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When I looked at this chart I am thinking where hell is this in America. This was a survey by BLS.Gov in 2020 My Property taxes alone are more than total taxes reported here.
Going by this guide Line I would say I am paying triple in Taxes compared to everyday expenses. And our wonderful inept President wants to raise taxes more.

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Is this to represent the national average?

Is it per person?

Combining those two together sums an amount far more than my annual pension income.

I am not wealthy enough to be paying income taxes. My property taxes on a three bdrm house and 150-acres are around $850 a year.
 

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Ive paid less than 1/2 that average for the past 12 years, no more than $1300 to federal on around $80k income but I get hit for $7k in property tax

get out of the system as much as you can
 

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Property tax is the big one for me. I pay nearly $1600 a year for a house in town. 60% of which goes to the local school system that my kids don't use. Either let folks use the facilities or quit taxing on it if our kids go elsewhere. We're not even allowed on the grounds after hours!
So agree. Our property taxes are $3600 a year; if they go much higher I won't be able to pay them on my Social Security when I retire. If I ever can retire.

I find it less than amusing that I've worked all my life, paid numerous taxes, yet the street I live on has no sidewalks, is a one-lane with numerous potholes so bad there's actually a feature in the newspaper where they put a piggy-bank-sized pig in them and photograph them, and the bus that stops 2 blocks over only runs once an hour; if I want more frequent bus service I have to walk a country mile to it.

I pay into the school system, but as Sporks mentioned, I'm not allowed to use the recreational grounds during off hours and weekends, nor do they offer adult night classes to the community. I'm basically paying an ever-increasing tax on my home so other people who put children in the school system can get huge tax refunds based on the number of them. Don't get me wrong, I think children need to be educated and public structures need to be maintained, but when you start pricing older people out of the homes they bought and paid for with their hard-earned money, then the children in school relate that their parents have to buy crayons, paper, pencils and other supplies for the classroom and the roof leaks, it's a bit much.
 

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I pay into the school system, but as Sporks mentioned, I'm not allowed to use the recreational grounds during off hours and weekends, nor do they offer adult night classes to the community. I'm basically paying an ever-increasing tax on my home so other people who put children in the school system can get huge tax refunds based on the number of them. Don't get me wrong, I think children need to be educated and public structures need to be maintained, but when you start pricing older people out of the homes they bought and paid for with their hard-earned money, then the children in school relate that their parents have to buy crayons, paper, pencils and other supplies for the classroom and the roof leaks, it's a bit much.
This. Per the numbers, our district supposedly spends just shy of $14,000 per student per year. In addition to that, they ask for all supplies, fundraisers, etc. That's ABSURD. I homeschool for usually under $200 a kid. I know what materials cost new. I also know how much perfectly good materials schools auction off for PENNIES. I bought huge lots of bookcases, desks, and school furniture for resale from the local district via auction a few years back because I wanted the bookcases. I paid less than $100 for everything - well over 100 desks, 25+ shelves, and more. There was NO reason to sell any of that - it was in perfect working condition. But they were renovating the school & didn't want to store it.
 

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Looking at those numbers I supposed if you have 4-6 kids who need fast food, the latest fashions and the newest games and own a couple hundred acres, it MIGHT be correct. But I don't buy it for the "average" American.
A lot depends on where you live. If you live on the E side of our street, I would say our taxes are within the neighborhood average by being less than 1K per year. If you live on the W side of our street, in another county, you will pay 5 times that much.
 

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How else are we going to pay for the inner city deadbeats and the illegals pouring over our border? Who needs money for themselves when there's so many freeloaders to feed? C'mon man ... get with the program.

But seriously ... Socialism is OBSCENE!
 

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I pay $6033.50 in Federal annually so I'm under the number shown on the chart but it's still OBSCENE! I would really like to spend my money on things I need rather than junk the beggar community is too lazy to work for.
 

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Property taxes are the worst in my case. I live in Nebraska, which is like in the top five states for high property taxes.

How high? A $150,000 home can easily get hit for $5000 yearly. I have a 160 acre farm. And my yearly taxes are almost $12k. Nearly HALF of my net profit for one year!

Oh--there has been lots of pressure on the state govt. to do something. And many proposals to reduce this huge tax burden. But they mostly founder for the following reasons:

1) Taxing fixed property like homes and farmland is a perfect type of tax. Land and homes can't be hidden in tax shelters. Unlike income, you can't move your land or home to a tax haven in Bermuda. It's always there. And there will always be an identifiable owner(s).

2) In the case of a largely rural state like Nebraska, most of the land in the state is farmland. So farmers are hit disproportionately. Farmers are less than 10 % of the state's population. Yet we pay nearly HALF of all the taxes in the state. Since farmers are such a small part of the electorate, no politician has anything to gain by trying to make the farmers happy when it comes to elections.

3). A large part of the property tax burden goes towards funding public education, if not over half of it. Nebraska has a huge number of small, rural school districts. These small towns are FURIOUSLY determined to "keep the school going". Even though most of them have unsustainable schools with declining enrollments. And--on a per student expense--are VERY inefficient.
 

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Property Tax where I live and I am cheaper than homes less than a mile from me. $15,000 year
 
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If there must be taxes, they should only be on consumption. It is the only way I can see to do it fairly. A single, low, flat rate on everything consumed. No income tax, no property tax, and no progressive tax brackets.
 

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I have read articles that Long Island is the Second Highest Place in the Country to Live. If not second we are pretty close to the top.

I paid over 21,000 in fed tax last year
State I know I paid more than what they are showing for Fed Tex.

Yet they want more. Have one more year with Son in School then we are outa here.

Everytime I cross a Bridge to leave the Island and Come back it close to $40 dollars a day.
 

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Our school and property taxes are around $3600.00 per year and we live with 8% Sales Tax. I would have to look up the other taxes. I don't think that chart is to far out of whack for many areas.

The food on the chart works out to $610.00 per month which does not seem out of line for people who buy all of their groceries.

Depressing.
 

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Public debt (all expenditures regardless of the government) is what taxes are geared to pay.
Taxes are created because government designs itself to not be self sufficient.

We create a system of conflict of interest against government going into business to support itself.

Thus, government uses the money created (wealth) by the private sector to operate.

Thus taxation. Property tax is age old. Not to say it is right or wrong. simply stating facts.

Understand that core point and you can figure that if you eliminate property tax, they will shift the burden of taxation to something else.
the only way to stop the process is to stop government spending.
 

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^^^^ I know people up the Road less than a mile that are paying $2000 or more a month in Property Tax other areas are even Higher House might be now 600 to 900 thousand certainty not worth that

House next door went up for sale after the Lady died at 99-1/2 years old. Built in early 80"s or so. Was on the Market for two weeks before it sold. Price listed 400 thousand. 2 bedroom 2 bath really needed updated still with 80's Decor. Tax is between 12 and 15 thousand Willing to bet it sold well over list as there aren't any to be had.
 
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