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^^^^ I know people up the Road less than a mile that are paying $2000 or more a month in Property Tax other areas are even Higher House might be now 600 to 900 thousand certainty not worth that

House next door went up for sale after the Lady died at 99-1/2 years old. Built in early 80"s or so. Was on the Market for two weeks before it sold. Price listed 400 thousand. 2 bedroom 2 bath really needed updated still with 80's Decor. Tax is between 12 and 15 thousand Willing to bet it sold well over list as there aren't any to be had.
Yep, I thank prop 13 for making property taxes affordable for us. There is no way we could afford property taxes in many other States.
 

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Im not sure where those numbers come from ?
My property taxs is way more then there total.
Food is triple
entertainment mite work if you are drinking beer in a parking lot.
Seems impossible ?
 

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Property taxes are the worst in my case. I live in Nebraska, which is like in the top five states for high property taxes.

How high? A $150,000 home can easily get hit for $5000 yearly. I have a 160 acre farm. And my yearly taxes are almost $12k. Nearly HALF of my net profit for one year!

Oh--there has been lots of pressure on the state govt. to do something. And many proposals to reduce this huge tax burden. But they mostly founder for the following reasons:

1) Taxing fixed property like homes and farmland is a perfect type of tax. Land and homes can't be hidden in tax shelters. Unlike income, you can't move your land or home to a tax haven in Bermuda. It's always there. And there will always be an identifiable owner(s).

2) In the case of a largely rural state like Nebraska, most of the land in the state is farmland. So farmers are hit disproportionately. Farmers are less than 10 % of the state's population. Yet we pay nearly HALF of all the taxes in the state. Since farmers are such a small part of the electorate, no politician has anything to gain by trying to make the farmers happy when it comes to elections.

3). A large part of the property tax burden goes towards funding public education, if not over half of it. Nebraska has a huge number of small, rural school districts. These small towns are FURIOUSLY determined to "keep the school going". Even though most of them have unsustainable schools with declining enrollments. And--on a per student expense--are VERY inefficient.
Taxes here do suck. And they are mostly property taxes. With more residents the property tax would go down per household. But more people would screw things up too.

Property taxes are taxes on the number two thing to keep you alive (behind air). Shelter. Ironically we don't pay sales taxes on food staples because they are essential. Like a home isn't essential to life.

Property taxes are one of the most regressive taxes we have in this country. For homeowners, small businesses, and renters.
 

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Im not sure where those numbers come from ?
My property taxs is way more then there total.
Food is triple
entertainment mite work if you are drinking beer in a parking lot.
Seems impossible ?
Like I said where do those people live. I am certainly not rich or even well off, though I guess I am the middle of the pack. With all my taxes I am more than 3 times that number at a minimum
 
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Property Tax where I live and I am cheaper than homes less than a mile from me. $15,000 year
Ya that’s crazy , I don’t know how you guys live on the island .
I’m about a hour west of the Cuomo bridge 😂🤣 and they get me for 1000 a month .
The thing is I have 3 houses , I live in the country I have no trash pick up , I plow my own snow, fix my roads , there are no police . ( Not a bad thing )
when I bought my first house in 88 the taxes where 800 a year .
And to make thing worse the property value Doesn’t keep up with the taxes ☹
 

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^^^ When we bought this house the taxes were under $8000 now right at $15000 almost doubled in 20 years
 

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On a state level, here in Florida it is not too bad. I am paying about $2,500.00 a year for property taxes on a house worth about a half million. No state income tax. On a federal level though, I buy Uncle Sam a new car every year.
 

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Property taxes vary a lot depending on where you live. When we lived in Florida, our property tax was around $2600 a year on just a house with a yard in Orlando. Now we live in Virginia on a farm with land and lots of buildings and it's about $1000 a year but our farm land is in landuse ( not taxed as high)
Federal income tax while we lived in Florida and had jobs , last year we paid it was around $28000 a year not including SS and Medicare tax , here we pay NOTHING
Cost of living here around $ 2000 a year on food ( we do have a farm and produce a lot ourselves) , maybe $500 a year on shoes and work clothes, but probably less. Not healthcare cost.
Property tax is a big one you have to look at each county to see how much it is. If you live in a poorer rural area it is less, but not in all States . When we looked for property I think Louisiana had the cheapest property taxes in general, but I don't want to live there
 

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You lucky people. Here in Belgium the taxes are much higher on EVERY THING.
I am now retired. I paid last year for my wife and myself +/- 100.000 $
I own only one house.
 

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Property taxes are dependent on where you live. Blue states have much higher property taxes. This could very well be an average. The top 10% of Americans pay 90% of the taxes. We are already taxing the rich too much. Most rich people don't have that much cash. It is tied up in their businesses, factories, and such.
 

