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I am curious about your thoughts and ideas on the 9mm AR-15. Specifically its practicality in SHTF situations and other survival situations.
MP5..... I think more like $35,000 But a .22 semi version sounds like some fun!I'm going to have to do some research on this but a company was making copy MP5's in .22 and i've seen them i just cannot remember who it was. The MP5 is the ultimate CQB weapon in 9MM and was mainly available with i believe a class 3 firearms license for $3000 to $6000. However i've heard from my local gun dealer that in the next few months this company making the copy version in .22 is about ready to start producing them in 9MM semi auto and a price of about 750.00+ which is a good deal if you want a 9MM rifle. I found it online it is the GSG5 if anyone was curious.
Why, I guess that I am trying to keep the diversity of ammunition for the weapons I have to under 6 or so. I have both 5.56 M4 and 9mm pistol and have built a CMMG lower for 9mm with the removable magwell block as to not limit the modularity of this AR platform in the future. Just waiting on a few things before I get the upper.One question WHY? If your going to have a AR then you should have it in 5,56 or 6.8 etc; If you want a 9mm you can always have a hand gun as a back up for the same cost as a upper. If it was in the MP5/UZI form for close quarters then yes it would serve well.
9mm will be every where because the pistols are cheap, plentiful, and ubiquitous. Not everyone spent ~$1,000 on an AR.If SHTF would it be a reasonable argument to say the 6.8 and even 5.56 would be harder to come by than 9mm?
Makes sense, It would make a good short range weapon in a SHTF situation. Once you get it together give us an update on it. If you need a source for mags these guys are decent http://www.44mag.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CP9Why, I guess that I am trying to keep the diversity of ammunition for the weapons I have to under 6 or so. I have both 5.56 M4 and 9mm pistol and have built a CMMG lower for 9mm with the removable magwell block as to not limit the modularity of this AR platform in the future. Just waiting on a few things before I get the upper.
If SHTF would it be a reasonable argument to say the 6.8 and even 5.56 would be harder to come by than 9mm?
I agree with Cannon Fodder on this one. I used a 9mm colt AR subgun on entry for many years. We quickly learned its limitations. If you are going to carry a long gun, use a long gun caliber. The only reason we used the 9mm is because the powers that be thought a 9mm would penetrate walls less than a 223 and we could fire 3 rounds into a target fast and keep moving. Ain't worth spit at a hundred yards in combat.I don't understand the concept of pistol-caliber AR's. That totally negates the reason you're carrying a rifle in the first place. They are so pricey, you could have essentially the same thing with a hi-point carbine. For much less cash.
If you already have it in the 5.56MM and just feel like having one in 9MM then have at it. That being said, the 5.56MM will defeat body armor while the 9MM won't and mags are more expensive (the one's made by Colt). I have fired the 9MM guns and they are fun to shoot, but I carry the 5.56MM at work.I have completed my 9mm carbine and after only running 500 rounds (with out a hiccup) I am 100% certain that this puppy has its place in a SHTF situation. As stated before in the responses to this thread there are pros and cons to the 9mm in a carbine platform... . .but there are pros and cons to every caliber in any platform. With that being said I would say, If I had to reach behind door number 3 and choose only one long gun.. . .I believe the 9mm carbine would probably be it. Door number 3 choices being: Remington 11-87, Rugar 10/22, Wilson Combat 5.56 and the newly added 9mm carbine.
I built this carbine mostly for fun and somewhat out of boredom and after running her through her paces its hard to deny the shear firepower and potential that it is capable of.. . . 32rd mags/100rd drums... . .cheap ammo compared to 5.56 and 30 calibers... and while only being semi-automatic having the ability to empty a 32rd mag in under 5 seconds can provide some serious suppression all the while having the ability to keep it in the 10 ring at 50 yards.
Now I know you are saying why the 9 over the 5.56? And my answer I guess would be directed towards current living situations. Dense urban. So penetration is an issue (which I guess it relative). With that being said I do believe that in the sticks I would also be capable of taking small to medium game with the 9mm knowing that the 5.56 would be superior. And I guess one more slight advantage is the direct gas blow back of the pistol caliber carbines...very simple and very effective.