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Am I just being paranoid or...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/agenda-21-update-family-farms-are-under-attack/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/agenda-21-update-family-farms-are-under-attack/
Agenda 21 Update: Family Farms Are Under Attack
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i dont see how the fed dot can regulate it if your not going across state lines with it
that said i dont think that theres a snoballs chance in hell they will pass or be able to implement it because all my farming friends are too buisy to take some stupid test and since the equipment stays on there property any way you would be tresspassing to try to **** with it and if you start trapsing on farmland here un invited and unnanounced your likely to not leave
and since tractors dont have licence plates or things like that how will they know what your operating? you dont need a cdl for a bulldozer or backhoe are they next?
personaly i wouldnt worry about it
thinkin bout pencil pushin city folks comming onto farms looking for licences reminded me about this song
that said i dont think that theres a snoballs chance in hell they will pass or be able to implement it because all my farming friends are too buisy to take some stupid test and since the equipment stays on there property any way you would be tresspassing to try to **** with it and if you start trapsing on farmland here un invited and unnanounced your likely to not leave
and since tractors dont have licence plates or things like that how will they know what your operating? you dont need a cdl for a bulldozer or backhoe are they next?
personaly i wouldnt worry about it
thinkin bout pencil pushin city folks comming onto farms looking for licences reminded me about this song
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I believe the story did mention that any/all operators of farm equipment were going to be required to get CDL's, because the feds were going to re-classify them as commercial vehicles. As far as the other points you made, they seem valid to me...but I'm just not willing to put anything past the Federal Government at this point. Nothing but a bunch of communist and socialist that need to be watched like hawks!
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I don't believe a license of any type is required to operate any vehicle on private land. Now if you wanted to take the equipment on a public road, they may have a case.
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Interesting tidbit. I'm not sure how or if this pertains. For years I operated spotter trucks and cranes moving hazardous loads on federal property working for union pacific. without a valid drivers license. And they knew. Wasn't a problem. A few years after 9/11 it became an issue. You couldn't work a ramp without a valid license. Some changes in the law or another.
Seems like this is what they are lookign to do to private farms? And mind you although they would have a helluva time enforcing it, they COULD if they wanted to, or wanted to target a specific family farm for a reason. perhaps shutting it down and getting it put up for sale? (I'm really reaching here, but if someone wanted to landgrab a connected large chunk of land, to connect their corporate farm... hmmm)
I wonder why this is being attempted to be put on the books?
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Soros' companies are buying a lot of farm and vacant land.
Mega farming GMO's is the future.
As for the little guy, Soros and his type will get their minions to launch complaints about your noise, or that your wandering animals cause a danger threat to motorists, or (and this is already happening in Canada) they will say your pigs are threatening the aquafer with their dangerous greenhouse gas wastes.
The local cops are in the pocket of big business.
It's already happening in the States with chicken owners:
Mega farming GMO's is the future.
As for the little guy, Soros and his type will get their minions to launch complaints about your noise, or that your wandering animals cause a danger threat to motorists, or (and this is already happening in Canada) they will say your pigs are threatening the aquafer with their dangerous greenhouse gas wastes.
The local cops are in the pocket of big business.
It's already happening in the States with chicken owners:
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I don't know about everywhere else but in Texas off road equipment does not even have title transferred, you buy it with a bill of sale so how are they going to track it to reclassify it? Just don't see the mechanism to do this. People are out ther using 20 year old tractors & other equipment and buying used from one private party to another so its not like they can just go pull sales from dealers and have all they need. We only have one backhoe that was purchased new from a dealer everything else was purchased used from private parties. Now if you are using pulic roads to move them maybe they will have a way to catch you and ticket you.
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I will not get a CDL to drive my tractor on my land. I have a 4x4 truck without a tag that I use around here.
The Feds have no say as to what goes on around here. As long as I'm not growing pot , which I think should be legal, nothing around here is any of their business.
The Feds have no say as to what goes on around here. As long as I'm not growing pot , which I think should be legal, nothing around here is any of their business.
I grew up on, and worked on other local farms. I doubht this will gain any steam in the house. But if it were to, damn.. Farmers across america, would be paying some cash. Up the insurance, and costs of getting workers liscensd. Though, would close he loop hole for un documented wokers. Not legal citizen, no CDL, No work. Labor costs go up for farmers. Bad all the way around for the farmer.
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1) YOU ARE NOT being paranoid
2) Agenda 21 and Obama, how are the feds gonna know? You are going to want to read this:
http://farmwars.info/?p=6530
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The problem with this thread is that this issue is a state issue not federal. I would not lend too much to this thread.
As a Firefighter we were threatened by the state for all apparatus drivers would need a CDL but then it was reversed as it caused way too much grief for our off the clock driving. Getting a simple fix it ticket became a mound out of a molehill issue. We are all exempt now.
You can't require somebody have a drivers license if they are driving on private property.
As a Firefighter we were threatened by the state for all apparatus drivers would need a CDL but then it was reversed as it caused way too much grief for our off the clock driving. Getting a simple fix it ticket became a mound out of a molehill issue. We are all exempt now.
You can't require somebody have a drivers license if they are driving on private property.
