiscal incentives offered in the free-trade zones. Exports have become more diversified in the past 10 years due to the growth of the high-tech manufacturing sector, which is dominated by the microprocessor industry. Tourism continues to bring in foreign exchange, as Costa Rica's impressive biodiversity makes it a key destination for ecotourism. The government continues to grapple with its large internal and external deficits and sizable internal debt. Reducing inflation remains a difficult problem because of rising import prices, labor market rigidities, and fiscal deficits. Tax and public expenditure reforms will be necessary to close the budget gap. In October 2007, a national referendum voted in favor of the US-Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

Wow. Sounds a lot like the US.

Costa Rica/ USA
media age: 27.1/36.7
life expectancy 77.4 years/78.14
Infant mortality: 9.01 of 1000 live births/6.3 of 1000 live births
HIV prevalance- .6%/.6%
Infectious disease risk in CR: intermediate (food/waterborne illness-diahrrea, hepatitis A, Dengue fever
unemployment rate--4.6% (2007)/4.6% (2007)
GDP per capita-$11,100/ $45,800
currency exchange (colognes/dollars)--519.53
Poverty is around 20% for 20 years./Poverty in US 12%
currently CR is a tier 2 watch for human trafficking
consumer inflation rate 9.4% vs US @2.9%

Coming from America, you probably have a higher standard of living that many native Costa Ricans. Enjoy it while you can. In 2007, Costa Rica received 29.5 million in economic aid (most of the economy is agricultural, tourism and service oriented) wheras the USA DONATED 23.5 Billion in forigen economic aid.
 

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You got to type your Essay on thi,s I think that speaks for it self. We are free, in other countries like Iran, China, and North Korea good luck with trying to express freedoms that we enjoy.
 

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Freedom - not real-why? if you have a job and are committed to it. you are owned by that job because you want to make money ..but to make money you must use your time to do that ...if you choose not to work then you do not make money but have time- but without money in this society you are not able to enjoy that freedom and it is like being without freedom..hence there is no real freedom..unless you are a survivalist...
 

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there is only one answer to what is taking place right now. and that is divine or natural law. everything else is fallacy or illusions. thus lawyers deal with legalities, not laws. you will not find anything on Canada written as "law" since it cannot be done. thus what has been created are "acts" statutes" and "codes" and thers are literal. meaning, they are not laws simply "a "code" to live by, or an "act" or "pretending" or statute- which deals in legalities as well and not law. to create something that is enforceable by violence or threat of it, is called coercion(using force to get you to obey a state made legality). it in and of itself illegal, but a state has conferred "better" rights to others,(cops, military etc.)which somehow gives them the "right" to usurp your rights!...they decide how to distribute these illusory rights. No right can be taken and made into a "condition" by anyone. that would be like saying- " I can now walk into your home, and by decree, sya it is now mine" It would be the same as saying, I shall now own all the air, and everyone will pay me to breathe it. but it is happening, you now pay for water. something necessary to live...where are your rights to live then? that is called slavery. in fact it is imprisonment.
 
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