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What do ya know...The US and English governments have been lying to us since WWI.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nges-Allied-claims-solely-passenger-ship.html


ecret of the Lusitania: Arms find challenges Allied claims it was solely a passenger ship

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Her sinking with the loss of almost 1,200 lives caused such outrage that it propelled the U.S. into the First World War.

But now divers have revealed a dark secret about the cargo carried by the Lusitania on its final journey in May 1915.

Munitions they found in the hold suggest that the Germans had been right all along in claiming the ship was carrying war materials and was a legitimate military target.
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Doomed: A contemporary view of the sinking of the Lusitania off Ireland in May 1915

The Cunard vessel, steaming from New York to Liverpool, was sunk eight miles off the Irish coast by a U-boat.

Maintaining that the Lusitania was solely a passenger vessel, the British quickly accused the 'Pirate Hun' of
slaughtering civilians.

The disaster was used to whip up anti-German anger, especially in the U.S., where 128 of the 1,198 victims came from.

A hundred of the dead were children, many of them under two.

Robert Lansing, the U.S. secretary of state, later wrote that the sinking gave him the 'conviction we would ultimately become the ally of Britain'.

Americans were even told, falsely, that German children were given a day off school to celebrate the sinking of the Lusitania.

The disaster inspired a multitude of recruitment posters demanding vengeance for the victims.
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One, famously showing a young mother slipping below the waves with her baby, carried the simple slogan 'Enlist'.

Two years later, the Americans joined the Allies as an associated power - a decision that turned the war decisively against Germany.

The diving team estimates that around four million rounds of U.S.-manufactured Remington .303 bullets lie in the Lusitania's hold at a depth of 300ft.

The Germans had insisted the Lusitania - the fastest liner in the North Atlantic - was being used as a weapons ship to break the blockade Berlin had been trying to impose around Britain since the outbreak of hostilities in August 1914.

Winston Churchill, who was first Lord of the Admiralty and has long been suspected of knowing more about the circumstances of the attack than he let on in public, wrote in a confidential letter shortly before the sinking that some German submarine attacks were to be welcomed.
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He said: 'It is most important to attract neutral shipping to our shores, in the hope especially of embroiling the U.S. with Germany.

'For our part we want the traffic - the more the better and if some of it gets into trouble, better still.'

Hampton Sides, a writer with Men's Vogue in the U.S., witnessed the divers' discovery.

He said: 'They are bullets that were expressly manufactured to kill Germans in World War I - bullets that British officials in Whitehall, and American officials in Washington, have long denied were aboard the Lusitania.'

The discovery may help explain why the 787ft Lusitania sank within 18 minutes of a single German torpedo slamming into its hull.

Some of the 764 survivors reported a second explosion which might have been munitions going off.

Gregg Bemis, an American businessman who owns the rights to the wreck and is funding its exploration, said: 'Those four million rounds of .303s were not just some private hunter's stash.

'Now that we've found it, the British can't deny any more that there was ammunition on board. That raises the question of what else was on board.

'There were literally tons and tons of stuff stored in unrefrigerated cargo holds that were dubiously marked cheese, butter and oysters.

'I've always felt there were some significant high explosives in the holds - shells, powder, gun cotton - that were set off by the torpedo and the inflow of water. That's what sank the ship.'

Mr Bemis is planning to commission further dives next year in a full-scale forensic examination of the wreck off County Cork.
 

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Supposedly, the ship was also diverted by the Brits and purposly sent into a known u-boat controled area and, was traveling "blacked out" which passenger ships didn't do.
 

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1eaglescout I do not mean to belittle your post. My apologies if I sarcasm is offensive. I have long ago lost trust or respect for the leadership of our country or any other. I love my country for what it is meant to stand for Freedom, Dignity and Honor but I fear what it has become.
 

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My apologies if I sarcasm is offensive.
No worries, my reaction was about the same.

Years ago I read a story in readers digest about the ship moving war material. It actually said more or less what we are reading now, they just didn't have the "smoking gun". It also mentioned the ship being sent into U-boat infested waters more or less as a sitting duck.
 

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There's more

I have heard for many years that passenger ships were being used for the shipment of arms and ammo from the U.S. to Britian. This was being done to cause Germany to sink a passenger ship to thus give the U.S. a reason to enter the war. Think 9/11.:confused:
Lets us also not forget our introduction into WWII,"a day that will live in infamy".:eek:
 

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seriously starts to make me wonder if our country was EVER the country we thought it was.
Ah, our freind Dwind posts the question that has been rolling around in my head for a while.
Was there ever a time when we Americans were actually free, or has it all been one giant dog and pony show????????? In any event, I think we know the answer as far as today goes.
 

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So... Hunting ammunition was on board the Lusitania. Big deal. Military ammo on ships in the world wars generally involved 10 of millions of rounds. The amount of ammo on the ship doesn't sound like a huge military amount. Four millions rounds of ammo is nothing at all for the military. That almost has to be sporting or hunting ammo meant for a civilian market. The .303 rifle cartridge is and was even back then a very popular hunting round. Sure, it was also a military cartridge but most of the empire's ammo came from plants within Great Britain and nations of the empire. I can see that entire amount of ammo going to a distributor and then out to hardware stores, gun stores and sporting goods stores in very short order. I wonder what any papers with the ammo would or did say?
 

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You're kidding...right?
Churchill used the Lusi to try to suck the U.S. into WW1 .Fortunately,it didn't work,at least for a while. That many more Americans are alive for it.We had no stake in WW1.It was retarded to get involved. All it did was sow seed for WW2.
 

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So... Hunting ammunition was on board the Lusitania. Big deal. Military ammo on ships in the world wars generally involved 10 of millions of rounds. The amount of ammo on the ship doesn't sound like a huge military amount. Four millions rounds of ammo is nothing at all for the military. That almost has to be sporting or hunting ammo meant for a civilian market. The .303 rifle cartridge is and was even back then a very popular hunting round. Sure, it was also a military cartridge but most of the empire's ammo came from plants within Great Britain and nations of the empire. I can see that entire amount of ammo going to a distributor and then out to hardware stores, gun stores and sporting goods stores in very short order. I wonder what any papers with the ammo would or did say?
For bolt action rifles 4 Million rounds seems statistically significant to me

[edited, sorry i get too snappy on these boards sometimes]
 
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