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Archery and SHTF- the straight facts.

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#1 ·
A previous thread posed the question as to whether a bow of some kind and the related accessories were necessary for rural SHTF. Since I was a traditional archer for almost 20 years- with some experience with compound bows running concurrently- I thought I was reasonably equipped to explain the pros and cons.

I feel I should elaborate more here. To be blunt, I do not think that a bow is a necessity. At the same time, I think that it is a good idea for many.

A traditional bow is a reliable and low-maintenance weapon, and, with the appropriate draw weight (40 pounds or greater), it is a powerful weapon as well, and can take every manner of game, from squirrels to elephants.

At the same time, it is an expensive weapon, requiring expensive ammunition, and is hard to learn (and even harder to master). Thinking about making your own arrows? Fletching your own is not hard to do, but it still doesn't make it cheap. Literally MAKING your own requires an entirely new set of skills and materials that you might not have access to in a SHTF situation.

I write this for all non-archers who are asking this question. Unless you want to learn archery as a hobby, do not bother with it for SHTF. If you are looking into archery with survival in mind, save your money or put it toward something else, like more ammo or other equipment. Don't **** away hundreds on a bow, another hundred on a quiver, and another hundred (or more) on arrows. It's not worth it. If you want to get into traditional archery as a hobby and out of genuine interest, feel free to PM me for tips.

NOW. With that out of the way, I want to say this. If you are an accomplished archer and you want to use your bow for SHTF (presumably in addition to other weapons), go right ahead. You already have the equipment, and, more importantly, the experience behind it. If/when you run out of arrows and don't have the materials to make more, you will have other options to use. How your bow fits into your plan is up to you, and I am sure you can engineer a way for it to give you an advantage.

I think that slingbows are a good replacement. You can take bigger game with them, in the same fashion as a bow, using arrows, without many of the downsides of bows. For instance, slingbows are cheaper, and slingshot bands are not as intricate and fine-tuned as bowstrings are, and are also cheaper, allowing you to stock up easier. I think the biggest advantage over a bow is their size: a slingbow is not a 5-foot tall (and $500...) piece of wood or fiberglass.

Right now, I'm looking at A+ Slingshots (I believe the owner is/was a member here). Their X-factor model allows you to have both a slingshot and a slingbow in one, for 1/4 or 1/5 the price of a bow.

Long story short- it is not unreasonable for a traditional archer to want to use their hard-earned skills in a SHTF situation.

Everybody else- don't do it.
 
#2 ·
I'll agree w/ u on don't start using trad archery equipment for shtf purposes only, but if you can get family involved in archer wether it trad or modern by all means do, it's a great thing for the family to do and if it works out so you become proficient w/ it so much the better. Idk about trad archery but I do know that for the beginner you can go to your local bow shop find your draw length and walk out set up for prolly around $300 bow, sights, quiver, stab, rest, string silencers, release, and field tips. It won't be a Mathews but it'll be a starting point.
 
#5 ·
In my area a bow is going to be something that will be extremely valuable, we have tons of woods, and tons of deer, the one thing people never really bring up about guns is this, a gun if your using in the woods will eventually get extremely dirty, unless the bolt is nickel boron coated you will have to strip it and clean it, and cleaning supplies in shtf will be extremely limited, a bow doesnt need this, thats something to think about
 
#7 ·
So let me understand this, it will be easier and cheaper to buy and store 5-6 different caliber of bullets, enough to last say for 10 years, then the reloading supplies to reuse that 10 yr. supply for another 20 yrs., then after all those casings cannot be reused anymore then I will have to have a foundry and machine shop to make new brass casings and be able to formulate new powder for the bullets, and a lead mine to make the bullets from, or should I just buy enough to last for a hundred years and hope my descendants will be able to figure something out. Because when TSHTF you want be going to the local sporting goods store again for 50-100 yrs. or more, if ever.

Compared to a $400 Long Bow, $5000, in aluminum arrows, $2000 in broad heads, $200-300 for classes on how to make bows, arrows, and to knap flints, and about $200 to plant the trees that I will need to make the bows and arrows from.

