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Had a friend send me these pics. He bought this from an online dealer and then he found this ammo at WalMart.

Palmetto has this gun for-sale, today for $329.

His comment was.....

"This is an awesome choice when 556 and 762 and 308 can't be found anywhere. Shotgun ammo is available everywhere. After 100 rounds, it was cycling like butter."

I think I am coming around to his thinking!!!!






 

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I’m a saiga 12 fan myself, but you can’t find them for $329.
 

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They're cheap garbage. If they're for range fun, by all means, have at it. For a actual defensive firearm, I'd rather have a old double. At least they're dependable. These things are cobbled together in 3rd world countries from zinc and pot metal. The mags are crap, the actions sloppy. Guys buy them, run a couple boxes through them, and declare they are well made. This is the gun that will run.....ok, until you really need it. Don't be a cheapskate. Buy quality made firearms.

Not to be more of a buzz kill, but steel shot is not a good idea. It's inferior to lead in every way, and will likely wreck that crap tier barrel.
 

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Had a friend send me these pics. ..."This is an awesome choice when 556 and 762 and 308 can't be found anywhere. "
Well... The "reasons" to get something like this, are Not the same reasons to get something chambered in Those ^ (Ergo: those are obviously a much Farther 'reach out and touch some scum', etc) but that said, indeed, they are pretty solid..

..Friend of mine out of State got this pup: https://palmettostatearmory.com/escort-sdx12-18-semi-auto-12-gauge-shotgun-3-blk-hesd12180301.html ...And, while it looks kinda 'goofy', a) it's the Same 'Turkish Core' as the one you pictured (most of the non-Saiga's seem to be..) thus, similar performance after 'break-in', and b) the '2-rounder in the stock' Could just be a 'life-saver', if you run dry, otherwise..

To each, his own, but.. Seems like a pretty viable Option, for what it Is.. :cool: Fwiw..

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They're cheap garbage...
Sooo, how many do You Own / have you Shot sufficient rds thru to assert this? Just curious.. :unsure:

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Well... The "reasons" to get something like this, are Not the same reasons to get something chambered in Those ^ (Ergo: those are obviously a much Farther 'reach out and touch some scum', etc) but that said, indeed, they are pretty solid..

..Friend of mine out of State got this pup: https://palmettostatearmory.com/escort-sdx12-18-semi-auto-12-gauge-shotgun-3-blk-hesd12180301.html ...And, while it looks kinda 'goofy', a) it's the Same 'Turkish Core' as the one you pictured (most of the non-Saiga's seem to be..) thus, similar performance after 'break-in', and b) the '2-rounder in the stock' Could just be a 'life-saver', if you run dry, otherwise..

To each, his own, but.. Seems like a pretty viable Option, for what it Is.. :cool:Fwiw..

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Sooo, how many do You Own / have you Shot sufficient rds thru to assert this? Just curious.. :unsure:

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I'm curious about that myself giving he recommends a dang double barrel and not even a Mossy or Winchester pump
 

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Just got one, went through 250 rounds 00 buck and 250 rounds of field loads the first week. After the first magazine, not a single hiccup.
Man these things are a "blast" to shoot!
Added a vertical grip to the front cuz that's the only way I can hold the muzzle down rapid firing. It's a beast!!
To be honest, I put my Rem 870 back in the safe and have this hanging on my wall above my AR. Dunno how long it will hold up, but I'll worry about it when it starts being problematic.
Can't recommend the VR60 enough, although I would like the VR 80 as it uses standard AR grips and stocks and the forend is aluminum, not plastic. Through the end of September RIA is offering a rebate in the form of four (4) magazines that each hold 9 rounds. The 19 round mags are ridiculous looking, IMO. The 20 round drum has great reviews.
That ammo looks great, and that shotgun has a 3" chamber but the magazines only fit 2&3/4 shells.
 

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And people are so hell bent on election that birdshot is for the birds and NOT for self Defense. I'd much rather be missed by a #8 shot, then to get tagged in the face with a load of BB's! But what the hell do I know? Just sayin
I don't think anyone would want to be shot with anything. Every ammo, as well as firearm, is a compromise on some level. Power, cost, weight, recoil, size, ect, ect. Steel shot simply offers lots of downsides like price, effectiveness, and no advantages.
 

