This is confusing. These are the people who had personal protective gear, they were covered head to toe, they had training in how to avoid contamination and infection: Why are THEY getting sick?

Something's wrong here.

 

I have... Much downtime right now.

In my reading I came across a claim that even WITH all the PPE there was a 10-12% contamination rate through failure, contamination while taking PPE off, etc.


Can't speak to the quality of it, but....

 

Now is the time not to be a sheep and led to the slaughter. Take control. Question those in authority. Trust your gut. Take responsibility. Learn. You still have a window of opportunity but it is closing.

 

Just heard that CDC says we an can have 1.5 million people with Ebola by January if they "can't get a hold of this". What does that mean? It's double talk. You can't trust anything they say. It is clearly a lot more dangerous and transmitted than they said just two weeks ago. And why would they let people come and go from an area that has this epidemic without some monitoring?

 

Well the good news is they apparently mean world wide:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ebola-could-infect-one-half-million-soon-says-cdc-1467514

 

The fire is beginning to spread, if it gets to big they'll never put it out.

 

There's two -- TWO -- cases. It's a madhouse! A pandemic!

 

"There is no need to worry about the spread of the Ebola virus.""We are fully capable and trained to handle the Ebola virus!""Read my lips,no new taxes!""We will not put boots on the ground in the middle east!""Our economy is getting stronger...why just the other day!"
When the hell does the bulls**t stop? When the whole country is broke,broken,starving,and dying of some not from here death virus.We really need to drink our morning coffee and WAKE THE HELL UP!!

 

Blaming the Victim: CDC Director Rips Nurse Who Contracted Ebola, Issues Non-Apology After Your Host Calls Him on It

It was a breach in protocol... oh, of course!

 

There was an article this morning talking about the healthcare staff in Dallas having zero idea how to handle this situation and that is frigging scary! http://news.yahoo.com/dallas-nurses-cite-sloppy-conditions-ebola-care-042120774.html

Obviously we have no idea if it's airborne or not because our government isn't going to tell us which is unfortunate, but it is what it is. It would cause widespread panic at some point and probably bring down this fragile economy.

 

If you're waiting on or trusting the government on how to deal with anything, let alone a deadly virus, you might as well just start picking your casket colors...

 

I just watched CNN where they had a Union rep say that the nurses necks and heads were exposed and they weren't wearing shoe covers, etc. Inadequate protection. Plus the nurses were allowed to take care of other patients after taking care of Duncan.

Well, Dallas is turning into ground zero number 1 hotspot. Oh boy. :xeye: There'll be more confirmed in the next several days I bet.

 

they were not covered head to toe. They wore PPE (CDC Standard) which is gloves, gown, Goggle or face shield and mask (paper) Everyone thinks they were in HAZMAT mode.

Weren't the health care workers following the CDC guidelines for Ebola?

 

Viral tests take what? 24 hours?..so anyone that tests positive were at least positive for Ebola 24 hours ago..correct?

Workers in Africa have better protection and protocols then here in the west.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/13/ebola-nurses-describe-life-death-on-frontline-liberia-sierra-leone

 

Viral PCR results are almost instant.

 

People are quick to point out that they weren't wearing hazmat gear. Something isn't adding up here. The CDC keeps saying that only direct contact with bodily fluids is how this is transmitted. So if the workers were wearing even basic PPE then they should not be contracting the disease. Either the health care workers are screwing up somewhere along the line, or this is more transmissible than the CDC is telling us. You can't tell me that people who spend every day dealing with bodily fluids are now suddenly messing up and getting on themselves. Even more so now that they know the consequences of doing so. Who knows, maybe that is the case, but that just seems strange to me.

I'm not saying it's airborne yet, but I am saying that I think the CDC is downplaying the threat posed by particles released through coughing or sneezing as well as the ability of ebola to say alive on a surface.

 

The nurses union did a poll of nurse across the country (1600 I believe) and 76% said they have received no training or protocol on how to deal with ebola. Yep, it's all under control.

 

Because Ebola is contact and droplet precautions per the CDC, and RNs deal with that multiple times a month. There *are no* special protocols for Ebola in the US.

