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If I cant have an m4. I don't want some knock off sport rifle. Even if it reliable.
So what are the other options? (american made only)
So what are the other options? (american made only)
AR-15 alternitives
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Does it have to be American Designed?
Besides the ACR and AR15(you could always go piston) there aren't many rifles that are fully manufactured and designed in the US.
Besides the ACR and AR15(you could always go piston) there aren't many rifles that are fully manufactured and designed in the US.
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Garande, M1A, lever action, Ruger Scout - there are a ton of options.
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don't care if its an american company, or where its designed. The way i see it, profits for american companies go over seas, profits for non american go over seas. The only thing we have a chance at keeping is the labor.
noob question here. another requirement that i think is good is not having the kind where the gasses go back to the action and dirtying it up. Would prefer the type where the gas (if its gas operated) pushes on a piston, in a way the gas does not actually get into the innards of the gun. As you can tell. im not much for knowing what im talking about.
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looking for semi auto, and something i can buy new.
although i would really like to have a Garande
although i would really like to have a Garande
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Direct impingement -AR15 system
Short stroke-ACR/SCAR/AR180
Long Stroke-AK47
While having a piston system does keep some of the Gases out of the action it is a small portion. The majority of the gasses that enter the action come through the chamber. That is with any type of semi automatic action.
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seems to me that the less gas in it you have the less carbon, and the less wear on the parts. carbon in between the parts creates friction = wear.
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Kel-Tec SU16CA, I have had no problems with mine and it would be my bug out rifle rather than either of my ARs. Make sure it is the CA version because the stock holds two 10 round mags or one 30.
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Yes but proper lubrication midigates those effects and the amount you'd have to shoot the rifle before that becomes a factor is extreme. You'd probably have multiple parts breakages by that point or maybe even have exceeded the gun's maximum service life.
Take a look at the PWS rifles. They are AR platform with a long stroke gas piston. I really like them having shot a friend's PWS guns multiple times.
Otherwise you have the Steyr AUG A3 which is mostly made in the US(not sure if it all is), FS2000(Not sure how much is made in the US), SCAR(not sure if it is wholly made in the US, Robinson Arms XCR(some love em some hate em but USA made, designed and owned), PTR91(US Made although maybe a part or two could be surplus), DS Arms(I think they might have gone over to full US production with surplus having dried up), and M1A(US Made).
For your standards on reliability maybe you should consider getting an AK built from parts or a saiga converted by someone like rifle dynamics. Most of your money will go to a US company that way.
The M1A is an excellent choice; meets your definition; it's really a lot like the Garand, but modernized with .308 and detachable magazines. The M1A is essentially the semi-auto version of the M14 that was used after the Garande and before the M16. Then there's the Ruger mini-14's- which can be different calibers- including 5.56.
Even in the AR-15/M-4 series- there's piston driven AR's- like Ruger has seven variants alone- all piston driven. I have a few of them- good rifles.. Some parts don't get lubed however. Ruger also has a 7.62x51 version- also piston driven.. Ruger stands behind their guns- from what I've heard- -for as long as you own it. American made too. I don't mind owning a Ruger- I own several- including rifles and pistols. They are solid guns and well built. With a great warranty behind it- it's never a bad deal.
I would rather own the Ruger AR's over the mini-14. I'd rather own the SR762 (someday), and the Springfield M1A is a very nice solid gun too.
My only regret is my safe queen- a .45ACP caliber carbine. It's made in NY.
If I were hell-bent on made in the USA- I'd stick to Rugers, S&W, etc. Some guns from other manufacturers have parts made in the USA; others are assembled in the USA, some have some parts made in the USA, etc;; so much grey area.
Even in the AR-15/M-4 series- there's piston driven AR's- like Ruger has seven variants alone- all piston driven. I have a few of them- good rifles.. Some parts don't get lubed however. Ruger also has a 7.62x51 version- also piston driven.. Ruger stands behind their guns- from what I've heard- -for as long as you own it. American made too. I don't mind owning a Ruger- I own several- including rifles and pistols. They are solid guns and well built. With a great warranty behind it- it's never a bad deal.
I would rather own the Ruger AR's over the mini-14. I'd rather own the SR762 (someday), and the Springfield M1A is a very nice solid gun too.
My only regret is my safe queen- a .45ACP caliber carbine. It's made in NY.
If I were hell-bent on made in the USA- I'd stick to Rugers, S&W, etc. Some guns from other manufacturers have parts made in the USA; others are assembled in the USA, some have some parts made in the USA, etc;; so much grey area.
Why can't you have an M4?
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Just an assumption, but I'm guessing that you live in a restricted state???
If you would like a rifle that fires 5.56, 6.8 or x39, you could do a lot worse than one of the 582 series Ranch Rifles.
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a true M4 is an unaltered, select fire refle. The kind the government doesnt want us to have.
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Did you really have to start two threads about the same issue? You're getting the same responses.
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The other thread was specificially about a certain gun.
Do I have your permission to continue now?
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quote directly from your other post.
No you don't have my permission to continue. I didn't know it was required for you to continue though, and I doubt that if you don't have my permission you'll stop. But I digress...
continue with the clutter though, by all means.
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Please stop trying to start arguments
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You missed the humor, wasn't trying to start an argument, sometimes I can be dry.
I don't really care if you have more than one thread on the same topic, I was just saying you'll probably get the same types of responses. The conversation is also split and divides your information between two threads.
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Do they have bigger mags
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