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These must have already lived their very short life as the prices have dropped and supply seems very high but still very few are buying.
Terrible product IMO.
 

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Terrible product IMO.
..To-which you are Wholly entitled, but.. Funny that, for those-whom reviews / assessments come from "IME" (vs just IMO) they usually seem to have the opposite "O".. :unsure: (at least with Some models / manuf's..)

Don't see that any 'Owners' / users are claiming these are the 'Ultimate and Only Shotty you Should Own', or any-such nonsense, but..

..again, for What they Are, at least the 'Turk-core based' models seem to have Improved greatly, and have Proven to be viable Options, to those who actually own / shoot them.. Jus sayin..

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I heavily considered an RIA (forget the model) but while ammo is available, the price per squeeze is just too high, especially since I'd have a lot more faith in my 870 to function when I needed it most. The reviews on semi-auto shotguns in general are just all over the place, from best-thing-ever to utter trash.
 

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Semi auto mag feed shotguns have their place.
At the very least, they are fun to shoot.
My belief is they should be used for HD and crowd clearing, set them up accordingly.
I don’t know anything about OP shotgun. I do know the Saiga 12 will out run anything when tuned properly. Converted, folding stock, flashlight, laser, and tromix door breach muzzle brake, and a cool fore grip, 20 round drum, that’s just off the top of my head shotgun design. They are bad ass shotguns.
 

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It looks like it would be fun to shoot and I would like to get one someday.

That being said, I am a pump action shotgun person. I used to have an 1100 and my Dad had jams out hunting a couple of times with it. I have 3 different 870's now and have never, in over 10,000 shells thru them, had a single misfire or fail to eject.
 

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..To-which you are Wholly entitled, but.. Funny that, for those-whom reviews / assessments come from "IME" (vs just IMO) they usually seem to have the opposite "O".. :unsure: (at least with Some models / manuf's..)

Don't see that any 'Owners' / users are claiming these are the 'Ultimate and Only Shotty you Should Own', or any-such nonsense, but..

..again, for What they Are, at least the 'Turk-core based' models seem to have Improved greatly, and have Proven to be viable Options, to those who actually own / shoot them.. Jus sayin..

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Thought maybe it was just me thinking the "bad" opinions came from those that don't own one. I really think I could post a $5000 gun with a $10000 optic on it and still have folks poo-pooing it.
It's a steal at less than $400 for the gun, two 5 round mags and four 9 round mags. I can dump 10 rounds into a man size target and absolutely shred it from 25 yards with very little practice using #1 buck, and I love the actual sights vs a bead.
My poverty-pony AR from PSA is my go-to gun, so obviously I'm not as "sophisticated" as some connoisseurs. If it goes bang when I want it to, I'm all good. Even got a (Gasp!!) NC Star carry handle and no-name sling on it, cuz I'm shameless.
You're absolutely right, these kinds of boom-sticks obviously aren't the one-ring-to-rule-them-all sorta gun-to-end-all-guns, but they sling lead without issues, and I took the extra $$$ I woulda spent on a Gucci-Gun and bought a bunch of ammo, which lets me actually go practice with it.
YMMV
 

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I am curious about muzzle flare from anyone having shot the AR platform.

I have the lynx 12 and love it, but the muzzle flare is horrible, takes way too long to get back on target compared to like a Remington 1100-11-87.

Been shopping muzzle brakes but haven't picked one yet. want the best but hard to tell what that really is. bench testing is different than actual shooting.
 

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My wife loves hers (12 ga) don't recall the "brand" but the muzzle flash wasn't bad at all in low light even with 3" shells (has muzzle flash hider) I've shot it some and it's a blast, functions great as well, hers the 5 round hold 3" but the aftermarket 10 rounds only handle 2 3/4" shells.

Steel shot is for when it is legally required in this household, lead buckshot out of a 12 ga is not to be taken lightly IMO
 
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