Yeah I can see where the archery thing would be to hard and expensive
 
#8 ·
I dont understand all the black magic associated with archery. Sure, you can blow a ton of cash on tackle, but you dont have to. as far as knapping stuff go's, many of the people who are experts on the topic learned from books. I have found these same books in the "free" box at the library. Sane for making bows. Just about every archery club will have a member who makes their own. They would likely be glad to get you going for a six pack of beer if nkt for free. Its best not to be put off a topic by experts on message boards and just go see for ones self. You might find it works better then you figured it would.
 
#9 ·
yeah and I was watching this show.. I think it was a documentary (presses the joking button) it was called "Arrow"...see there's this guy who was stranded on an island for a couple years and now he is back home in the big city taking out all the bad guys and even though they have professionally armed mercs with full auto weapons he is able to do flying back flips in mid air, and take them out with one shot from his bow...while 1,483 rounds of lead all manage to miss him completely.

made me want to go out n buy a bow..yeah baby!!


no, it's not a must have, but it's a sport i enjoy and a tool I'd value as an option should I ever need it...and yes, lest you think I'm bad mouthing archery.. I do own and regularly shoot both compounds and some old favorite recurves dating back to the 70s.
 
#10 ·
The sarcasm aside, one should look at archery as a fun hobby first in my opinion. It has allot going for it. You dont have to be super fit, you dont have to devote hours and hours to practice, you can do shoot in games in your back yard in the 'burbs, and you open your hunting oppertunitys waaaaaay up. Over the 4th I was able to shoot 3 pigs in an urban area where discharging a fire arm would land one in jail. Not a must have, but a valid consideration at least.
 
#11 ·
Bows and arrows became obsolete as military self defence weapons as soon as the first ancient gun was developed some 600 years ago.

Aside from Rambo shooting explosive tipped arrows at his foes, no other military or police force in the world uses them as standard equipment.

A good shooter with handgun can draw his weapon, and shoot 2 people with 2 rounds each in 2 seconds.

If you don't like the noise of guns---get a silencer.

Bows in almost any TEOTWAWKO senario are unreasonable.
 
#13 ·
You still do not get my point. Ammunition will not last for ever and unless you have the means of manufacturing more, eventually "you will run out".

After America dropped the A-Bomb on Japan in WWII someone asked the greatest mind of that time Albert Einstein if WWIII would be fought with nuclear weapons, he said "I do not know, but WWIIII will be fought with clubs and stones"
 
#14 ·
I think All Outdoors pretty much summed up my thoughts on using either a Bow and Arrow or Crossbow for self defense:


"Then there’s fact that, unless you really score a direct hit on the target’s heart or lungs, the target is likely to make a ton of noise after being hit. And if that target is armed with a gun, they could very well stay alive long enough to get off a few shots in your direction. Now you’ve given away your location and your hostile intent to a wounded and very angry aggressor whose sole purpose in life is now taking you with them to the hereafter."

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/12/03/crossbows-viable-shtf-option/

Imagine that wounded aggressor aint going to stay quiet. He's going to be SCREAMING for his buddies to help him and get you.
 
#26 ·
I think All Outdoors pretty much summed up my thoughts on using either a Bow and Arrow or Crossbow for self defense:


"Then there’s fact that, unless you really score a direct hit on the target’s heart or lungs, the target is likely to make a ton of noise after being hit. And if that target is armed with a gun, they could very well stay alive long enough to get off a few shots in your direction. Now you’ve given away your location and your hostile intent to a wounded and very angry aggressor whose sole purpose in life is now taking you with them to the hereafter."

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/12/03/crossbows-viable-shtf-option/

Imagine that wounded aggressor aint going to stay quiet. He's going to be SCREAMING for his buddies to help him and get you.

I have heard that if you put a broadhead into his kidney , he will die without a sound .

just sayin
 
#19 ·
The archery threads here are the LEAST informative and useful on this site, as pertaining to survivalism, when they should be one of the most valuable. A few fine, enthusiastic archers who love all aspects of the art, countered by several blowhards who love reminding everyone of their 40 year-long pedigree in archery who make one leave the discussion with a bad taste in their mouth.

