[Sourdough]

.crash IN the plane, rather than crashing the plane!

I've crashed three, it is actually fun, till it comes to a complete stop.

 

[Sourdough]

Do you pull out and trash the transponder and ELT when you do that? Asking for a friend....

The "one" time, I did it was at the request of the plane's rightful owner. It was IMC conditions, and he was a better pilot then me, but not IFR.

 

[Outpost75]

The "one" time, I did it was at the request of the plane's rightful owner. It was IMC conditions, and he was a better pilot then me, but not IFR.

Go forth and sin no more.

 

[GunDog]

In the unlikely event that I have to Bug Out, I would not contact or communicate with anyone. I wouldn’t trust anyone. If you go a church it may already taken over by bad guys or government agents. Trust no one ot nothing.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

Construction sites. Often you can find buildings under construction that are fully enclosed yet months from completion. I know of one that has been under construction for decades. If you are handy you can take some drywall or plywood and box off a false room and noone will be the wiser.

 

[Outpost75]

In the unlikely event that I have to Bug Out, I would not contact or communicate with anyone. I wouldn’t trust anyone. If you go a church it may already taken over by bad guys or government agents. Trust no one ot nothing.

OK I understand your paranoia and feel for you.

The GUMMINT and Fed agents don' t crash in churches! They commandeer the Motel 6.

I've stayed in churches MANY times. Just act cordial and normal. Don't be an a-hole. Introduce yourself. Honestly explain your situation. I show my ID as a courtesy so the pastor knows that I am not an insane wierdo, though few pastors ever ask for it. But when you lay out your cards honestly this is always appreciated, regardless of the church denomination.

Offer to help with their normal shelter routine. Especially if you have specialized training as shelter manager, EMT, LE .

After tornadoes, hurricanes or wildfires you are probably not the only one being sheltered. Offer advice and assistance based upon your training and experience. Help with intake, in the kitchen, triage of sick or injured, serve meals, wash dishes, sweep and mop floors. Hold hands and pray with them to comfort and console the hurting, if that's all you are OK with.

I always keep my weapon concealed and discreet so as not to "scare the natives." There have been a few times when I had to intervene to help de-escalate an EDP situation. Very common under disaster stress. Command presence works. The great majority of the time de-escalation can be done verbally and accomplished without going hands on. Only once did I need to cuff anyone. Once the cuffs came out I had multiple helpers jump in to help restrain the woman and prevent injury. It was just a panic attack and nothing threatening. Could have easily gone bad had anyone over-reacted.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

I STOLE an airplane once, it was very-very easy. Many don't even require an ignition key. Just turn on the mags. and the fuel, hand prop for starting, and you're on your way.

Hmm, were you barefoot when you stole it? This sounds familiar...

 

[Cigars]

Wherever you wind up, make sure you have a Sillcock key. This way you can get water from the spigot outside of commercial buildings. You know, those spigots with no knob on them. I keep one in the glove box of each of our vehicles. They're cheap and you can find them at most hardware stores or Amazon.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

Wherever you wind up, make sure you have a Sillcock key. This way you can get water from the spigot outside of commercial buildings. You know, those spigots with no knob on them. I keep one in the glove box of each of our vehicles. They're cheap and you can find them at most hardware stores or Amazon.

That is a great idea. Speaking of keys, I have a keyring of dozens of random keys. You can rake most cheap locks with a key that fits the keyway.

 

[44 Guy]

Two BOVs you may want to consider. Both are quiet and low tech. A bike can cover 8 to 10 miles in an hour and haul more than a backpack. 3 or 4 hour should get you out of most big cities.
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A kayak can carry a lot and is very quiet and dependable. Obviously low tech. I think most larger cities were developed around rivers. There is a good chance the bad guys won’t be setting up road blocks on rivers.
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No kayak for me......been there, done that. Lost all my weapons in a horrible kayaking accident.....

 

[Mtnman Mike]

Is there a place in a city that might be useful as a bo place that most people - hopefully all - will not think about? Some places I have thought about that might potentially be useful are:

• refuse transfer station - I know...go ahead and say it...this idea stinks but if trash is not being collected, no one is likely to be working there...carefully dig a hole and hide out for a couple of days. If there is organic matter there, it also might be producing methane, which means that it might be warmer in the ground than other places.
• around water treatment plants - they tend to have a wide belt of land around them and are often landscaped.

These are not glamourous places, but if you needed a place to hang out for a while...and when you are desperate...

