For everything you ask a survival rifle to do a 9MMP is just to small.

 

I've been looking at a 9 mm carbine from Olympic Arms using Glock magazines for a training aid and plinking. I wouldn't want it as a primary survival firearm. But it would be a fun gun to have.

 

As a fun gun, go for it.

The only real benefit would be commonality of ammo between a sidearm and a carbine. The carbine's longer barrel, and longer sight radius, would give you better muzzle velocity and better accuracy, but in 9mm, not really worth the cost, IMHO.

Now, there are exceptions. With higher energy rounds, like most revolvers, and the 10mm, you get a good increase in performance in a round that already performs much better than 9mm. That's why you see a lot of .44mag and .357 mag leveractions paired with a sixgun. Even so, it's not a real rifle. Great for brush, dense woods, where you want a lot of power at close range and the ability to reach medium ranges with moderate/low power. At range, not competition for 5.56, let alone .308win.

For fun, you don't need any real arguments. Id love to have an uzi too. But their niche really is as a trunk gun for police, to reach a little bit further with more accuracy than their pistol can do. I'd love to havea PS90 in 10mm. Could probably get decent performance out of the round, too.

 

I think the Sterling and Suomi are kind of heavy. Don't know if they work any better than the lighter polymer offerings.

Speaking of polymer offerings, I was FINALLY able to test my Keltec Sub 2K the other day and was pretty pleased with the performance.

 

ruger pc9....no longer in production

 

Sterling magazines are expensive. The cheapest I have found is 20 dollars a piece but you have to buy ten to get that deal. To buy just one at a time they cost 30 dollars each which was the cheapest I have ever found. They are a blast to shoot though. Also the magazines say they take 34 but they work better with just 30 rounds in them. The folding stock designer must of loved having his fingers pinched. Also the way the magazine comes out of the left side can make it hard to keep the rifle straight. My friend threw a pistol grip on the gun which made it easier to shoot but makes the stock no longer fold able.

Over all sweet rifle carbine to shoot but past that not much use in a survival situation.

Buy one if you got a spare 400 dollars burning a hole in your pocket.

 

I don't own any of the ones you mentioned, but I do own a Marlin Camp 9. I absolutely love it. It would rank as one of my all time favorite guns. Fairly quiet, almost no recoil, cheap to shoot, accurate, and effective within 100 yards. For a fun gun, it's tops. Of limited used in defense, but as with 99% of my guns, that's not why I own it.

 

9mm rifle/smg

When I was the Law Enforcement Distributor for Colt Firearms (and H&K) I had 2 of the Colt 9mm SMG....(ClassIII/Full Auto) for sales samples, and shot them quiet a bit making sales to Law Enforcement Agencies. Naturally the full auto weapon may not be something you would have access to ( w/o the tax stamp/license.....or the higher cost/etc) but they shot great. And in comparison to the HK MP5's price wise, was about 1/2 the cost. A legal short barrel verison may be something to look at. True, 9mm it's not the best all around "survival" round....but if you look at history and to see how many German troops w/ MP38/40's, Israeli soilders w/ their issued Uzi SMG's...maybe it's not so scary of a thought. If I had to rethink the "weapons dept" for my survival, being deep in the piney woods, it would be just a 1911 .45ACP pistol and a Thompson M1-1928 SMG in .45ACP w/ a mountain of ammo, since my farthest shot would be 50-75 yds.

 

Velocity gains are modest for 9mm fired from a rifle as opposed to a pistol. The best velocity gains for handgun ammo in a rifle comes in magnum rounds. You do get the benefit of a longer sight radius, though, as well as some possible logistical advantages since it's a common and readily available type of ammunition that you might also use in a handgun.

 

Where did find a camp gun, Mike, and how much did it run you?Ever since I first heard of 'en, been wanting the .45 model, but every gun shop I've talked to has never heard of them.

 

A 9mm rifle would be a fun gun. It is attractive because the ammo can be reloaded quickly on a progressive press and it is compatible with pistols. I guess you could use a progressive on rifle too, but the necked cases take a bit more care.

 

They are neat weapons.......Bad thing about those Camp 9mm's and 45's alot of them had internal parts made out of plastics ( polymers)....another weapon hard to find parts for. we had a used one come thur here a while back.......front sight was glued on.....first round fired it popped off....mag catch had issues.......and dont remember, something w/ the trigger group thou.....so I guess while they shoot ........they are neat guns...just a question how much to depend on..........when the shooting starts....

 

There sure was alot of american troops killed by german troops with 9mm MP38s.I have a 9mm carbine that I have taken Deer with at 100 yards so tell me why a 9mm is not a good survival carbine.It will put meat on the table can kill humans if needed and ammo is easy to "find". I live in the woods so long shots is just not there.