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IMO you should have to have a cdl to drive that truck. I don't see how any cdl could cause any issues for you off the clock. In reality the only difference is that you get a federal background check and you can't be more than .04 on a drunk test. Just because you're a firefighter doesn't mean you have any more common sense or respect for the vehicle that you're driving than a regular ol truck driver. The feds took over the entire cdl program so it's federal not state, just wait, they'll require it for you eventually
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You are not wrong to question both the motives and ultimately the intelligence of the Obama administration. They are trying every thing they can think of to destroy productive jobs in America.
Reclassifying ag equipment as commercial vehicles? They dont want to leave any room for small, non corporate farmers. Next they will classify all farm kids as union workers and demand their parent negogiate with the local to get he kid to mow grass or feed the chickens.
What kind of urban centered, pig headed fool came up with that one. That's right, Tom Vilsac is now Ag Secretary. He was always a pig headed fool as Govenor of Iowa.
They must really hate farmers and all of rural America. Too much clinging going on there.
Reclassifying ag equipment as commercial vehicles? They dont want to leave any room for small, non corporate farmers. Next they will classify all farm kids as union workers and demand their parent negogiate with the local to get he kid to mow grass or feed the chickens.
What kind of urban centered, pig headed fool came up with that one. That's right, Tom Vilsac is now Ag Secretary. He was always a pig headed fool as Govenor of Iowa.
They must really hate farmers and all of rural America. Too much clinging going on there.
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This is pretty much my understanding and yes, I operated a lot of farm machinery from the age of 12 on. You can let someone without a license pretty much operate just about anything on private land and the DOT can't say "boo" because they just plain have no jurisdiction there.
I am betting that this regulation only applies to farm machinery when on a public road where DOT has jurisdiction. Given the size and nature of some of this equipment, I am not sure I have a problem with this. A lot of farm equipment, if it has to move any real distance, is generally trucked/trailered anyway - it doesn't make sense to try to drive a 20 MPH tractor that has a high operating cost and isn't very safe at speed, very far on a public road. Most farmers just don't do that anymore. My grandfather was hit on one of his tractors - totalled the tractor and threw him in the ditch - he could have easily been killed.
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A reasonable administration would restrict driving self powered ag equipment to a modest distance on public roads and remove the "Farm Truck" exclusion used by many farmers for their semis.
A reasonable administration would call for farmers to have "Non Comercial CDL" meaning they are not for hire. That class license requires extensive testing and on road demonstration using the equipment. But not the log book or the biannual physical.
I don't expect this administration to be reasonable. Not at all.
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I am not thinking this is the case. My source said yes on PRIVATE land for PRIVATE USE you can let your 12 yr old drive all day. But operating a vehicle on PRIVATE land for COMMERCIAL PURPOSES (in exchange for money, goods or services) is a whole 'nother ball of string.
So farmer Jones down the road, cannot hire your 12 yr old son and your John Deere to plow his fields on his land, nor can Joe Doaks and Sons Wheat Harvesting use his 12 yr old son to harvest the wheat on your farm if you are paying Joe Doaks to do so.
Commercial Vs Private use...
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A DOT(Department Of Transportation) officer stopped at a ranch in Texas and talked with an old rancher. He told the rancher, "I need to inspect your ranch for illegally driven tractors." The rancher said, "Okay, but do not go in that field over there," as he pointed out the location.
The DOT officer verbally exploded saying, "Mister, I have the authority of the Federal Government with me." Reaching into his rear pant's pocket, he removed his badge and proudly displayed it to the rancher.
"See this badge? This badge means I am allowed to go wherever I wish . . . on any land. No questions asked or answered. Have I made myself clear? Do you understand?"
The rancher nodded politely, apologized, and went about his chores.
A short time later, the old rancher heard loud screams and saw the DOT officer running for his life chased by the rancher's big Santa Gertrudis bull. With every step the bull was gaining ground on the officer and it seemed likely that he would be gored before he reached safety. The officer was clearly terrified..
The rancher threw down his tools, ran to the fence and yelled at the top of his lungs. . .
"Your badge.. Show him your BADGE!"
The DOT officer verbally exploded saying, "Mister, I have the authority of the Federal Government with me." Reaching into his rear pant's pocket, he removed his badge and proudly displayed it to the rancher.
"See this badge? This badge means I am allowed to go wherever I wish . . . on any land. No questions asked or answered. Have I made myself clear? Do you understand?"
The rancher nodded politely, apologized, and went about his chores.
A short time later, the old rancher heard loud screams and saw the DOT officer running for his life chased by the rancher's big Santa Gertrudis bull. With every step the bull was gaining ground on the officer and it seemed likely that he would be gored before he reached safety. The officer was clearly terrified..
The rancher threw down his tools, ran to the fence and yelled at the top of his lungs. . .
"Your badge.. Show him your BADGE!"
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Maybe, but I doubt it. I have seen a lot of people go off half-cocked in response to these kinds of rumors - especially the conspiracy theorist websites - it is how they generate excitement and traffic to their sites which in turn generates ad revenue. In my experience the real story is much more mundane and harmless.
Not saying that the government isn't capable of thinking like this, but I doubt the assertion that this applies to private land and from what I can google it only applies to public roads.
http://hymark.blogspot.com/2011/08/tractor-cdls.html
Personally, I don't think the DOT needs to get involved even for the case where it is a public road - there just isn't that many miles traveled or time on the public roads. Most equipment that is moved any real distance is trucked/trailered. Otherwise the distances are and time are very short.
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