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Assuming you can own and have the resources to own the best firearms (ARs, AKs, top tier handguns, shotguns, etc.), is a good sword a relevant self defense tool/weapon?

I now have many nice useful swords, and was handling and admiring them the other day and wondered if there's any situation where I would take a katana with me ...

In other words, is there any realistic setting in which you'd grab your longsword or katana in lieu of or in addition to your AR/AK/shotgun/pistol for any scenario where you had to defend yourself?
 

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Not unless / until the legal system totally collapses.

Lugging a sword around would show plenty of intent that your opponent's atty would use to skewer you.
 

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Texas HB 1935 Bottom Line

The new law was effective on September 1st, 2017. The following is a summary of the new law with respect to carry of knives. Read the actual bill here: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/85R/billtext/pdf/HB01935F.pdf

All “illegal knives” (Penal Code Sec. 46.01(6)) that were previously prohibited to carry (Penal Code Sec. 46.02) will be removed from Texas statute: This list includes: knives with blades longer than 5.5 inches, hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown, daggers, dirks, stilettos, poniards, swords, spears and Bowie knives.

NOTE: Knives that incorporate “knuckles” as part of the handle (Penal Code Sec. 46.01(8)), such as the iconic Model 1918 WWI Trench Knife and similar, remain illegal to possess in Texas (Penal Code Sec. 46.05(2)).

NOTE: Tomahawks remain classified as “clubs” (Penal Code Sec. 46.01(1)(D)) that are still illegal to carry (Penal Code Sec. 46.02) in Texas.

BOTTOM LINE Summary: Any adult can carry any knife legal to possess anywhere as long as it is not over five and a half (5.5) inches. You can carry longer knives almost everywhere, except as noted below. There is no separate rule for concealed carry, you may carry open or concealed, however you want. There is no limit on the number of knives you can carry.

After the fatal stabbing on the University of Texas Austin campus threatened to sink the “illegal knives” repeal entirely, a compromise was made to create a new category of knives called “location restricted” knives that only applies to knives with blades over 5.5″. Based on Texas judicial precedent, blade length is measured in a straight line from the most forward part of the handle (or where that would normally be if there is no added handle to the tang of the knife) to the point of the blade.

Knife Rights will be back in Texas in 2019 to address these remaining restrictions.

BOTTOM LINE Location Restricted Knives (those with blades over 5.5″), including swords and spears,cannot be carried in the following locations:

Schools and on any passenger transportation vehicle of a school

Polling Places

Courthouses

Airports past Security Screening (all knives are already prohibited by TSA)

Racetracks

Within 1,000 feet of the premises where an Execution is being conducted, if posted

Establishments (bars/restaurants) that derive 51% or more of their income from alcohol sales and which have a RED 51% sign posted (see right)

Sporting Events (high school, collegiate or professional sporting event or interscholastic sporting event)

Correctional Facilities

Hospitals

Nursing Homes

Mental Hospitals

Amusement Parks

Churches, Synagogues and Established Places of Worship.

The penalty for carry of a location restricted knife in a prohibited location is a Class C Misdemeanor except for Schools where it is 3rd-degree Felony

MINORS & Location Restricted Knives (under 18 years of age):

You cannot sell, rent, lease, loan, or give a location restricted knife (or offer to do any of those things) to anyone under 18 years old without their parent’s written permission (for selling) or effective consent (for anything besides selling). The penalty is a Class A Misdemeanor.

If you’re under 18, you may not carry a location restricted knife outside of your home, property or a motor vehicle/watercraft owned by you and under your control (or directly enroute to the motor vehicle or watercraft), unless you’re under a parent or legal guardian’s direct supervision. The penalty is a Class C Misdemeanor.

We Will Be Back!

In 2013 Knife Rights’ repeal of Texas’ switchblade ban was enacted. In 2015 we got Knife Law Preemption enacted, removing all local knife ordinances more restrictive than Texas state law. Now in 2017 we have removed all of the “illegal knives” in Texas law, finally allowing Texans the right to carry a Bowie knife, dagger and virtually any other knife. But, we are not yet finished. We will be back in two years to see about striking those last remaining minor knife restrictions in Texas. We won’t stop until Texas is a free as everyone thinks Texas is.
 

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Assuming you can own and have the resources to own the best firearms (ARs, AKs, top tier handguns, shotguns, etc.), is a good sword a relevant self defense tool/weapon?
I prefer the multi-purpose benefits of a Kukri myself. However, the benefits of bladed weapons over fire arms is that they do not require bullets to work.

I have found blunt objects, like a bat or prybar are more effective than bladed weapons. Same advantage over fire arms.
 