 

Here is my M31 Suomi. At 15.5 lbs fully loaded (drum), it ain't for the kids. But, on the flip side, it don't kick at all. In about 2,000 rounds I have not had one malfunction, with 36rd stick magazines or 71rd drums.:thumb:
Very accurate I might add. I am thinking about registering it as an SBR just to make it closer to the original.

Al

 

I own a Marlin Camp 9 also. mags interchange with the S&W 5900 series - of which I carry.
past 150yds the slug really drops in trajectory

 

Camp carbine and the S&W 59 pistols use the same mag which made it a nice combo for the patrol car. Since I can't find a replacement Camp carbine I'm considering the the Colt.

 

Marlin Camp Carbine.

With the right magazines, you can have a capacity of 25 or more. Two loaded magazines and you have 50 rounds easily available.

9mm +P coming out of a rifle is on par with .357 Magnum coming out of a revolver, in velocity and ballistics. It is plenty powerful for home defense and self defense.

It is too powerful for small animals such as squirrels, and too weak for deer IMO unless you are within about 15 yards, so it does have limits.

At risk of going on and on about my current interest, I bought a Marlin 1894C in .357 Magnum to serve a similar purpose. It can also shoot .38 Special. It holds 11 rounds of .38 Special (10 in the tube, 1 in the barrel). With .38 Special, it can be a decent squirrel gun or self-defense gun. With .357 Magnum, it can be a decent deer gun or self-defense gun.

 

Don't forget the Keltek sub2000, Highpoint, and 9mm versions of the tommy gun that take sten mags. I'd call them all just as good a choice for home defense and varmint extermination as any 9mm handgun without the permit requirement... and ammo is a whole lot cheaper than 45 ACP.

 

I looked at the sub2000 and want one. I'm not sure how good they are, tho reviews seem pretty good; however, I'm not sure that the OP is looking for something like that. I think he wants more old-school?

 

anyone that says that a 9mm is not a good choice for SHTF does not know what they're talking about, in a urban situation it will be excellent, people talk about range but 150 yard engagements are RARE and usually avoided, a 9mm will take out a deer, i have personally seen it done (80 yards), the deer dropped 5 yards away from where it was shot... the ammo is really cheap, 20 cents? and not to mention it is very popular, it is a great option for anyone on a budget or wants to be easily mobile, and with a sub 2000, you can have a glock that will be interchangeable with your carbine. they're light, accurate out to 150 yards, recoil is minimal (good for follow up shots), cheap ammo, good punch with right ammo, easy to suppress sound

 

get a keltec sub 2000 9mm,they take glock 30 round mags and they fold in half for easy transportation

 

Not to disagree with the other guys about the sub 2000, I have one and love it for what it is. I wouldnt however trust it without a ton of modifications. Its great for plinking, but one wrong fall and this gun is toast. Now the old sub 9(which they dont make anymore) I would trust that one, but this is my opinion.

 

agreed the JRC 9mm seems like a nice option for a durable rifle, i heard the construction on it is nice

 

I am building my wife a 9mm AR (still waiting on the barreled upper from RRA), she claimed the 5.56 20" heavy barrel was "too heavy". I really thought she could handle the recoil, noise, and weight of a 16" barrel 9mm over the other.

Also, in our state we are allowed to purchase silencers now. I might consider one of these in the future and with 147gr subsonic 9mm rounds these would really shine. The gun would be very quiet and since I already stock 9mm for some handguns that I own, the rifle seems more than just a "fun gun" because I will shoot it, my wife will shot it, and if the crap hits the fan it will be her self-defense gun.

 

I am really wanting a suomi!!! I currently own or have owned 3 hipoint carbines. The old style 9mm, the new 995ts in 9mm, and the new 4595 in. 45acp. They are fun guns but the low capacity mags just don't do it for me. Unfortunately, the suomi's have recently went up in price a bit just recently.

 

I sold my Hi-Point and put the money towards my Suomi.:thumb:
By the way Suomis are $399 at Centerfire right now.
http://centerfiresystems.com/rifle-suomi.aspx

Al

 

I have a MkIII Sten that's semiauto. I built it from a demilled parts set and a kit from Indianapolis Ordnance. There was a bit of cutting, welding and heat treating to do on the build not too difficult to do though. It is not likely to win any beauty contests but neither would the originals. It is a bit heavy, but fun and pretty reliable once I polished out the feed ramp.
I too would love one of those Suomi's.

 

The only old school carbine I have in 9mm is a destroyer carbine. In all fairness though it's 9mm largo rather than 9mm luger.