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Most rich people don't have that much cash. It is tied up in their businesses, factories, and such.
When poor people "don't have enough cash" we sell **** to pay OUR tax bills. Today's vocabulary word is LIQUIDATION.
 

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When the liberal media starts commenting on the middle class exodus from blue states, you know it's gotten pretty bad.

Seems some people living in blue states have decided moving to greener (less taxed) pastures is prudent. Oh they'll still pay taxes but taxes won't feel like a slow death from a thousand cuts...
 

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There are too many taxes wasted on money pits. For instance, in the Great Depression, FDR didn't want to give people money because they would loose the work ethic. He wanted to create jobs, thus all the public works projects. Only disabled people and retired people would get money. This should be true today. Today there are 30 million job openings in the US. However, people are getting "covid" money to not work. This should stop. Giving money and benefits to ILLEGAL aliens should also stop. I know if Blue states such as New York, my wife's sister gets rent money from the government. She lives in a one bedroom apartment in a bad area of the Bronx. Her out of pocket rent is $900. Our 2800 sq. ft. home with swimming pool in Alabama is around $900 a month. Hmm. She is only there because her two children live there. They "love" the big city. Our niece from NY won't walk in our lawn bare footed because of "bugs". We went to a large lake nearby one time when we were here and had a boat, and took them swimming. Very clear water. She felt fish (bream) bumping her legs. She wondered what it was, I said fish. She immediately got out of the water and never got back in. We took them skiing and tubing.
 

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And many of these blue state refugees will vote for Dems and try to turn their new state blue, resulting in more taxation.
Wash rinse repeat?
Maybe, why would the Dems leave when they already have everything the want? I don't think the people leaving are doing so to start the process all over again, especially knowing where that process leads?

It's quite possible the majority of those moving from blue states are conservatives, independents or libertarians. The people walking away are the ones who have had it with the way the Dems run things...or they're small business owners who can't afford the higher taxes Dems love to impose.

From another angle... progressives, liberals and socialists are down with the whole idea of big government running their lives, which by logical extension means big taxes, why would they want to leave a leftist nirvana?

LOL...Dems are exactly where they want to be doing exactly what they want to be doing, they're in blue state heaven. They're not the ones walking away.
 

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Wash rinse repeat?
Maybe, why would the Dems leave when they already have everything the want? I don't think the people leaving are doing so to start the process all over again, especially knowing where that process leads?

It's quite possible the majority of those moving from blue states are conservatives, independents or libertarians. The people walking away are the ones who have had it with the way the Dems run things...or they're small business owners who can't afford the higher taxes Dems love to impose.

From another angle... progressives, liberals and socialists are down with the whole idea of big government running their lives, which by logical extension means big taxes, why would they want to leave a leftist nirvana?

LOL...Dems are exactly where they want to be doing exactly what they want to be doing, they're in blue state heaven. They're not the ones walking away.
For the most part you are right. I know LOTS of families that have moved because of politics. That said, there are some people that think they can have it both ways, low taxes AND government handouts. Those are the people that will move to a low tax area and bring big city ideas with them and change the community to fit their ideal.
 

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Liberals want anything they can get as long as it's paid for by someone else, they aren't too happy when they have to pay for the stuff themselves.

So there's no reason they won't go to red states where they won't have to pay much in taxes, and then insist that the residents of that state buy them stuff. They do this by voting for whoever promises them the most free stuff.

The fact that eventually, this scheme will result in them paying higher taxes doesn't register with them. Rational thinking isn't something they're good at.
 

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For the most part you are right. I know LOTS of families that have moved because of politics. That said, there are some people that think they can have it both ways, low taxes AND government handouts. Those are the people that will move to a low tax area and bring big city ideas with them and change the community to fit their ideal.
There are probably a few who think they can have it both ways.

Regarding motives one can never be sure or absolute about another persons motives. I simply don't think there is an ulterior motive to majority of these people moving, a few maybe but not the majority. More often than not the reason people move is simply because it's in their best interest.

Think of small business owners that were shuttered during the lockdowns, if they were not entirely wiped out they had some time on their hands to do some research,

I imagine many asked themselves, do they want to reopen to the tax and regulatory schemes and burden they were carrying or do they want to make a fresh start and possibly catch a break.

The Covid lockdowns took them out of the grind and put them (forced them?) into a position of making a choice.
 

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The fact is we have become too successful. Most people, even those on welfare, are content with their standard of living. We have a don't work, not hard, not honest, not good 50% of the workforce. High school graduates cannot make change without a calculator.
 
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