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A cane can be in your hand all the time without being accused of brandishing.
A cane is a multi function tool. It can help you walk, prevent slips and falls, reach stuff that is otherwise too high up or far away.
And a cane gives you several defensive options ranging from keeping someone at a distance from you, to giving them pain, to injuring them severely.

It is common, it is grey man, it is protected by the americans with disabilities act.

Don't get one with a sword hidden in it or some other stupid thing that you will have trouble explaining to a judge if you have to defend yourself with it.

Carrying a katana around opens you up to so many problems, it is not even funny.
And you certainly can't carry it in your hand, so when you need it, you need to pull it from the sheath. Time delay.
And it is a 1 trick pony. Which makes a premeditated murder accusation far easier than would otherwise be the case.
 

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I have 3 real swords (civil war saber, Russian Calvary Saber, and some sort of WWI Spanish sword) and none of them really appeal to me for self defense. I tried using the Russian saber on a bale of insulation and it did not seem great.
Maybe if I sharpened the blade it would be better but I don't want to decrease its value.

I would rather have and ax, tomahawk, or a spear. All of which are impractical in an everyday scenario. Also limited use considering all the ammo out there. Would take decades to use it all.
 

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All weapons have their place. While I could not personally see myself using one since I doubt I would be able to master it, a sword will not stop working if it's pouring rain or gets dropped in the mud or stepped on. A sword cannot misfire and will not run out of ammo. Most importantly imo, a sword is completely silent. That being said, I would probably stab myself 2 or 3 times before I landed a hit on anyone else. Imagine this scenario: you are in the forest and a very ahtletic looking and confident man suprises you before you get a change to pull your gun. He is standing with a sword in what looks like a very capable and meancing pose. I am guessing anyone would be cautious and leave if given the chance.
 

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As long as you have lots of ammo and guns than no...... But 5-10 years into a full blown collapse when 99% of everyone is out of ammo, I think a sword Made from some good steel would be very relevant.

So for just that reason I keep a very sturdy high carbon spring steel sword on hand.

Also, If you only have a .22 or a single pistol then you may as well carry a good sword too during SHTF.
 

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There are limited situations where a sword can be useful! I had a “decorative” saber gracing my dorm room at university years ago!

Was very useful a couple times! One guy who is still in the state pen for murder a few months later cooled down quick when looking at the sharp and pointy end or a sword.

Two ghetto boys though it humorous to pull blades on me, but I raised their 4 inch blades with 36 inches of steel kissing the front runners Adam’s apple which reset their plans for the evening!

I wish I was much better with one, but they’ve helped me out of trouble a few times and I could happily fall asleep with one close at hand again!

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They're as effective as they ever were, especially in the hands of someone trained to use one.

But (just like bows, spears, battle axes, maces, and pole arms) they're not really relevant because they are generally not wearable in modern society. Impractical in public due to both legal proscriptions and being generally out-ranged by handguns... which require less skill to effectively employ.

The one place where they remain practical is in the home. The only likely location where you might have routinely quick access to one. That said...

There's a razor sharp battle-ready Mainz Gladius that serves sentry duty in my bedroom. Chosen specifically for it's actual cutting ability, sturdy handiness, and utility at close quarters. With low ceilings and standard width hallways and staircases, it's the right size.

Just in case there's a Viking raid.

It's a Last Best Move kinda thing.
 
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Interesting about legal worries....I guess some people live in pretty restrictive states.

I carried a 36" broadsword in public for years while I was taking a break from guns without issue as this is an open carry state.

And of course, when I carry a gun, which is almost always now, I do so openly too.


But no, I would never pick one over a gun all things being equal. Although I wish we lived in a world with no guns where a sword was the premier weapon, that is not the world we live in. They are only relevant if required to be so by a belief system you have adopted.

One thing major issue is just how much practice it takes to get good with a sword, and how much continuous practice it takes to stay good with sword. I spent ten years practicing six to eight hours a week, and when I would take a just a month off I could notice a marked decrease in my skill that I had to make up for.
 

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They are relevant. They just aren’t that useful nor practical in most real world social scenarios.

If we manage to use up all the ammunition, powder, primers and cases on the planet, that will change. But not one of us will still be alive by that point.
 

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They are relevant. They just aren’t that useful nor practical in most real world social scenarios.

If we manage to use up all the ammunition, powder, primers and cases on the planet, that will change. But not one of us will still be alive by that point.
I do think if all ammo production stopped today it would be a least a generation before the ammo supply dwindled enough to make swords relevant again.

And most likely, by then new made ammo would probably come back, even if it was black powder based.
 
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