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The missus and I have finally had it with this once great state.....all we think/talk about is getting out to a conservative state like Arizona.
Not only would we get to live in a sane state, but the financial gains would be life changing.....

A couple of things holding us back though......1) We are caretakers for my sister, who is autistic. She lives with us and goes to a day program funded by the county. There are similar programs in most every state, but the change would be a large one. 2) We have 2 sons, one is leaving the state as well, but the other (age 30) is set on staying and it would break my heart to leave him, especially as he starts into having kids, etc...

We may be forced to make this move if things get worse either financially (Prop 13, etc) or politically (ie, Guns become illegal, etc)

We look on Zillow as a release and a way to vent.........

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If you head for AZ make sure you head far enough east because the western areas are too much like the CA the locals left behind. The Bullhead City/Kingman area has too many CA transplants, including the gangs and junkies. On down the Colorado River you will find a lot of that, people who relocated just across the border but kept many of the values and attitudes from CA as well.

Once you get eastward of Kingman things change, so long as you stay away from Flagstaff (lots of Greens there) and the Payson/Phoenix/Tuscon areas.

I lived in AZ for 10 years, worked in CA for 2-1/2.

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That's our dream, to get out of this state. There's too much lawlessness, too little enforcement of laws, too many politicians with their own agenda to follow (so much for representation) and yet too much legislation impacting life here.

IMHO, anything on the Left Coast along the coast and in metropolitan areas is lost to the Democrat->Socialist spectrum. In speaking with a neighbor who is a realtor, states like Montana, Idaho, Nevada and Arizona are feeling the influx of Californians fleeing the taxes and politics. Home prices in those states are starting to rise, and supply is impacted.

I know many will say "Keep your damned politics in CA, and don't pollute my state with those ideas!" but we want to find sanity, not turn a new location into the likes of San Fran. or Los Angeles.
 

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ME.

Sadly, money is the main factor of why I am stuck here.

3 months now unemployed and moving costs are a thing.

I was born in SF but didn't know or understand the nature of politics nor the implications of the highly democratic and oppressive environment here til I returned after service around 2010.

Thought I could assimilate and just make money and move on with life. It's been much harder than I fathomed.

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I was born and raised in California, and left 30 years ago. It was already turning into a liberal ****hole even back then. I recently saw an article that said that in order to live a middle-class lifestyle in the Bay Area you now need an income of about $250,000 for a couple with a child or two. At $100,000 you are considered "poor".
 

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I know some states dread having Calis move because they think they're bringing the insanity with them....but EVERYONE I know that's left (or leaving) is ultra conservative....so they will actually greatly benefit the conservative states they move to. Make them more 'Red', increase the number of Reps in the house, increase the electoral college count.....
 

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the even more sobering reality is, California is beyond saving. no amount of conservative votes matter here because even if we had the numbers, their rigged election system will just compensate. we can rah rah all we want but the reality is this state is too far gone. the only effective way we can hurt them is by leaving. we are the middle class and they dont realize how badly they need our tax money. once we move, all they will have are the worthless freeloaders they pandered to for votes. once they realize that the remaining population is nothing more that dependent children, the state will collapse and burn. hopefully im a texan by then.
 

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the even more sobering reality is, California is beyond saving. no amount of conservative votes matter here because even if we had the numbers, their rigged election system will just compensate. we can rah rah all we want but the reality is this state is too far gone. the only effective way we can hurt them is by leaving. we are the middle class and they dont realize how badly they need our tax money. once we move, all they will have are the worthless freeloaders they pandered to for votes. once they realize that the remaining population is nothing more that dependent children, the state will collapse and burn. hopefully im a texan by then.
That is a big part of why I cannot understand why any of you guys stay. Are you masochists? You are working hard to support people who hate you. Why?
 