Better for any budding archers, and even the few fine enthusiasts here, to go to one of the dedicated archery forums, where they can get some good, solid information, sans all the pontificating bull**** seen here.
 
#23 ·
hey Groot..yes, all sarcasm...for fun...from my end.. I am an avid archery guy...

I bow fish for flounder on the coast (gigging license covers this)
I don't currently hunt, still have the tree stand out in our back acreage but I can support a bow for hunting particularly , like you've pointed out, when quiet is important..my bud across the street takes his limit each season from his backyard stand and you'd never know it....as opposed to the rednecks down the road that take after-dark oppty shots when the deer walk through the back yards...big 308 going off at 10pm...and you know what just happened.

as for self defense?...a bow is probably the last thing i'd grab in my house in the dark.. if no gun or quiet is needed I'm much more likely to grab my short sword...but on my property...from a tree position in camo at night..an intruder making their way through my woods...i'd own him.

that said, me and my kids all enjoy target archery on my backyard range..both recurve and compounds can be found out there on any given weekend.
 
#24 ·
Im an apartment dweller so its a baseball bat for me as far as castle defense go's . And the .308 at 10AM I can relate to. The place I hunt now was closed to hunters for that very reason for years. That and no shoot in allowed in the area now since its more populated.
 
#25 ·
Well I agree with Junglecrawler the archery threads here are chocked full of naysaying.

I dont know how many times firearms are brought into the conversations. It has been pointed out numerous times that most folks that have a bow will probably be packing a gun also.

I feel that archery threads should be about Archery. Learning and sharing about Archery. There is a big section on firearms, I go there when I want to learn or share info on firearms.
 
#28 ·
Yes, things like making strings, arrows as well as all the quivers tabs arm guards and so on. This archery thing really isnt so hard. Its so easy a cave man could do it. Matter of fact, th did do it. It always amazes me hi so many people go on about the cost of archery in Tim and money. Sure, you can blow a whole stack on your tackle, but you wont get anything more then you would had you been frugal.
 
#34 ·
actually when I wrote "I have heard that if you put a broadhead into his kidney , he will die without a sound ."

I paraphrased a bit to make it appropriate for an archery thread .
Originally it was not about 100 yards .. nor was it about archery, it was a little trick I learned in the military 50 years ago ,,, for using a knife..
 
#29 ·
All of us have crossbows. This just makes sense for silent running. The main reason is you are going to see game out trapping and fishing. If you pull the trigger busting a primer and ring the dinner bell, everyone knows you have something and where. They also figured out your highly disguised trap line, weir, trot lines etc, are there as well, when they come to poke around, and they wont be there when you come back.
 
#30 ·
I have for a long time now, killed game every year with bows I have made myself. The last two years, I killed 7 deer with a bow I made 10 years ago. I can get extra doe tags in my area. Bow making and bow hunting are skills that need years to develop. I have enough bow wood and arrow makings to last me a life time. My bows are for food not self defense.

I have never learned anything worth while about bow making or bow hunting on these SB threads.
 
#36 ·
grootthewanderer said it all when he said "Yup. And even just go and give it a try"

the way to decide if archery is suitable for self defense and other such questions is to try it and make your own decision

and yea, you can spend a fortune,, you can spend enough to buy a high quality AR ...
but you also can get a 20# bow for $40 and some cheap arrows and find out if you can shoot the thing accurately

if so , you can just extrapolate the extra range and power of a 40, 50 or 60 # bow,, and give some thought as to whether or not to step up to a serious bow.

the debate about bows of any sort, vs firearms is a no brainer, and I am amazed that anyone wastes a minute discussing it,,,
a motorcycle is not a truck and a truck is not a motorcycle
 
#38 ·
I would never argue for a bow over a fire arm for self defense. I would however say that a bow should be a serious consideration for any survival situation where one would have to have as many ways to gather meat as possible. I will also say that a 30# or 40# is indeed a serious weight. You do not need a seventy pound bow to hunt. 35 will do.
 
