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alternate places to scavenge gas

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#1 ·
I was wondering. If things were really to collapse badly, in which unusual locations would you scavenge gasoline. I am sure there must be many aside from gas stations and abandoned cars. I am thinking like on a long distance journey by car over highways and rural roads thru various towns and outskirts of cities (assuming that is possible and that i needed to) months after collapse occurs, how would i go about systematically looking for gas in unusual places? not the places other people might look. an abandoned garage might have a gas can but i'm counting that as a usual place.
i guess any business that has a fleet of trucks would have gas cans and more but whats a list of em, and where do they keep it , and what is the distribution of the store along a highway in a town. I realize this is a poor question so ill answer it for just one item and give info instead of just asking -- tow agencies-- those i have encountered are usually out in the boonies of cities
even past suburbs. they have a lot of peoples cars there. any cars already there (100) shtf, are staying there, with possible gas in them, more likely some of the gas will be drained and centrally stored. some have garages and thats gonna be where. but tow company people are a uh irascible hard to get along with type, and tow trucks might still be in operation due to government or community demand, so people will be nearby with guns, bad idea i guess. thats one type of business , where it is in my experience, and 2 ideas of where on premises located. a tow worker would know more. maybe other people have better ideas than i do about this.
a second thought was, is there a way of quickly telling if an abandoned car has some gas in the tank - ie wrecked cars may well have gas more than the average abandoned car. a neatly safely pulled over car, no. parked cars in a lot, perhaps, depends on the type of parking lot for a better probability id have to think about the business tyype. can you walk up on a car, crack the cap off, and SMELL, by smell tell if there is lots of gas or just vapor? b/c that would be really fast way to locate gas if there are lots of cars.
 
#2 ·
Get rid of the gas car and go diesel. That will really open up your refueling options. Especially an older diesel.
 
#16 ·
You can run a gas engine on 65% alcohol. It takes less food to make alcohol then it does oil. To make alcohol you can use the waste from food production to make fuel such as what is left in your colander after making apple sauce.

Making Alcohol Fuel With a Solar Still
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Solar fuel alcohol distillation
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ALCOHOL DISTILLATION BY SOLAR ENERGY
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#3 ·
I think your best bet would be siphoning from other vehicles. Assuming there would be no power for gas pumps.
I also think enough people keep a can of gas in their shed/garage that you could manage, for a few weeks/months at least. But I am going to assume that most major highways and state routes would be blocked or closed.
 
#10 ·
I think your best bet would be siphoning from other vehicles. Assuming there would be no power for gas pumps.
I also think enough people keep a can of gas in their shed/garage that you could manage, for a few weeks/months at least. But I am going to assume that most major highways and state routes would be blocked or closed.
MOST cars on the road now have ANTI-SIPHON inserts in the inlet to the gas tank, so siphoning isn't going to be as much of an option as it was back in say the 70's and earlier.

Modern cars = punch hole in tank and drain into suitable container. Hard to do for today's small cars that sit so low to the ground.

Cars in wrecking yards have the fuel in their tanks drained now due to EPA rules.
 
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I can tell you that i have scoped out the various places near me that have fuel tanks onsite: golf courses, both diesel and unleaded 500+ gal tanks, larger lawn maintenance facilities, have tanks too, heavy equipment distributors and the like...

In addition, my next genie will run on lpg/propane vs gas, maybe tri fuel, because propane lasts forever, and in the event of an electrical outage, i can still buy and store tanks....

The community we live in has propane powered golf carts, and i will not hesitate to scavenge those either...

Now, if a shtf event and all of that goes away, well we'll have other more important issues to deal with...
 
#8 ·
My advice would be to store gasoline NOW, especially while prices are so low. In the scenario you describe, everyone else will be trying to do the same thing, and that makes it very dangerous.

One of the very best and least expensive ways to store gasoline is in 15 gallon HDPE drums. They are used extensively in the food service and chemical industries. I can get them from my local recycling center for $5. You just wash them out thoroughly, let them dry, and then fill them up. The bung caps can be wrenched on very tightly, which is what you want. It keeps the 'light ends' of the gasoline that make it burn properly. You can easily store gasoline for years this way, though the addition of PRI-G is a good practice as well.
 
#9 ·
This goes back more than a few years.

One guy I knew had an electric fuel pump under his car, one hose he put in the gas filler, the other long one down into the gas station tanks. Worked only with closed stations.

I hung out with these 2 brothers, they lived by a school bus yard and plenty of the buses ran on gas then. They cut the lines on a few buses, installed a petcock so they could drift in, fill up a couple of 5 gallon cans at a time. It worked for a long time until the yard was moved to a locked in fence.
 
#11 ·
Anti-Siphons are VERY easy to deal with. A true prepper has a multi-tool and with 5 minutes, you can remove about any one from the inlet to a gas tank. I have an Audi Q7 diesel, and it had one that was stuck. Took me 30 seconds to figure it out and pull it out.