For droplet or contact, you use a dedicated disposable stethoscope that stays in the room. You put on a disposable yellow isolation gown that is slightly fluid resistant and ties in the back at the neck and waist, a procedure mask with an eye shield, a single set of gloves.

When you are done, you take off the ppe, stuff it in the trash can, wash your hands (or use the sanitizing gel) and hope that nothing soaked through your gown or splashed onto your legs or shoes.

If there is vomit or diarrhea (on the floor, on the bed, on the bed rails, wherever), you use towels to clean it up, throw it in the laundry in the room, and give the area it was in a quick spray with whatever cleaner is in the room. Hopefully it's disinfectant and hopefully it works against the particular pathogens in the room.

If it's on the floor, you'll spray the floor, drop a towel on it, then use your foot to move the towel around to dry it after you've cleaned up the biggest part.

You might not even spray the floor if you're busy and you got most of the crud up.

Then you'll wash your hands before you go into your other patient's room (hopefully -- unless that patient has been leaning on the call button yelling for his pain meds. Then you might just trust that when you washed your hands after leaving Pt A's room was good enough).

And this, boys and girls, is why CDiff and MRSA spread so easily in hospitals.

 

Great, just now being reported that the night before the second nurse was confirmed with Ebola she flew from Cleveland to Dallas on Frontier Airlines flight #1143.

Supposedly she was not showing symptoms therefore not contagious. But they are asking for people who flew on that airliner to report in and so can be monitored just to be on the safe side. Ohhh boy.

 

Supposedly she was not showing symptoms therefore not contagious. But they are asking for people who flew on that airliner to report in and so can be monitored just to be on the safe side. Ohhh boy.

You have to wonder how many people may have been exposed in Cleveland now too. If a cluster of infections break out there in a couple weeks, I guess we'll have an indication a person is infectious even without showing symptoms.

 

Dallas mayor said it may get worse before it gets better. He's obviously been briefed by someone..

Dallas Mayor: 'It May Get Worse Before it Gets Better'
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dallas-mayor-it-may-get-worse-it-gets-better_816316.html

 

I think we need to transport everyone who was exposed to Ebola, as well as those coming from African nations, immediately to the White House for a meet and greet with the potus, his family and top officials in the administration. Then, they should be taken to the Senate to meet and shake hands with the great Harry Reid and all of the Senators and their staff… hugging, ceremonial kisses on the cheek, and the usual warm greetings. Then, off to the house to meet Pelosi and other famous people for a nice sit down dinner. After that, I will have 100% confidence that this is not a problem, cannot be easily transmitted, and we can continue to receive the tens of thousands of legal and illegal people from Africa, which are then unceremoniously spread out across the entire US for all to enjoy (and support). :

 

Sounds like the second Dallas nurse traveled the day before showing signs. This was the biggest fear I had that all they had to do is infect a plain going to various other cities.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29632433

 

Just heard on the news here in Australia about the 2nd Health Care worker flying from Cleveland to Dallas the night before being confirmed with Ebola. I had to re read the statement (as the news came on tv) about 3 times. I was also thinking huh, Cleveland to Dallas. Does not make sense. So obviously it is safe for Health Care workers wearing minimal PPE to fly all over the countryside. What a mess. I feel for everyone in the United States, but I also worry, because I fear when it hit's Australia, our response will be much the same. Sigh !!!!

 

Consider that Dallas is an international hub for flights to other international hubs . . .

 

Third person relay update on the doc who was treated in Nebraska and readmitted in Massachusetts: He was put in a negative pressure ward, cdc testing was going to be done because relapse of ebola was suspected. Relapse was ruled out and cdc testing was not done. It was determined to be a respiratory illness and he has been released.

 

How did she fly to Cleveland on a Saturday and return on Tuesday,,, if she was being monitored daily?

 

How and WHY?

 

With enough infected ebola people, ISIS abound and what the hell american insurgent patriots too, the gov can finally get to crackin some heads. Those MRAPS and war gear are after all going to be used for something...

