Survivalist Forum banner
  • Are you passionate about survivalism? Would you like to write about topics that interest you and get paid for it? Read all about it here!
21 - 36 of 36 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
163 Posts
The Tula 124gr HP ammo is hit or miss on whether or not you get 8m3. I ordered 200rds from a vendor and they came in the 20rd boxes and 6 of the 10 boxes had 8m3 bullets, the other 4 were regular HP rds without the prefail cuts. I may place an order for this stuff since it's marked 8m3.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,760 Posts
got a pic of the attachment?
thought they were training rounds.
Doubtful I'll be able to find one for a Valmet (those blanks are Finnish, only people who used wood tipped blanks and not crimped blanks on their 7.62X39 guns). Very rare item, no one can find them.



Here's a good idea of what one could look like. I've seen various set ups, but the idea is to turn the wood into saw dust and splinters so you won't kill someone. But still, having been shot with a woodtip at close range myself coming out of a shredder... It's like getting shot with birdshot... It's not pleasant. Wood tips use real back pressure from a, "bullet", to cycle the action where as crimped blanks just use a restricted orifice at the end of the barrel to create pressure. Wood tips are much more reliable and feed WAYYYYYYYY better. But, it's old technology. Not many armies use them anymore because of how dangerous they are. The last country I know of that still used a wood tipped bullet is Egypt, and their bullet is plastic. Black plastic, 7.62X54R. Used for PKM machine guns in training. I only know this weird stuff because of all my reenacting experience...
 

·
Have gun, will travel.
Joined
·
136 Posts
Does anyone know anything about the 122gr TulAmmo HP that looks just like the 8M3? It has three pre-fails; no one seems to have done any experimenting with it yet.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
491 Posts
Discussion Starter · #27 ·
I have some 7.62x39 Herter's(relabelled, most likely tula or uly manufactured) 122 gr.that appears to have pre-fail cuts and absolutely exploded into shards after being shot into a water jug. not the most reliable test, but it seems to be out there. Also my 124 gr. Tula seems to have the cuts as well, but I haven't shot it into anything yet.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
491 Posts
Discussion Starter · #28 ·
I found a nice bit of information from ar15.com forums to share from MeatAxe556.

Update –– I got an email from the head of Tulammo about the Tula 124 gr. HPs:

"I wanted to respond to your email, but I was waiting to receive a definitive response from Ulyanovsk before I replied. The Tulammo HP bullet you refer to below is the only bullet currently being imported into the U.S. from the Ulyanovsk factory in Russia. The “T” in Tulammo stands for The Tula Cartridge Company. The “UL” stands for The Ulyanovsk Cartridge Company. Until you asked the question, I was under the assumption that all of the 124 GR. HP bullets had the necessary cuts inside the bullet to provide a similar effect as the 8M3. I was informed today, that under their manufacturing guidelines, roughly 10% of the production could have bullets that might not have as detailed cuts as the 8M3. For your information, this is the exact same guideline that has been in place since the first Ulyanovsk production was imported into the U.S. Nothing has changed at the Ulyanovsk factory concerning this over the past twenty years of Russian imports into the U.S. I have only been involved with the two Russian factories since November of 2009. Prior to that, I owned Sellier & Bellot, USA. If I had known of the discrepancy, I would have informed Ulyanovsk that 100% of the bullets (no manufacturing process for bullets will always guarantee 100%) need to meet the criteria. Even though Ulyanovsk cannot specifically tell us the exact production requirements of the military 8M3 bullet, I was assured today that they will take the necessary steps to implement the production of any future Tulammo 124 GR. HP bullets as closely as possible to the 8M3.

Best regards,

Ed Grasso
President"



Apparently, I got some of the 10% of non-8M3 type bullets in my batch –– every box I've opened of my order was non 8M3. So, hopefully, Uly will up their QC and make sure we get all 8M3 type bullets in the future.

ETA: I'm not sure why Uly would not be open about the production requirements of the 8M3 bullet (didn't know the military used HPs under the Geneva Convention, etc.), or what the difference is between an 8M3 and an "8M3-type" bullet. It seem to me that if the 8M3 is as good as people say, Uly would be marketing the hell out of it as a superior stopper.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
491 Posts
Discussion Starter · #30 ·
That's the stuff!

I have both types of Tula available but my camera is usually too blurry on close up objects. I'll see if my phone camera is capable.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
163 Posts
Thanks for the updates guys!:thumb: I was under the impression that the 124gr was the actual 8m3 and the 122gr was "8m3-type". I think M4C.net had a breakdown about this, I'll try and find it.
 

·
Born to prep
Joined
·
3,753 Posts
When I was looking for postSHTF ammo in 7.62x39 I wolf found 154gr. Soft point steel jacketed ammo. It is a little slower but I think the mass will add to the knock down power.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
491 Posts
Discussion Starter · #33 ·
Quote from Brass Fetcher from THR archive:

This test was done in response to this thread : http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=269880

Many thanks to krochus for helping out with this test.

Cartridge : 7.62x39mm Wolf 154gr Soft Point

Firearm : 7.62x39mm rifle with 20" barrel length

Block calibration : 9.3cm @ 595 ft/sec

Single shot fired from 10' distance. Impacted the block at 2095 ft/sec, penetrated 16.3" of ballistic gelatin and ~ 5" of polyester fiber. Jacket was shed at 7.3" penetration.

Bullet was recovered at 0.476" average diameter and 114.7gr weight.
Sounds like a viable and nasty round.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,477 Posts

·
Have gun, will travel.
Joined
·
136 Posts
Regarding consistent accurate Russian 7.62x39 FMJ I've had good look with Golden Tiger:
Golden Tiger isn't a bad round. It has an air cavity up front just like 5.45X39 ammo- causes the bullet to rapidly destabilize and tumble upon impacting a target. Ouch!
 
21 - 36 of 36 Posts
Top