I have done the same thing on a number of other cars when someone runs out of gas and we need to siphon some from another car. pretty simple. That being said, if you can not figure it out. Just jab you multi-tool into the inlet and it will snap. If you are not worried about breaking it, which in the situation you are referring to, you should not be, then just bust it and go to town.

Overall, I agree with earlier posts, get an older diesel. Very easy to run it off many things. There are older diesel multi-fuel engines that will run off the motor oil sitting in all those cars. no one is going to be out looking for that. Just filter it and you have fuel.
 
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I think you are confusing the little flapper they installed at the top of the filler neck to keep a leaded-fuel nozzle (some of you guys probably don't even remember when we had to chose from leaded-unleaded at the pumps) from fitting, with the anti-siphon device that is further down.
 
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First off, if you need gas, you should store it. Scavenging for fuel could be detrimental to your health.

So with that in mind, here's some of my thoughts and ideas on where to get gas.

1. Small engine repair shops typically have gasoline on hand, usually not more than a few gallons, but every little bit helps.

2. Golf courses, their property sheds have gasoline stashed for their lawn equipment. You should score at least 10-15 gallons at least here.

3. Sign companies. These temporary road signs use small generators to power them, you should get a few gallons here.

4. Large plumping companies, these businesses will usually have pumps that clear water out of flooded pits/cellars/basements and you should have access to both gas and diesel here.

5. Small marinas, the mom & pop fishing boat rentals on smaller lakes will have gasoline for their outboards.

6. Sod farms, these operations are fuel intensive and sit well under the radar. I have a sod farm near me that has two fuel tanks that each hold a max of 300 gallons. They're out of sight and don't stand out.

7. Food terminals, these should have generators to keep the foods cooled or frozen in the event of a power failure. Fuel types can be mixed though between propane, natural gas, gasoline or diesel.

8. Meat/Produce dealers, those trucks have freezers and coolers that run off generators, so you can find diesel/gasoline stored here.

9. Have a manual rotary pump to scavenge from gas station tanks, equipment rental facilities, marinas, etc.

As I stated before, if you need it store it.

Scavenging for something as valuable as gas/diesel can get you killed.
 
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A couple of others have occurred to me; RV/trailer/vehicle storage lots, (including propane tanks 5-7 gallon sizes). and fuel tanks for gensets serving cell towers. especially if there is a solar flare/emp event and the gen set never turns over or shuts down. And yes storing fuel is much safer than scavenging.....
 
#13 ·
You need to store and rotate your fuel stocks. Todays gasoline and diesel will not store long term without adding stabilizers. I use 30 gallon drums they will fill my truck twice per drum. After 6 months the gas is so stale it won't run worth a dang without Stabil or other stabilizers and even then it will only store about a year. Propane for small engines and tractors is the best way to store long term. (YouTube has many videos for converting small engines.) Buy and fill every propane tank you find at yard sales and keep them in a cool place they will store for years.
Mark
 
#14 ·
I don't know how you're experiencing problems, but I have stored regular E-10 gasoline with no stabilizers of any kind for over a year and burned it with zero problems. The trick is that the container holding it must be completely air tight. If the light ends of the gasoline are allowed to evaporate, it won't burn properly.

To revive stale gas, mix PRI-G at twice the recommended level.

Also, you can mix stale gas with good gas up to 50/50, and it will burn just fine.
 
#15 ·
thanks. no worries I am not saying i would steal... if clearly abandoned is what i mean, and its really a hypothetical total disaster scenario question that i just was thinking bout not something that will happen. in lesser disaster, no scavenging, I'll take your advice to store some with preservative. Good info tho, i was thinking wreckers but i walk away with golf courses! anyways thinking things out like this just makes you more knowledgeable in general, and this forum is the place to do it
 
#24 ·
LOL, if I still had a functional cat one of the things I would soon do is run a steel pipe through it. Cats reduce your gas mileage while providing no useful upside unless you buy into the whole AGW thing. I don't.
 
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On my way into town is an atv repair shop that always has 3 dozen atvs sitting around outside, past that is a motor cycle repair shop he too has a parking lot full of bikes, then not far from me is a golf course that has about 40 gas power carts sitting around. I think finding gas would be easy for a while. But like everyone has said store it before you need it.
 
#30 ·
If things get REALLY bad, the power transformers (like on power poles) are filled with mineral oil, which will run in diesels.

If an EMP has destroyed, damaged the grid, then the local electric utility will have many of the transformers sitting around. Most contain about 30-50 gallons each

Many of the larger pad mounted ones, also contain mineral oil, and some even have drain plugs.

However, this would also delay a return to normal--you would have to way the immediate benefits, to long term.