 

Soooo she treats an patient with Ebola, one of the nurses she works with contracts Ebola and she decides to go across the country to go visit family during the incubation period???? Why didnt she wait until she was 100% sure she could not have it!

 

Because she is an young, selfish moron.

 

Well, for those of you that live in Dallas.., sorry. Now of course, it's in Cleveland, and once again.., I'm sorry. I do believe it's out of the bag now. This thing is going to start popping up in all of our larger cities in the next two weeks. If that happens, (and I believe it will), watch the panic start. In fact, the panic might become worse than the disease itself. I live in Virginia, and when they just "predict snow", people clean out the bread, milk, and eggs from the stores. Hell, a few of them just run their cars into a ditch right off the bat just to get it over with. Watch the PANIC.

 

Well, for those of you that live in Dallas.., sorry. Now of course, it's in Cleveland, and once again.., I'm sorry. I do believe it's out of the bag now. This thing is going to start popping up in all of our larger cities in the next two weeks.

The potential is there, especially with Dallas and now Cleveland. Neither are small population areas and both are very busy in the air traffic area.

If that happens, (and I believe it will), watch the panic start. In fact, the panic might become worse than the disease itself. I live in Virginia, and when they just "predict snow", people clean out the bread, milk, and eggs from the stores. Hell, a few of them just run their cars into a ditch right off the bat just to get it over with. Watch the PANIC.

I am more worried about the panic than the disease. People get stupid when it rains, or there is a 'potential blizzard' incoming. Rational adults get stupid when they see a 'disaster' on the way, or a potential one.

 

So, if she flew the night before being diagnosed with Ebola, is she contagious at that point? I heard they took the plane out of commission to decontaminate.

 

They are saying she wasn't showing symptoms therefore she wasn't contagious. But they aren't taking any chances. But they are asking the passengers on that flight to check in and possibly be monitored now, and trying to decontaminate the plane but I think it's too late to do any good. Just my opinion.

 

Now they're cleaning the plane. How many times has it flown since she was on it? How many people have taken a ride on "PLANE 0", which is what I guess we'll end up calling it. I can hear that CDC director at the news conference now.., "if we had just known what we know now, we wouldn't have let that plane fly all over the country before we decided it might need to be decontaminated"...

You know.., this WHOLE THING SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN DONE ON PURPOSE !!! No, that can't be true.

 

Now they're cleaning the plane. How many times has it flown since she was on it? How many people have taken a ride on "PLANE 0", which is what I guess we'll end up calling it. I can hear that CDC director at the news conference now.., "if we had just known what we know now, we wouldn't have let that plane fly all over the country before we decided it might need to be decontaminated"...

Considering that most planes are on an almost immediate return or out to another airport, it could be quite a few people that were on that plane. How long is Ebola viable outside the host?

 

I used to wear Tyvec suits a lot when I spray painted. Face masks, head gear, all of it. Yet as careful as I was, trying to take all of the garb off when the job was done, inevitably I would get paint in several places on myself. I ordered myself thick, one piece rain suits with hoods, rubber boots, N95's, total face shields and lots of waterproof duct tape for the slight chance I would have to care for someone in my family. A total Sodium hypochlorite rinse 10 minutes before and after seems much more safe to me. You can't do that with a Tyvec suit or the kind of stuff health care workers wear. I also worked at a hospital for nearly 10 years. They do not want to pay the money for separate oxygen PPE's that they should have, and they will blame anyone but themselves should anything ever happen. It may not be long before we start hearing about the housekeepers getting this next, as well, because they are given even less protection to come in and clean up the messes.

 

I have to wear all types of special PPE at work. I would like to think it was to protect me but it's really to protect the company. I guess the idea of accidental exposure to deadly diseases must have slipped by the lawyers and insurance company's. I've worked in government clean rooms and all I can say is "what a joke". I guess I'm the only one who thought they would be using those full body suits that zip up the sides and treat the patients in some kind of plastic bubble. It's Almost like they don't care. They should be taking every precaution in this case. And every body involved should be in total quarantine for twice the incubation period. No one who has contact with someone infected should be able to get on a plane and travel the country. They better get on the ball before it's too late. Say a prayer for America.