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That is a big part of why I cannot understand why any of you guys stay. Are you masochists? You are working hard to support people who hate you. Why?
In my case, the only thing keeping us here is my wife's nursing program. its a huge pain the in the but to transfer mid program. once that is done we are ready. the company we work for just bought out a medical group called CHI, so we can transfer to any of their clinics as current employees. but yeah man i know tons of others like us that are trapped due to money, health, ect. i say if you want it bad enough, you will make it happen, but i also understand the challenges people face in making the move. its a crap sandwich and we all get a bite.
 

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That is a big part of why I cannot understand why any of you guys stay. Are you masochists? You are working hard to support people who hate you. Why?
You are absolutely correct....however some people just can't pick up and go. There is family, there are job constraints, real estate cycles, and the like.
For example I am a self employed Contr/Builder and my reputation and work is here. If I shut down and move, the time it took to rebuild the business, requalify for the B License, etc, etc. would take longer than I intend to keep working.....I'm 65 and my plan is to pay off all debt before retiring in a couple years, then move. If I move right now (even if I could) I would be screwing us financially.

I don't mean to be one of those who whines and does nothing about it, I am gathering information and advice on an eventual move. It's confusing, hope it makes sense.....
 

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After 55 years, I left Califorina 5 years ago
Should have left long before that
Once you experience as much freedom as is allowed in the United States
You will kick yourself for not doing it sooner
I moved out seven years ago (GOD! Has it REALLY been that long!?), and STILL no regrets.
 

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The missus and I have finally had it with this once great state...

A couple of things holding us back though......1) We are caretakers for my sister, who is autistic. She lives with us and goes to a day program funded by the county. There are similar programs in most every state, but the change would be a large one. 2) We have 2 sons, one is leaving the state as well, but the other (age 30) is set on staying and it would break my heart to leave him, especially as he starts into having kids, etc...

We may be forced to make this move

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I've been wondering how things are. I have worked with special needs persons before I retired and although I don't know where your sister is on the spectrum, sometimes changes are not as bad as we fear. Have faith that the move may benefit her as well.

Also, I moved across the country and left 2 children behind when my husband and I moved to the east coast...it was hard, but we told ourselves it was only an 8hour flight, not a lifetime away, and it did make things easier. Also, with technology the way it is, we could Skype or Facetime for any holiday. The grandchildren would run up to their computer and show every gift to us excitedly.
 

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ME.

Sadly, money is the main factor of why I am stuck here.

3 months now unemployed and moving costs are a thing.

I was born in SF but didn't know or understand the nature of politics nor the implications of the highly democratic and oppressive environment here til I returned after service around 2010.

Thought I could assimilate and just make money and move on with life. It's been much harder than I fathomed.
Oh man, do I feel for you! The other sad part is any Veterans organization, city, county, or any other doesn't give a crap about you or will help you get back on your feet with your problems! They just don't care! I had to leave with every last cent in my pocket, so glad I'm out!

You are absolutely correct....however some people just can't pick up and go. There is family, there are job constraints, real estate cycles, and the like.
For example I am a self employed Contr/Builder and my reputation and work is here. If I shut down and move, the time it took to rebuild the business, requalify for the B License, etc, etc. would take longer than I intend to keep working.....I'm 65 and my plan is to pay off all debt before retiring in a couple years, then move. If I move right now (even if I could) I would be screwing us financially.

I don't mean to be one of those who whines and does nothing about it, I am gathering information and advice on an eventual move. It's confusing, hope it makes sense.....

Bull Hockey! Your not doing it right then! Put you and your family first and get out, everything else will fall into place. The money you save now moving can't be replaced when things are super expensive to afford!
 

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I know some states dread having Calis move because they think they're bringing the insanity with them....but EVERYONE I know that's left (or leaving) is ultra conservative....so they will actually greatly benefit the conservative states they move to. Make them more 'Red', increase the number of Reps in the house, increase the electoral college count.....
Just want to point out...”ultra conservative” in Cali is NOT conservative anywhere else...:cool:

So no, they DON’T greatly benefit us.:mad:
 
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