I truly hate big cities and dislike all cities and most towns for many reasons which I should not have to explain. I also try to watch as many apocalyptic movies as I can find over the years. Here is one that seems to answer your question

Quote from the link about it "Survivors of a nuclear attack are grouped together for days in the basement of their apartment building, where fear and dwindling supplies wear away at their dynamic."
It is apocalyptic and a horror movie. An interesting short trailer shown in this link >

The Divide (2011) - IMDb

The Divide: Directed by Xavier Gens. With Lauren German, Michael Biehn, Milo Ventimiglia, Courtney B. Vance. Survivors of a nuclear attack are grouped together for days in the basement of their apartment building, where fear and dwindling supplies wear away at their dynamic.

www.imdb.com

 

[CarCrazy]

Where you hide depends greatly on the why.

If having to hide, in order to escape, leads me to think of society collapse or you are running from LE. So I'll stay with the collpase scenario.

Churches and other such places will attract others trying to escape or hide. Crowds can increase safety, but can also hide the very wolves your hiding from.

I live near 5 large lakes and are tourist attractions. Kayaks and boats place a target out in open water for anyone on the shoreline. Kayaks, canoes and other slow paced vehicles can be easily overtaken by motorized watercraft. It is a good way to get around most everyone else clogging roadways, but has its own dangers.

Where you hide again would depend on the why. Pick loc's that have nothing to offer to anyone else, save simple shelter. Waste water offers nothing.
Trash dumps can be a treasure trove of supplies including food if one is hungry enough, so they could be an attraction for others.
Abandonded bldgs offer nothing, but the taller the better, the longer its been empty the better, but homeless and drugheads may have occupancy already.
Heavy construction equipment have several little nooks and crannies to hide in and offer nothing to the general public except diesel fuel. Can also become bov's as well...I have several keys in my bob for such a thing.

 

[Jdog67]

Wherever you wind up, make sure you have a Sillcock key. This way you can get water from the spigot outside of commercial buildings. You know, those spigots with no knob on them. I keep one in the glove box of each of our vehicles. They're cheap and you can find them at most hardware stores or Amazon.

Thanks for that, added one to my Amazon cart.

 

[gjkoenig]

I live in a very populated area, and, aside from County parks, the only other public open areas are really the thin land borders along the rivers. There is a gated reservoir several towns away that has a good buffer of land around it, and would provide a source of filterable water and possibly fishing. As with any populated area, however, someone else would have the same idea, almost guaranteed...sigh...In a major city, forget about it. Maybe for a short term stay, but a SHTF scenario works exponentially against you as time goes on.

 

[Iamfarticus]

I'd never considered my kayaks as BOVs. I have a pair of them, the river through town here can get a bit rough but with some skill would be survivable. I've I nly been down the river in a kayak once and that was enough for me 😆 I'll keep training my kids to use them.

You can cover a lot of ground quickly in a kayak. Once you get the hang of the paddle they move fast in calm waters. The ones I'm familiar with had a sealed compartment to stow gear in.

 

[JLW1974]

Just follow the meth-cookers...

 

[Forrest Mosby]

Good way to drown in flash flood area.

Yeah…Quicker than radiation

 

[Surveyor]

Box culverts under roadways

Probably not a good idea here in Florida

 

[Forrest Mosby]

Probably not a good idea here in Florida

Culverts in hill country have 30 ft of dirt and concrete over them…Smart money DOES say stay out of them if it’s raining

 

[zooeyhll]

Yep. Several years ago we had an outbreak of tornadoes during a bad rainstorm. One of our overzealous weather people got wound up and told people to "get underground NOW if they wanted to live" or some such other wording but you get it. A couple of "foreigners" (i.e., not from Oklahoma) got out of their cars and got down in a big culvert. They drowned. It was really pretty sad. And completely avoidable.

I agree. Hiding in a culvert or storm sewer is not a good idea.

Even if there isn't a drop of rain your area, they can still flood suddenly (and by that I mean, too fast to escape), from a storm or downpour miles away.

"Bugout places that nobody will think about"---those are usually spots that have a GOOD REASON that people avoid them.

I still think that the best "bugout" is to stay right where you are. Assuming there isn't active shelling going on (such as in a war zone), that destroys your location. Find ways to reinforce and secure your current location.

As others have suggested here---if you really need to "get out of Dodge":

1) Monitor the situation. And get out early enough, before things get bad. Leaving in a last minute panic, throwing your family and a few things into your car and heading blindly out into the unknown, is very risky.

2) Also as other have suggested---consider a bicycle. Especially for situations where traffic jams-lack of gas-etc., make getting out on a vehicle impossible. Plenty of good advice on this board for planning and using bicycles as a bug-out method.