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I just picked up my first Mauser that was advertised as a Argentine 7mm Mauser Carbine in 7x57. I knew from only a couple quick searches that that was going to be wrong. First off it seems the Argentine Mauser was 7.62x53. Still at the price with almost 200 rounds of factory ammo, I picked it up. Pulled the modern scope mount off and as I thought it would, it said "Fabrica de Armas Oviedo" over 1913. So I know it is a Spanish Mauser (well at least the action lol). What I can't understand is almost all of the pics I see have writing on the left hand side of the action like this

See first attachment

Mine does not. As you can see there is a 'D' then a couple inches of space and a F69xx serial number. Obviously I fuzzed out the last 2 digits.

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Also I see that almost all actions I see have a trough cut in the front to view the sight. This trough is also in the wood. My wood has it, but not the receiver metal.

The barrel is 17 inches and the stock extends to the end. It seems the receiver and bolt are matched serial numbers. What else should match?

I will try to add a complete pic soon.

Just trying to see what I have. At this point it could be anything from a pieced together parts gun to a #'s matching one. I just don't know enough to know. I also want to make sure that it isn't a 7.62x53 that some guy just thinks is 7x57 and he never shot the ammo to find out.

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How do you know its not 7mm?

A lot of those old guns were rechambered in 7.62x51/308 and were somewhat questionable because of it, depending on the receiver size, or so I remember.

Are the rounds you got with the gun rimless or rimmed? What are their boxes marked as?
 

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How do you know its not 7mm?

A lot of those old guns were rechambered in 7.62x51/308 and were somewhat questionable because of it, depending on the receiver size, or so I remember.

Are the rounds you got with the gun rimless or rimmed? What are their boxes marked as?
Boxes are marked 7mm Mauser and seem to be factory PPU ammo. The other stuff on stripper clips seems to all say 7mm Mauser/PPU on the headstamp also. They look like the attachment I pulled off the web.
 

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Sounds like you need to figure out just what it is you have.

Im thinking "7mm Mauser" is 7x57, not 7.62x53.

If the gun is marked that, and it hasnt been overstamped with something else, then its "probably" what you have.
 

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Sounds like you need to figure out just what it is you have.

Im thinking "7mm Mauser" is 7x57, not 7.62x53.

If the gun is marked that, and it hasnt been overstamped with something else, then its "probably" what you have.
Well so far there is not a caliber marking that I see.Gonna try to get a view under the wood when I get time.

That was the reason for the question about the receiver markings. Usually you assume you will see it marked somewhere. lol

I do know a lot of mausers got rechambered or rebarreled for all kinds of calibers. I am pretty sure my Father in law's 6.5 Swede is a reworked Maurer action.
 

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When in doubt consult a gunsmith. On line chat rooms are not the best place. Now take a round and see if the projectile fits in the bore. If it is 7mm your 7mm ammo should fit. If it is 7.65 a 7mm will be loose. 7.65 is about 31 cal. Put a round in the magazine and close the bolt. does the bolt close easily with the 7mm? It should not with a 7.65. What you may have is a '93 spanish mauser. the '95 mauser has a different bolt head. If I remember correctly the Argentine mauser was in 7.65X53 and was a 91,95 or 09. Bottom line is to have it looked at by a real gunsmith and have him check the headspace on it while he is at it.
 

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When in doubt consult a gunsmith. On line chat rooms are not the best place. Now take a round and see if the projectile fits in the bore. If it is 7mm your 7mm ammo should fit. If it is 7.65 a 7mm will be loose. 7.65 is about 31 cal. Put a round in the magazine and close the bolt. does the bolt close easily with the 7mm? It should not with a 7.65. What you may have is a '93 spanish mauser. the '95 mauser has a different bolt head. If I remember correctly the Argentine mauser was in 7.65X53 and was a 91,95 or 09. Bottom line is to have it looked at by a real gunsmith and have him check the headspace on it while he is at it.
I am gonna spend some more time with it tonight. I just picked it up today. Like I did with the Mosin Nagants I have, I will probably pick up headspace go and no go guages. I will definately make sure it is right before it gets fired.

I was just wanting to get some insight into the world of mausers. There is so much history with them. You could spend days on the internet and weeks in books just trying to nail down all the types used by various countries. do am that kind of guy that wants to learn alk I can about any historic guns I have.
 

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I would pull the bolt, plug the bore about an inch below the chamber neck with a cleaning patch, and cast the chamber with cerro safe.
This is a special metal alloy sold by Brownells to allow gunsmiths to accurately measure chamber dimensions.

I suspect you have a 93 Spanish Mauser carbine chambered in 7x57, but these guns get modified all the time, so I would cast, measure, and know for sure.
Brownells sells 1/2 lb of cerro safe for $15. https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-.../cerrosafe-chamber-casting-alloy-prod384.aspx
 

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Here are some pics. Don't cringe at the holes drilled for a scope in the crest picture. I looked it over without disassembling and can't find any other significant looking markings. I did test a 7mm Maurer in the muzzle It drops in right to where the bullet meets the brass. Not loose. Also seems to drop in the chamber fine, but I didn't close the bolt. I will try that when it is not raining outside and I can test safely.

Dang, I just ordered from Brownells. lol. I will look at casting it.
 

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looks like a sporterized 93. check the bolt face. Is it round or square on the bottom. It is clearly not a 98
It is square.

Based on this page looks to be a 1895 Carbine. While other 1895 did not have square bottom bolt faces, these did. At least if the page is right.

http://masterton.us/Model93carbines
 

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It looks like an engineers carbine... Those holes in the crest are easily fixable without destroying the crest. The welder giveth and the file taketh away.
 

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NOT an 1895 carbine. If it was 1895 it would have a small squared protrusion right behind the bolt handle on the receiver. It was a rudimentary safety catch if lugs failed. So 1893 action.
 

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It’s a 1893 Oviedo Model Spanish contract Mauser.

Whether it’s a arsenal, importer or bubba carbine conversion would require close up front sight pictures. The front sight looks likes it’s from a 1895 carbine that’s been attached to a 1893.

The trigger plate should have a serial number on it. Does it match? The barrel bands should also have serial numbers on them somewhere.

The bolt handle has been modified for the scope mount post military use.

I can’t imagine it was user rebuilt to a carbine with a barrel/caliber swap. They’d most likely word have put a new stock on it once the did this, the bolt conversion and scope mounts. If they did the barrel will be marked under the top wood hand guard. If they reamed it out to a 7x57 variant then the smith would have marked the barrel as well.

My guess would be it’s a 7x57 Mauser import from the 50/60’s that was user modified for bolt and mounts as a hunting rifle.
 

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It’s a 1893 Oviedo Model Spanish contract Mauser.

Whether it’s a arsenal, importer or bubba carbine conversion would require close up front sight pictures. The front sight looks likes it’s from a 1895 carbine that’s been attached to a 1893.

The trigger plate should have a serial number on it. If it does, and matches, is leads more to an arsenal rebuild.

The bolt handle has been modified for the scope mount post military use.

My guess would be it’s a 7x57 Mauser. I can’t imagine it was user rebuilt to a carbine with a barrel/caliber swap. They’d most likely word have put a new stock on it once the did the bolt conversion and scope mounts. If they did the barrel will be marked under the top wood hand guard. If they reamed it out to a 7x57 variant then the smith would have marked the barrel as well.
Here are some sight pics. Plus a close up of the top of the bolt. Why do you say it was modified for the mounts. Looks like whoever did them ground the back mount down to clear the bolt handle.

Is this where you mean as to the trigger plate serial?

Thanks for everyone chiming in.
 

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