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I bought 75 acres of row crop land in Georgia. A farmer leases it for 50 dollars an acre a year. If I plant it all in pines and enter in the CRP program the government will pay me 80 dollars an acre a year. What I want to know is why?
I don’t personally believe the government gives a crap about the environment so what is it. All the land around me is being planted in pine trees and I’ll probably do the same it’s just to profitable not to. But I cant help but wonder why? Think it’s to drive up food prices? Or am I overthinking this.
 

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WILL YOU have to allow for the timber to be taken off at some time in the future?
renewable woods source you know..

read the fine print.
 

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The timber industry has good lobbyists…pretty much the same was Jimmy Carter became a ‘millionaire peanut farmer’ by playing the subsidy game-paid big bucks NOT to plant
 

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Have you checked on the longjevity of the program??? Will they pay $80 an acre for 30 years and then you are out of the program??? So now you are stuck with a stand of trees that wont pay anything for another 30-40 years. Even if the program promises to continue forever, do you really trust Uncle that much???
 

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If he lives in Jawja, those trees will be nearly 75-100 ft tall in 20-25 years, about the size they are cutting all around me. They re-plant after 2 years( 1-2" trees) and within 4 years of that, they are 8-10 ft and then really take off. They shoot up dramatically during normal to wet rainfall, with a year every 3 years when the don't gu up as much as increase their growth.

When we built our house, they had cut all the pines in our property several years earlier. At the 20year mark, the pines on our property are 80-110 feet, and we are constantly cutting or pulling "volunteers" out of the yard and driveways.None of our pines were planted, all were "volunteers", which is why they aren't much bigger (our cut was 9 years before be bought the place, we have been here 20 years and our pines were originally 1-2 feet high). Planted trees are bred for very fast growth.

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WILL YOU have to allow for the timber to be taken off at some time in the future?
renewable woods source you know..

read the fine print.
Yes, 100%, READ THE FINE PRINT!

The real question is will he be ALLOWED to log the place for profit in 20-30 years? Can he run cattle or other livestock in there in the meantime? Can he cull trees, thin the stands, or plant anything under those trees, and who says which trees or which crop?
 

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There are a lot of government programs like this. There is some rationale behind most of them. One reason is to help stabilize the market around some products.

As with many government programs it's easy to get in. How hard is it to get out? Ask any GI.
 

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Not sure it applies, but I have noticed that the trees headed for the paper mill are getting smaller every year. This may be an effort to ensure there is timber to cut for products in the future.
Definitely read the fine print. "they" may retain the rights to the trees....
 

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Its for the first 5 years...then you cut every other tree at 8(thin) then harvest at 13...pines at 13 yrs old are huge
 

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You have to sign a 15 year lease With the government not to cut any trees after the 15 years you can do whatever you want. During the 15 years you can’t cut any trees or run cows but most of the people around me That are in the crp program just use their land to hunt on and you can still do that .
 

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The "government" is really the individuals in Congress. They could care less about conservation or the environment. They could care less about how much taxpayer money they spend.
They only care about how much money they have.
So a few of them once wrote an amendment to another popular Bill. Their amendment was to give $80 per acre if you plant pines. When it passed they immediately bought up several thousand acres of land and had it planted it in pines.
Now they can do nothing with the land but still make money on it every single year.
Good job if you can get it.
 

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The roots of CRP go back to Depression-era farm policy. It says "conservation" but this is really about A) ag welfare (many programs for this) and B) taking a certain amount of land out of production to maintain prices. This is a longstanding program and acreage allowed in it periodically change when the farm bill comes up for renewal. If it is an attractive thing to do with your land, read the fine print carefully and do it if you wish.
 

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What does your farmer plant? Soybeans?

Also, is anyone willing to sharecrop? Might make you more dough...
 

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Farmer does the standard here in Georgia... corn, wheat, soybeans, cotton, peanuts. My neighbor bought 150 acres next to me and gets the pine straw raked in his for 300 an acre per year. if you do the math at (3000 an acre purchase price) you are basically getting your land paid for after 10 years.
 

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You have to sign a 15 year lease With the government not to cut any trees after the 15 years you can do whatever you want. During the 15 years you can’t cut any trees or run cows but most of the people around me That are in the crp program just use their land to hunt on and you can still do that .
And the fed gov would never rewrite a contract (read the fine print) regarding some Carbon BS or __.

Check the property tax rates for the various uses.
 

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I bought 75 acres of row crop land in Georgia. A farmer leases it for 50 dollars an acre a year. If I plant it all in pines and enter in the CRP program the government will pay me 80 dollars an acre a year. What I want to know is why?
I don’t personally believe the government gives a crap about the environment so what is it. All the land around me is being planted in pine trees and I’ll probably do the same it’s just to profitable not to. But I cant help but wonder why? Think it’s to drive up food prices? Or am I overthinking this.

Should have been $150 per acre or more rental Crop land inKy rents for $200 per acre!
 

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control of the food supply...less available means higher prices/starvation/socialism. same reason bill gates is buying up farmland in america. same reason so are the chinese.
 
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