#37 ·
I suppose a bow is legitimate in some cases but I don't think sitting in a tree stand waiting for half a day is going to be viable for most... I've met very few people who stalk deer with a bow..

Also if you are talking about shtf do you really think the authorities are going to come knocking on your door if a gunshot is heard, I mean some people are talking about 20 year scenarios. ... I do agree with the idea you gotta worry about people hearing you, but that's what suppression is for and it can be difficult to locate a person by a single shot. . I think some of this is over blown...

I shoot both gun and bow, but prefer the range the gun gives me... I do agree that a direct comparison is fairly futile. ..
 
#41 ·
in Shtf yes on 35 and 40,, but for use prior to that, most states have a 45 # minimum for deer , some states say 40,, most archery magazine writers will agree on 40

another use of the bow in survival situations is bowfishing,,, around here we have lots of suckers,, and carp... one arrow into a 30 pound carp is (if you like the flesh) going to get you as much food as hours or days fishing to get 10 to 20 bass,, or 50 trout or 100s of Bluegills


another thing pre SHTF is Archery in NYS has its own longer hunting season and is permitted in areas too congested or WMAs too small in acreage to permit firearm use
 
#49 ·
I know what the Wardens need, I just dont see them setting up a chrono and a target to check. A weight scale maybe.

Here they get you quick for not tagging asap or illegal buck. Legal bucks are minimum 3 point rule for the State.
 
#58 ·
I draw the line on certain areas of archery. Using a bow with less then 45 pounds for me is not enough unless it is a modern compound which gets its speed from cams not completely just the limbs. I used a 45 pound Bear 76er take down recurve when I first started. Most of you read the story. It barely got enough penetration to kill a small doe using an aluminum arrow. I would not trust anything less and would surely want at least a little more in a recurve or long bow, self bow etc. I think most here would agree that 50 to 70 pounds is best in non compound bows for Deer and other mid size game.

This is however a survival forum not an archery forum or to be exact this is an archery forum on a survival site. Unlike Jungle crawler I have seen a lot of good information on this sub forum. Seekers list of Bowyers is pretty good and there have been many spirited debates. I am a nay sayer when it comes to field expedient bows and arrows but not to those who are learning the craft of building bows and arrows. I just dont want anyone to be fooled by the rip off artists selling how to books claiming you can run out into the woods with some cordage and a knife and make a bow that will feed you before you starve. With proper tools, time and experience you can do this. I have always said do it now. Start making the stuff now.

I have modern crossbows and if shtf will use them until the bolts are all broken, lost or non functional. I stocked enough ammo for my guns to last three lifetimes. To do this with archery equipment would have cost me many times what I paid for ammo for my guns. My bolts are 24 dollars for 3. I got 500 rounds for my .22 for 19.99 then I bought 20 bricks for that price. Say what you want about this fact but it is a fact. the .22 rifle is best all around survival weapon on the planet. This thread has talked about needing cleaning supplies and oil. This stuff lasts forever. I have more then I need and even stock some for barter.

Now to counter what I just said , a guy like Scott Moore who has mastered the art of arrow making and flint knapping AND Bow making AND LIVES IN an area where these materials are close to him can live off his primitive bows and arrows because he is doing it now. I urge any of you who are taking this course to get going now. Get materials, knowledge and develop the skills quickly. I for one dont like the condition of the world right now. Dont get caught without a plan. Dont base your life on an idea base it on what you CAN DO , not what you think you can do.

Archery is a great tool in any situation . All the points of quiet kills are right on target. My crossbows will be the first deer harvesting tools to be used as I dont want people from long distances to hear gun shots. I have enough archery equipment to last several years. Ill save my guns for the long haul and for defense. When a crossbow breaks it can be pretty nasty. I know my old Bear compound lasted 20 years with only one string change. It was working great when I sold it on this very forum. That is a pretty good record if you ask me. Bear Whitetail II 65 pound compound bow. 20 years with only one string change. That came after 15 years of shooting it a lot. Keep your strings waxed and oil where needed. I dont expect my cross bows to last that long. KF