still havent goten a quite clear answer what im trying to find is comparing true apples to apples. it was once mentioned that the hole AR vs. Ak debate is not valid because its not comparing apples to apples more like apple to oranges. so i wana compare Apples to apples. if you were to take an ak platform and an ar platform same caliber would they be compareable. every one states they prefer the ar platform because the .223 or 5.56 ammo can be accurate out to said meters. well if ak platform was to shoot same performance wise if the caliber was the same as the ar platform such as the .223 or 5.56. of coarse the first thing every one will know is my firearm background but im not talking about "MY" accuracy with these rifles i want the statisticts. i could quote many that some state the ar in .223 is "accurate" out to 800 meter range. and then they say the ak in 7.62 is "accurate" out to 400-500 meters. so lets make it apples to apples chose your caliber and compare which ever it may be .223, .308 or any other that both platforms are produced in.